

Tip Of The Spear Leadership Podcast
Michael Nasti
Welcome to the Tip Of The Spear Leadership Podcast. I’m your host Mike Nasti and our goal is to create a movement of strong competent leaders. Our guests will discuss how to lead and flourish by sharing their lessons learned and shared experiencesPlease follow and like on social media.
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Email: tip.of.the.spear.leadership@gmail.com
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Apr 18, 2024 • 1h 1min
#54 "The Back Of The Bay" with Ben McKinnon and Sam Shepherd (GA)
Summary
In this episode of the Tip of the Spear Leadership Podcast, Mike Nasti interviews Ben McKinnon and Sam Shepherd, both lieutenants in the fire service.
They discuss the importance of being the firefighter your kids think you are and the need for a strong foundation in your career. They emphasize the role of officers in setting a good example and being a leader both at work and at home.
The conversation also touches on the challenges of transitioning from firefighter to officer and the importance of allowing firefighters to make their own decisions and learn from their mistakes. In this conversation, Mike Nasti interviews Ben and Sam from the Back of the Bay podcast. They discuss the role of a fire department officer and the importance of being versatile and adaptable.
They emphasize the need for officers to be both doers and finessers, taking on different roles as needed. They also discuss the importance of creating a positive culture within the fire department and the impact of their podcast in promoting growth and improvement within the fire service. The conversation concludes with reflections on memorable firefighting experiences and advice for new officers.
Takeaways
Be the firefighter your kids think you are and set a good example for them and the community.
A strong foundation is crucial for a successful career in the fire service.
The transition from firefighter to officer can be challenging, but it's important to find a balance between being a boss and being one of the guys.
Allow firefighters to make their own decisions and learn from their mistakes.
Communication and repetition are key to effective leadership in the fire service. Fire department officers need to be versatile and adaptable, taking on different roles as needed.
Creating a positive culture within the fire department is crucial for growth and improvement.
The Back of the Bay podcast has been successful in promoting growth and motivating firefighters to be their best.
Memorable firefighting experiences can teach valuable lessons and help officers become better leaders.
New officers should focus on personal growth and invest time in making themselves and their crew better.
The Importance of a Strong Foundation
Finding the Balance Between Boss and Buddy Advice for New Fire Department Officers
The Impact of the Back of the Bay Podcast
"Be the firefighter your kids think you are."
"Set a good example for your crew and the community."
"The challenges of transitioning from firefighter to officer."
"You have to figure out where you fall into place in the scenario and the situation or the scenario and the job can be different."
"You know, it just, it just changes and it makes things so different."
"If you think that bugles equivalates to being able to just watch your crew work basically, then you're wrong."

Apr 10, 2024 • 1h 35min
#53 "Expect Fire" With Nick Martin (NC)
Summary
In this conversation, Chief Nick Martin discusses the importance of being combat ready and having a mindset of readiness and aggression on the fireground. He emphasizes the need for operational discipline and good discretion to balance the aggressive nature of firefighting. The conversation also touches on the impact of social media on the fire service and the need to critically evaluate information and check the credentials of those sharing it.
The conversation explores the importance of maintaining a strong fire service culture and mindset, focusing on the main goal of responding to fires and emergencies. It emphasizes the need for accountability, open communication, and continuous learning.
The hosts discuss the significance of owning mistakes, listening to feedback, and being open to different perspectives. They also highlight the importance of staying connected to the main mission of the fire department and avoiding complacency or disconnection from the operational aspects of the job.
Takeaways
Being combat ready and having a mindset of readiness and aggression is crucial on the fireground.
Operational discipline and good discretion are necessary to balance aggression and ensure effective firefighting.
Coordination and teamwork are essential for success on the fireground, and underrated positions such as the backup firefighter and wagon driver play crucial roles.
It is important to critically evaluate information shared on social media and check the credentials of those sharing it. Consistency and dependability are crucial in the fire service and on social media to build trust and credibility over time.
Being prepared and ready for any situation is essential in the fire service.
Officers should check each other and hold each other accountable to maintain a high level of performance and safety.
Respectful communication and addressing issues constructively are key to maintaining a positive work environment. Maintaining a strong fire service culture and mindset is crucial for success.
