

Tip Of The Spear Leadership Podcast
Michael Nasti
Welcome to the Tip Of The Spear Leadership Podcast. I’m your host Mike Nasti and our goal is to create a movement of strong competent leaders. Our guests will discuss how to lead and flourish by sharing their lessons learned and shared experiencesPlease follow and like on social media.
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Email: tip.of.the.spear.leadership@gmail.com
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Aug 8, 2024 • 1h 7min
#63 "Fixing The Weak Link" with Josh Burchick (Forged and Unbroken Podcast)
Summary
The conversation focuses on the importance of physical fitness and mental resilience in the fire service and leadership. The hosts discuss the need for leaders to have actual knowledge, experience, and fitness level, as these cannot be faked. They emphasize the role of physical fitness in effective decision-making and leadership on the fire floor. The conversation also touches on the concept of being a North Star as a leader, providing consistency and reliability. The hosts share personal experiences and examples to highlight the benefits of physical fitness and the need to push oneself to redline in order to be prepared for the demands of firefighting. In this conversation, Josh and Mike discuss the importance of consistency, resilience, and mindset in the fire service. They emphasize the need for firefighters to prioritize their physical fitness and mental well-being in order to perform at their best on the fireground. They also explore the concept of creating a path in life through consistent effort and overcoming obstacles. The conversation touches on the role of leadership, the impact of stress on the body, and the benefits of embracing hardship and struggle. Overall, the conversation highlights the interconnectedness of personal and professional growth in the fire service.
Takeaways
Physical fitness and mental resilience are crucial in the fire service and leadership.
Leaders should prioritize their own physical fitness to be effective role models.
Consistency and reliability are key qualities of a good leader.
Physical fitness improves confidence, recovery, and performance during high-stress incidents.
Firefighters should train for the physical demands they may face on the job. Consistency and resilience are key in personal and professional growth.
Embrace hardship and challenges as opportunities for growth.
Develop a strong moral character and be true to oneself.
Create a path in the woods through consistent effort and determination.
Prioritize physical fitness, mental resilience, and personal growth to become effective leaders.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Buzzwords in the Fire Service
02:58 The Importance of Physical Fitness in Leadership
11:05 Being a North Star: Consistency and Reliability
20:33 Pushing to Redline: Training for the Demands of Firefighting
26:20 Physical Fitness and Effective Decision-Making
36:46 Introduction and the Impact of Parenting on Stress
37:30 The Importance of Physical Fitness and Overcoming Obstacles
38:22 The Connection Between Physical Fitness and Confidence
42:29 The Stress Bucket Analogy and Building Resilience
45:49 Embracing Hardship and the Importance of Morals
52:31 The Mindset of Overcoming Challenges
56:13 The Impact of Mindset on Performance
58:56 Consistency and the Creation of a Path in Life
01:04:27 Closing Remarks and Invitation for Further Discussion

Jul 31, 2024 • 1h 29min
#62 "Culture Building Initiatives" with Mike Dugan FDNY
Summary
In this conversation, Mike Dugan, a retired captain from the FDNY, shares his experiences and insights on leadership in the fire service. He discusses the importance of setting expectations and establishing a strong culture in the firehouse. He emphasizes the need for leaders to communicate their expectations clearly and provide guidance to new members. Mike Nasti, the host, highlights the significance of crew dynamics and the role of each member in ensuring success on the fireground. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of accountability, initiative, and teamwork in effective leadership. The principal themes of this conversation are fostering a culture of excellence, taking pride in one's job, embracing and learning from mistakes, and effective leadership. The speakers discuss the importance of creating a firehouse culture that encourages firefighters to do their best and strive for excellence. They share stories of how good leadership and teamwork can lead to successful outcomes, even in challenging situations. They also emphasize the importance of addressing issues such as substance abuse and poor performance, and the role of leaders in supporting their team members and helping them improve. In this final part of the conversation, Mike Dugan emphasizes the importance of being a leader who is willing to help and support their team. He discusses the need to find solutions when team members face challenges, such as finding someone to cover a shift or dealing with personal emergencies. Mike also highlights the importance of setting and enforcing rules, even if it means making unpopular decisions. He shares examples of situations where he had to make tough calls to protect the reputation and safety of the department. Mike and Mike Nasti also discuss the need for leaders to constantly learn and adapt to changes in the fire service. They stress the importance of being a student of the game and staying up-to-date with new knowledge and techniques. Lastly, they encourage leaders to surround themselves with people who are smarter and more skilled in certain areas, and to recognize and build on the strengths and weaknesses of their team.
Takeaways
Setting clear expectations is crucial in leadership, especially in the fire service.
Establishing a strong culture in the firehouse is essential for success.
Crew dynamics and teamwork play a significant role in achieving success on the fireground.
Accountability and initiative are key attributes for effective leadership in the fire service. Fostering a culture of excellence in the firehouse is crucial for success.
Taking pride in one's job and striving to do the best is essential.
Mistakes should be embraced as learning opportunities.
Effective leadership involves supporting and helping team members improve.
Addressing issues such as substance abuse and poor performance is important for maintaining a high standard of performance. Leaders should be willing to help and support their team members in times of need.
Enforcing rules and making tough decisions is necessary to protect the reputation and safety of the department.
Leaders should constantly learn and adapt to changes in the fire service.
Surrounding oneself with knowledgeable and skilled individuals can strengthen the team.
Recognizing and building on the strengths and weaknesses of the team is crucial for success.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
03:09 Setting Expectations and Building Culture
08:20 The Role of Accountability and Initiative
13:13 The Importance of Teamwork in Firefighting Operations
30:54 Fostering a Culture of Excellence
38:10 The Importance of Accountability
44:23 Navigating the Gray Areas
55:22 Leadership and Support
01:01:08 Approachable and Supportive Leadership
01:03:27 Setting Clear Expectations and Accountability
01:08:04 Continuous Learning for Effective Leadership