Accountability and open communication are essential in the fire service.
Owning mistakes and being open to feedback are important for personal and professional growth.
Staying connected to the main mission of the fire department is vital to avoid complacency.
Continuous learning and being open to different perspectives are key to improving as a firefighter.
Avoiding disconnection from the operational aspects of the job is crucial for effective leadership.
The Impact of Social Media on the Fire Service
The Role of Coordination and Teamwork on the Fireground Effective Communication and Issue Resolution
Building Trust and Credibility through Consistency Owning Mistakes and Being Open to Feedback
The Importance of Fire Service Culture and Mindset
"It's our job to come to the firehouse today, expecting we're going to go to a fire."
"We're laying out our lines. We're stretching the attack line. We're doing our three sixties. We're taking our tactical positions aggressively."
"Nothing is complete without every single piece of that puzzle."
"I'll just randomly get shit that pops in my head just out of nowhere."
"Over time, you can see who really has it squared away and who doesn't."
"I was taught always do 360 on single family homes, especially row homes and townhouses."
"You want to make sure that that's amongst a closed group and it's just to get it out of your system and it's not a public thing and it doesn't, uh, you know, put you up on a high horse."
"Are they really talking shit? Are they just talking about the situation and you know, Bill was an idiot because he did a blah, blah. Well, I mean, is Bill really an idiot because they may not be wrong."
"Shutting up and listening to these people get pissed off and letting them, and just kind of letting, letting the frustration burp, like just let them, let that stuff vent out."

Mar 26, 2024 • 49min
#52 "The Man In The Mirror" with Logan Broberg (FL)
Summary
This episode of the Tip the Spirit Leadership podcast focuses on the importance of physical fitness in the fire service. The conversation highlights the impact of physical fitness on both individual firefighters and officers. It emphasizes the need for firefighters to be able to throttle themselves and work at a pace that allows them to be efficient and effective on the fire ground. The discussion also touches on the benefits of training in gear and the role of physical fitness in preparing for career-defining moments. This conversation focuses on the importance of constant training and preparation, leadership, physical fitness, and being present in the moment. The hosts discuss the value of training in gear and share personal experiences that highlight the benefits of physical fitness in challenging situations. They emphasize the need for leaders to admit and address their deficiencies and the role of influencers in the fire service. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of self-discipline, leading by example, and building trust within a team.
Takeaways
Physical fitness is crucial in the fire service, as it directly impacts a firefighter's ability to perform their duties effectively.
Knowing how to throttle oneself and work at an efficient pace is essential for maintaining stamina and mental clarity on the fire ground.
Training in gear is important for firefighters to acclimate to the physical demands of the job and develop the necessary work capacity.
Physical fitness also plays a significant role in the performance of officers, as it allows them to lead by example and make informed decisions in high-stress situations.
Preparing for career-defining moments requires consistent physical fitness training and the ability to remain calm and focused under pressure. Constant training and preparation are crucial in the fire service, even during times of peace.
Leadership requires leading by example and being present in the moment.
Physical fitness is essential for firefighters, as it directly impacts their ability to perform their duties.
Building chemistry and trust within a team is vital for effective firefighting.
Admitting and addressing deficiencies is a sign of strength and can lead to personal and professional growth.
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Setting the Tone
02:17The Importance of Physical Fitness in the Fire Service
07:12Knowing How to Throttle Yourself
09:02The Role of Physical Fitness in Officer Duties
11:23The Impact of Physical Fitness on Officer Performance
16:22The Benefits of Training in Gear
22:36Moving with Purpose and Efficiency
25:07Preparing for Career Moments
26:21The Importance of Preparation in the Fire Service
26:49The Importance of Constant Training and Preparation
27:46Leadership and Leading by Example
29:30Leadership at the Company Level and the Human Level
31:33The Connection Between Physical Fitness and Leadership
33:02Building Chemistry and Trust within a Team
34:19Being Present in the Moment and Knowing Your Crew
36:18The Importance of Training in Gear
38:07Realizing the Benefits of Training in Gear
42:40The Value of Physical Fitness in Challenging Situations
44:55The Importance of Admitting and Addressing Deficiencies
46:09The Role of Influencers in the Fire Service
47:30Contacting Logan Broberg for Training and Consultation
49:04Closing Remarks

Mar 18, 2024 • 1h 52min
#51 " Fires That Made Me: 27 Years FDNY" with Lou Rufrano
Summary
In this episode, Lou Rufrano joins Mike Nasti to discuss the fires that made him as a leader in the fire service. They talk about the roles and training of squads, the importance of empowering and trusting your team, and the need for honesty and consistency as a leader. They also discuss the significance of building rapport and trust with your team and handling mistakes and taking responsibility. Lou shares his experiences of his first fire as a firefighter and his first real fire as an officer. The conversation explores the thrill and pressure of being a firefighter, the reality checks and challenges faced on the job, and the importance of trust, communication, and honesty within a team. It also highlights the value of addressing problems and disappointment, as well as navigating unfamiliar situations as a leader. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the need for strong leadership, accountability, and continuous learning in the firefighting profession. This conversation explores the transition from being an aggressive firefighter to a more cautious officer. The guest shares his personal experience of realizing his physical limitations and adjusting his tactics accordingly. He discusses the importance of doing a 360 and the challenges of balancing aggression and caution as an officer. The conversation also touches on the impact of experience on decision-making and the importance of trust and teamwork in the fire service. The guest emphasizes the need for officers to be true to themselves and to prioritize the well-being of their crew.
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Theme of the Episode
02:29Introduction to Squad Work
04:00Roles and Training of Squads
05:25Supporting Other Units as a Squad
06:25Empowering and Trusting Your Team
08:23Being Honest and Consistent as a Leader
11:43Building Rapport and Trust with Your Team
31:55Reflecting on Lessons Learned
32:57Lou's First Fire as a Firefighter
36:02Lou's First Real Fire Experience
39:00The Thrill of the Job
39:53Pressure as a New Firefighter
40:21Reality Check
42:48Fires That Bring You Back to Reality
43:30A Fire That Stuck Out
45:12The Strongest Test of Leadership
46:16The Importance of Trusting Your Team
48:59The Impact of Challenging Fires
53:47The Importance of Communication and Honesty
56:41Addressing Problems and Building Trust
01:01:56The Value of Calling People Out
01:07:45Handling Problems and Disappointment
01:12:02Navigating Unfamiliar Situations
01:14:25The Impact of Disappointment and Accountability
01:17:03Transitioning from being aggressive to being cautious
01:17:57The changing mindset of an officer
01:18:22The importance of doing a 360
01:19:20Balancing aggression and caution as an officer
01:20:20Gaining wisdom and seeing the big picture
01:21:08Understanding the role of the second due company
01:22:20Transitioning from being aggressive to gaining wisdom
01:23:20Recognizing physical limitations and adjusting tactics
01:24:22Knowing when it's time to retire
01:25:23Reflecting on the impact of experience on decision-making
01:26:18The importance of instinct and trust in the fire service
01:27:17Overcoming hesitation and anxiety as an officer
01:28:02The consequences of mask malfunctions
01:29:13The importance of checking equipment
01:30:31Trusting your crew and following their lead
01:32:02The fight or flight response in high-stress situations
01:33:23The importance of teamwork and communication
01:34:23The impact of intense firefighting experiences
01:37:26The instinct to protect and save others
01:38:16The importance of being true to yourself as an officer
01:40:33The cultural significance of being a firefighter in New York City
01:44:16The importance of being authentic and genuine as an officer
01:48:20The significance of being yourself and doing what's best for your crew
01:51:05Final thoughts and advice for officers

Mar 13, 2024 • 11min
The Front Seat Collective Episode 2: " Are You The Victim, Or The Reason?"
Summary
In this episode of Front Seat Collective, Mike Nasti discusses the importance of taking personal responsibility and recognizing one's role in various situations. He emphasizes the need to reflect on oneself before blaming others and to take ownership of mistakes. Nasti shares his experiences of denying reality and the importance of admitting shortcomings and weaknesses. He encourages seeking feedback and assessments from others, even if it may be difficult to hear. Nasti also highlights the significance of taking action to improve and demonstrating commitment and care towards those under one's command. The episode concludes with appreciation for the support and encouragement from listeners.