Jul 3, 2024 • 2h 12min
#62 "Fires That Made ME: 19 years Philly Fire" With Anthony Bompadre
Chief Anthony Bompadre shares his experiences and insights as a member of the Philadelphia Fire Department. He discusses the structure and organization of the department, including the number of members, platoons, divisions, and battalions. Chief Bompadre emphasizes the importance of trust and communication between officers and firefighters, as well as the need for officers to be adaptable and make decisions based on the specific circumstances of each fire. He also highlights the value of having consistent personnel on the fireground, such as the members of the rescue squad, who bring experience and a high work ethic. Chief Bompadre shares a personal story about a fire where he learned the importance of slowing down and taking in the bigger picture as a chief officer. The principal themes of this conversation include the importance of experienced firefighters and officers in setting the tone and leading by example, the significance of calmness and effective communication on the fire ground, the value of mentorship and coaching for new firefighters, the role of company officers in guiding and encouraging their crews, the need for accountability and owning mistakes, and the challenges and lessons learned by firefighters at different stages of their careers. In this part of the conversation, Mike and Anthony discuss the importance of being accountable as an officer and the need for officers to be both leaders and followers. They share stories of officers making mistakes and the lessons they learned from those experiences. They emphasize the importance of humility, communication, and standing up for your crew. They also discuss the challenges of dealing with difficult situations and the need for officers to make tough decisions while also being open to feedback and learning from their mistakes. In this final part of the conversation, Mike and Anthony discuss the importance of camaraderie and communication on the fireground. They share stories of how firefighters come together after a fire to laugh and make light of mistakes, emphasizing the need to let go of tension and move on. They also highlight the significance of officers who have the right mindset and experience to handle intense situations and own up to their mistakes. The conversation concludes with Anthony sharing his most memorable fire and the most challenging fire he has faced as an officer.
Takeaways
Trust and communication between officers and firefighters are crucial for effective fireground operations.
Officers should be adaptable and make decisions based on the specific circumstances of each fire.
Having consistent personnel on the fireground, such as members of the rescue squad, can provide valuable experience and a high work ethic.
Slowing down and taking in the bigger picture as a chief officer can help identify potential issues and make more informed decisions. Experienced firefighters and officers play a crucial role in setting the tone and leading by example on the fire ground.
Calmness and effective communication are contagious and essential for successful firefighting operations.
Mentorship and coaching from senior firefighters and officers are invaluable for the development of new firefighters.
Company officers have the responsibility to guide and encourage their crews, and should be open to accountability and owning their mistakes.
Firefighters at different stages of their careers face unique challenges and opportunities for growth. Officers need to be accountable for their actions and decisions
Being a good officer means being both a leader and a follower
Humility and open communication are key traits for effective officers
Officers should stand up for their crew and defend them when necessary
Making tough decisions and learning from mistakes are important aspects of being an officer Camaraderie and communication are crucial on the fireground.