Takeaways
Always reflect on yourself before blaming others.
Take ownership of your mistakes and learn from them.
Admit your shortcomings and weaknesses to move forward.
Seek feedback and assessments from others to improve.
Demonstrate commitment and care towards those under your command.
Earn respect through your actions and maintain control.
Chapters
00:00 Recognizing Personal Responsibility
01:20 Taking Ownership of Mistakes
03:17 Humbling Experiences
04:15 Seeking Feedback and Assessments
05:43 Listening to Different Perspectives
06:11 Taking Action to Improve
07:04 Demonstrating Commitment and Care
08:01 Personal Initiative for Growth
09:01 Earning Respect through Actions
09:56 The Importance of Respect and Control
10:19 Appreciation and Support

Feb 29, 2024 • 11min
The Front Seat Collective Episode 1 " The Collective"
Summary
In this episode, host Mike Nasti introduces a new segment called The Front Seat Collective, where he shares his experiences and lessons learned as a company officer. He emphasizes the importance of being able to make decisions and the trust that firefighters have in their officers.
Mike discusses the challenges of transitioning from the back seat to the front seat and the need for competence and confidence in leadership. He highlights the collective knowledge and expertise of the team and the role of the officer in taking input and making decisions. The episode concludes with a message of appreciation for the listeners.
Takeaways
Company officers need to be able to make decisions and provide direction to their team.
Transitioning from the back seat to the front seat can be challenging, but trust and experience are key.
The collective knowledge and expertise of the team are valuable resources for the officer.
Taking input from others is important, but ultimately the officer must make the final decision.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:26 The Front Seat Collective
03:46 The Officer's Role
04:20 Feeling Inadequate
05:08 The Power of Collective Knowledge
06:01 Adapting and Evolving
07:00 The Strength of the Group
08:11 Taking Input and Making Decisions
09:26Insights from Instagram
10:25Appreciation for the Listeners
11:21Conclusion

Feb 26, 2024 • 1h 32min
#50 "Leadership in Charm City" With Chris Knight (Baltimore City)
Summary
In this episode, Mike Nasti interviews Chris Knight, a lieutenant in the Baltimore City Fire Department. They discuss the pride and sense of community that comes from working in your hometown, as well as the challenges and responsibilities of transitioning from a firefighter to an officer. Chris emphasizes the importance of preparation and continuous learning in the role of an officer. They also explore the significance of clear communication and decisive decision-making in the fire service. The conversation highlights the need for officers to listen to their crew while maintaining authority and building trust. The conversation explores the balance between aggression and policy in the fire service. It emphasizes the importance of following expectations and policies while also making necessary deviations when warranted. The speakers discuss the challenges of making unpopular decisions and the need for effective communication and teamwork. They also highlight the importance of learning from mistakes and the resiliency required in the fire service. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the adrenaline rush and focus that comes with responding to a first-in fire. In this conversation, Christopher Knight and Mike Nasti discuss the importance of preparation, confidence, and learning from mistakes in the fire service. They emphasize the need for leaders to make unpopular decisions and not let perception affect their decision-making. They also highlight the value of open communication, creating a culture of trust, and being a leader who leaves a positive legacy. The conversation concludes with a focus on being of value, managing conflict, and the power of consistency and fairness in leadership.
Takeaways
Working in your hometown instills a sense of pride and connection to the community.
Transitioning from firefighter to officer requires preparation and continuous learning.
Clear communication and decisive decision-making are crucial for effective leadership.
Officers should listen to their crew while maintaining authority and building trust. Balancing aggression and policy is crucial in the fire service.
Expectations and policies should be followed, but deviations may be necessary in certain situations.
Effective communication and teamwork are essential for making decisions and responding to incidents.
Learning from mistakes and maintaining resiliency are key traits for firefighters.
Responding to a first-in fire requires focus, quick thinking, and effective coordination. Preparation and confidence are key in the fire service.
Leaders should learn from their mistakes and build trust with their team.
Don't let perception affect your decision-making.
Open communication and a culture of trust are essential in a firehouse.
Being a leader means leaving a positive legacy and making those who come after you better.
Choose your battles wisely and manage conflict effectively.
Know your place as a leader and when to intervene or let things be.