Jun 24, 2024 • 1h 33min
#61 "Self Awareness" with Chief Larry Schultz (MD)
In this episode, Assistant Fire Chief Larry Schultz discusses the importance of rapport and communication between company officers and their battalion chiefs. He emphasizes the need for clear expectations and goals, as well as the ability to perform under pressure.
Chief Schultz highlights the difference between positional power and personal power, stating that personal power and wisdom gained through experience are more important in leadership. He also emphasizes the importance of consistency and boundaries in leadership, and the need for team cohesiveness and a family-like environment within the fire department.
The conversation explores the importance of communication and relationships between company officers and battalion chiefs in the fire department. It emphasizes the need for trust, mutual respect, and understanding. The officers should be aware of what is happening in the firehouse and address issues appropriately. It is crucial for officers to listen to their team, validate their concerns, and provide support.
Mistakes are inevitable, but owning up to them and learning from them is essential. The safety and welfare of the firefighters should always be the top priority for company officers. Building a strong team dynamic and fostering a caring environment is key to success. The importance of self-awareness and character in leadership is emphasized in this conversation.
Larry Schultz shares personal stories of mistakes he made as a fire officer and the lessons he learned from them. He highlights the need for self-awareness, knowing one's strengths and weaknesses, and understanding how one's attitudes and behaviors impact others. He also emphasizes the importance of being consistent, reliable, and selfless as a leader.
The conversation concludes with the reminder that good leaders are good people, and character is essential in leadership.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction and Importance of Rapport
08:33 The Power of Wisdom and Experience
23:36 Building Team Cohesiveness and a Family-Like Environment
29:12 Balancing Being Part of the Crew and Being the Boss
32:06 Building Trust and Communication
44:16 Being Mindful of Words and Actions
50:25 The Responsibility of the Company Officer
58:02 The Importance of Character in Leadership
01:06:11 The Importance of Self-Awareness
01:11:11 Character and Consistency
01:18:07 Operational Discipline
01:25:06 Building Trust and Rapport
01:31:06 Being a Good Human Being

Jun 13, 2024 • 1h 1min
#60 "Harden Yourself" with Capt. Josh Burchick (MD)
Summary
In this episode, Mike Nasti interviews Josh Burchick about the importance of physical fitness and emotional regulation in leadership. They discuss the impact of stress on the fire ground and the need for officers to be physically fit and emotionally controlled. They also emphasize the importance of experience and expertise in leadership and the need for a balance between physical fitness and emotional regulation.
The conversation highlights the role of physical fitness in managing stress and making effective decisions on the fire ground. In this conversation, Joshua Burchick and Mike Nasti discuss the importance of physical and mental fitness in the fire service. They emphasize the need for firefighters to train and prepare themselves for the physical and psychological demands of the job. They share personal experiences of being overwhelmed with stress on the fire ground and the importance of maintaining control and making sound decisions in high-pressure situations.
They also discuss the role of physical fitness in building resilience and the ability to endure discomfort. Overall, the conversation highlights the need for firefighters to be physically and mentally prepared to perform at their best in challenging situations.
Keywords
leadership, physical fitness, emotional regulation, stress management, fire ground, experience, expertise, fire service, physical fitness, mental fitness, stress management, decision making, resilience
Takeaways
Physical fitness and emotional regulation are crucial for effective leadership on the fire ground.
Experience and expertise are important factors in building trust and confidence as a leader.
Being physically fit helps manage stress and make better decisions in high-pressure situations.
A balance between physical fitness and emotional regulation is necessary for optimal performance on the fire ground. Physical and mental fitness are crucial for firefighters to perform at their best on the fire ground.
Training and preparation help firefighters build resilience and endure discomfort in high-stress situations.
Being physically fit allows firefighters to control their adrenaline response and make better decisions.
Understanding and managing stress can prevent panic and improve performance on the fire ground.
The fire service is a continuous challenge, and firefighters must always be ready for the next demanding situation.
Managing Stress and Making Effective Decisions on the Fire Ground
Experience and Expertise: Building Trust and Confidence as a Leader Building Resilience and Enduring Discomfort
The Continuous Challenge of the Fire Service
"Leadership, you need to be well-rounded."
"Physical fitness and emotional regulation are crucial for effective leadership."
"Experience and expertise are important factors in building trust and confidence as a leader."
"Everybody is going 100 miles an hour, right? And that's just the way it is."
"Slow and steady will win the race. You just have to figure out what your tempo is."
"I'm losing my capability to work. I'm losing my capability to work."
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Background
02:16The Importance of Physical Fitness and Emotional Regulation in Leadership
07:46Balancing Physical Fitness and Emotional Regulation for Effective Leadership
11:45Experience and Expertise: Building Trust and Confidence as a Leader
30:47Introduction
35:36Losing Capability to Work Under Stress
37:34Using Adrenaline for Good
46:44Managing Pace and Enduring Discomfort
53:04Sharpening Decision Making with Adrenaline
56:45Harden Yourself for Success
59:04Closing Remarks