Focus on the big stuff and be of value to your team.
Consistency, fairness, and building trust are crucial in leadership.
Being of value is more important than just achieving success.
Listen to your team and be prepared for any situation.
Being of value is an endless journey in leadership.

Feb 23, 2024 • 1h 7min
#49 "Culture: Instilled, Not Inherited" With Scott Heywood (Buffalo FD)
Summary
In this conversation, Scott Heywood, a Battalion Chief in the Buffalo Fire Department, discusses the importance of culture in the fire department and the role of company officers in creating a winning culture. He emphasizes the need for trust, respect, and a shared mindset among the crew. Scott also highlights the significance of effective communication and the ability to adapt to different situations. He shares insights on gaining control and trust as an officer, balancing aggression and safety, and dealing with conflict in a constructive manner. This conversation explores the bond and love among firefighters, the risk vs reward dilemma, the importance of trust and respect, understanding frustration in the heat of the battle, the role of trust in high-stress situations, the importance of trust and rapport in the fire service, learning from mistakes and self-reflection, creating a culture of trust and decision-making, the value of post-incident analysis, the impact of social media on fire service culture, promoting positive change at every level, the importance of transparency and communication, the need for adaptability in the fire service, the impact of personal commitment on leadership, the role of chiefs in promoting positive change, the power of individual actions in shaping culture.
Takeaways
Culture is crucial in the fire department and is instilled through shared values, mindset, and ideology.
Company officers play a vital role in creating and maintaining a winning culture within their crew.
Effective communication, trust, and respect are essential for a successful and cohesive firehouse culture.
Balancing aggression and safety is important to ensure the overall success of firefighting operations. The bond and love shared among firefighters is indescribable and creates a strong sense of brotherhood.
In high-stress situations, trust and respect are crucial for effective decision-making and teamwork.
Learning from mistakes and self-reflection are essential for personal and professional growth.
Creating a culture of trust and open communication is vital for a successful fire service.
Individual actions and commitment to positive change can shape the culture of a fire department.
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Background
02:53The Importance of Culture in the Fire Department
07:56Creating a Winning Culture
13:00Company Officer's Role in Culture
23:01Gaining Control and Trust as an Officer
28:01Balancing Aggression and Safety
33:00Dealing with Conflict and Communication
35:12The Bond and Love Among Firefighters
36:13The Risk vs Reward Dilemma
37:28The Importance of Trust and Respect
38:34Understanding Frustration in the Heat of the Battle
39:22The Role of Trust in High-Stress Situations
40:30The Importance of Trust and Rapport in the Fire Service
41:17Learning from Mistakes and Self-Reflection
42:14Creating a Culture of Trust and Decision-Making
44:26The Value of Post-Incident Analysis
45:50The Impact of Social Media on Fire Service Culture
48:19Promoting Positive Change at Every Level
50:14The Importance of Transparency and Communication
51:03The Need for Adaptability in the Fire Service
52:12The Role of Chiefs in Promoting Positive Change
53:33The Impact of Personal Commitment on Leadership
56:11Promoting Positive Change at Every Level
57:55The Importance of Discipline and Consistency
01:00:24The Role of Chiefs in Promoting Positive Change
01:02:08The Impact of Chiefs on Firefighters' Lives
01:04:05The Power of Individual Actions in Shaping Culture
01:06:09The Role of Chiefs in Promoting Positive Change
01:08:01 The Importance of Personal Actions in Shaping Culture

Feb 18, 2024 • 1h 20min
#48 "60 Years: A Reflection Of Leadership" With Butch Cobb (Jersey City FD)
Summary:
In this episode, retired Deputy Chief Butch Cobb shares his experiences and insights on leadership in the fire service. He emphasizes the importance of experience and the ability to translate knowledge into action. He discusses the challenges and expectations of being a company officer and highlights the significance of building trust and rapport with the team. He also emphasizes the role of company officers in training and the importance of open communication and problem-solving within the department. In this conversation, Chief Butch Cobb discusses the importance of learning from experienced firefighters and the value of their knowledge and expertise. He shares his own experiences as a company officer and a firefighter, highlighting the need for practical experience in addition to book knowledge. Chief Cobb also emphasizes the importance of being prepared and adaptable in challenging situations. He concludes by discussing his involvement in the pipe band and the role of extracurricular activities in the fire service.
Takeaways:
Experience is crucial in leadership, as it allows leaders to navigate unfamiliar situations and make informed decisions.
Translating knowledge into action is essential, as book knowledge may not always be applicable in real-life scenarios.
Building trust and rapport with the team is vital for effective leadership.
Company officers play a crucial role in training and should prioritize hands-on, practical training for their team.
Open communication and problem-solving are key to maintaining a positive and productive work environment in the fire service. Learning from experienced firefighters is crucial for gaining practical knowledge and insights that may not be found in books or training programs.
Being prepared and adaptable in challenging situations is essential for success as a firefighter and a leader.
Extracurricular activities, such as participating in a pipe band, can provide a sense of camaraderie and balance in the fire service.
Experience and practical knowledge should be valued and weighted more heavily in promotional exams and leadership positions.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction and Background
03:52Importance of Experience in Leadership
06:34 Translating Knowledge to Action
17:33 Building Trust and Rapport as a Company Officer
23:19 Expectations and Challenges of a Company Officer
29:41 The Role of Company Officers in Training
39:16 The Importance of Trust and Communication
43:35 The Importance of Learning from Experienced Firefighters
58:25 First Fire as a Company Officer
01:04:17 First Fire as a Firefighter
01:06:20 The Value of Experience in Leadership
01:11:51 The Role of Extracurricular Activities in the Fire Service
01:19:40Contact Information

Feb 6, 2024 • 1h 10min
#47 "Laugh At Yourself" With Mickey Farrell (FDNY)
Summary:
In this episode, Mike Nasti and Mickey Farrell discuss the importance of laughing at yourself in the fire service. They emphasize the role of humility and the ability to laugh at oneself in building camaraderie and teamwork. They also discuss the loss of fear and accountability in the fire service and how it can impact company integrity. The conversation highlights the challenges of working with rookies and the importance of effective communication at fires. Overall, the episode emphasizes the importance of maintaining discipline, controlling ego, and fostering a culture of accountability in the firehouse. In this conversation, Mickey and Mike discuss the importance of communication and giving clear instructions in the fire service. They also explore the role of coaching and mentoring in developing firefighters' skills and knowledge. They emphasize the significance of knowing your team and building company integrity. Additionally, they highlight the value of accountability and consistency in the fire service. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the importance of laughing at yourself and embracing humility.
Takeaways:
Humility and the ability to laugh at oneself are important qualities in the fire service.
Ball-breaking and humor play a role in building camaraderie and teamwork in the firehouse.
The loss of fear and accountability can have a negative impact on company integrity.
Working with rookies and unknown firefighters requires effective communication and adaptability.
Maintaining discipline and controlling ego are crucial for success in the fire service. Clear communication and giving clear instructions are crucial in the fire service.
Coaching and mentoring play a significant role in developing firefighters' skills and knowledge.
Knowing your team and building company integrity are essential for effective teamwork.
Accountability and consistency are key factors in achieving success in the fire service.
Laughing at yourself and embracing humility can help navigate challenging situations.
Chapters:
00:00Introduction and Pre-recording Fiasco
02:14The Importance of Laughing at Yourself
03:11Humility and Laughing at Yourself in the Fire Service
06:29The Role of Ball-Breaking and Humor in the Firehouse
10:31The Loss of Fear and Accountability in the Fire Service
16:11The Importance of Fear and Accountability in the Firehouse
18:26The Impact of Weaker Shifts on Company Integrity
22:20The Effect of Weaker Links on Company Standards
25:38Controlling Ego and Maintaining Discipline
27:14The Challenges of Working with Rookies and Details
31:22The Importance of Small Talk and Communication
38:56The Challenges of Working with Unknown Firefighters
39:38The Value of Experience and Mistakes
40:08The Importance of Verbal Communication at Fires
40:09The Importance of Communication and Giving Clear Instructions
46:22The Role of Coaching and Mentoring in the Fire Service
52:16Knowing Your Team and Building Company Integrity
59:10The Value of Accountability and Consistency
01:03:01The Importance of Laughing at Yourself and Humility