May 29, 2024 • 1h 34min
#58 "That First Year" Ash Shapiro (CT)
Summary
The conversation delves into the experiences of a new Lieutenant at the Hartford Fire Department, reflecting on the challenges and transitions of the first year in a leadership role. It explores the importance of foundational experience, the role of observation and leadership, and the significance of effective communication and direction in the field. The conversation also touches on the transition from being a firefighter to an officer and the dynamics of leadership within the department. The conversation delves into the challenges and experiences of being a firefighter and an officer, emphasizing the importance of trust, boundaries, and effective communication within the team. It also explores the impact of personal experiences and emotions on leadership and team dynamics. The conversation delves into the experiences and challenges of transitioning from a firefighter to an officer role. It explores the nuances of leadership, crew dynamics, and the evolution of mindset and responsibilities. The discussion emphasizes the importance of open dialogue, adaptability, and the continuous learning process in the fire service
Takeaways
The importance of foundational experience in the fire service, particularly the role of the engine as the backbone of the department.
The significance of observation and paying attention to the actions and behaviors of others as a means of learning and developing leadership skills.
The value of effective communication and direction in providing context and clarity for tasks and responsibilities in the field.
The transition from being a firefighter to an officer and the need to establish a new dynamic and level of respect within the department. Building trust and setting boundaries are crucial in maintaining professional relationships within a firefighting team.
Effective communication and open, truthful conversations are essential for addressing challenges and building rapport within the team.
Personal experiences and emotions can impact leadership style and team dynamics, highlighting the need for self-awareness and empathy in leadership roles. Transitioning from firefighter to officer involves a shift in mindset and responsibilities.
Open dialogue and adaptability are crucial for effective leadership and crew dynamics.
Continuous learning and evolution of mindset are essential for success in the fire service.
Effective Communication and Direction in the Field
Navigating the First Year: Reflections of a New Lieutenant Navigating Trust and Boundaries in Firefighting
The Impact of Personal Experiences on Leadership Navigating the Transition: From Firefighter to Officer
Open Dialogue and Adaptability: Keys to Effective Leadership
"There's nothing like that first year, that first fire and those first headaches."
"The engine is the backbone of the fire service, right? So it's obviously the most important."
"You have to pay attention over the years. People will teach you without actually teaching you."
"You have to have discretion. Like you have to, you know, build that or establish that line. You, the officer, has to establish that line of this is the line of it."

May 13, 2024 • 56min
#57 "Command Under Fire" with Sam Villani (Maryland)
Summary
In this episode of the Tip the Spear Leadership Podcast, Mike Nasti interviews Sam Villani, Battalion Fire Chief of the Montgomery County Fire Department in Maryland. They discuss the importance of building relationships with company officers and the value of time and experience in the fire service. They also touch on the superficiality of judging firefighters based on their gear and the importance of focusing on actions and performance. They emphasize the need for dependability, consistency, and professionalism in leadership roles, and the significance of creating a balance between being close with your team while maintaining a level of separation as an officer. In this conversation, Sam and Mike discuss the importance of effective communication and building rapport in the fire service. They emphasize the need for supervisors to be proactive in addressing problems and providing solutions, while also distinguishing between information that is need to know, good to know, and nice to know. They also highlight the significance of supporting and helping colleagues who may be going through personal challenges. The conversation touches on the importance of humility, seeking guidance from mentors, and the ultimate goal of supporting firefighters in their operational roles. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of leadership and communication skills in the fire service.
Keywordsfire service, leadership, relationships, time and experience, gear, actions and performance, dependability, consistency, professionalism, balance, communication, rapport, problem-solving, leadership, support, humility, mentorship, operational roles
Takeaways
Building relationships with company officers is crucial in the fire service
Time and experience are important factors in developing leadership skills
Judging firefighters based on their gear is superficial and does not reflect their abilities
Dependability, consistency, and professionalism are key qualities for leaders
Creating a balance between being close with your team and maintaining a level of separation is important Effective communication involves providing supervisors with the necessary information to make informed decisions, distinguishing between need to know, good to know, and nice to know information.
Building rapport and trust with colleagues is crucial for effective communication and support.
Supervisors should be proactive in addressing problems and providing solutions, while also being open to feedback and input from their team members.
Supporting colleagues who may be going through personal challenges is important, and supervisors should create an environment where individuals feel comfortable seeking help.
Humility is a valuable trait for leaders, and seeking guidance from mentors can help in personal and professional growth.
The ultimate goal of leadership in the fire service is to support firefighters in their operational roles and ensure their safety and success.
Building Relationships with Company Officers
The Value of Time and Experience in the Fire Service The Importance of Proactive Supervision
Building Rapport and Trust with Colleagues
"Building relationships with company officers is crucial"
"Time and experience are important factors in developing leadership skills"
"Judging firefighters based on their gear is superficial"
"Here's my problem, here's my solution. I'm coming to you, this is what I wanna try."
"Good to know, need to know, nice to know."
"It's being able to communicate, facilitate action and then build the rapport."

Apr 30, 2024 • 1h 14min
#56 "Leadership From The City Of Brotherly Love" With Deputy Chief Anthony Bompadre (Philly Fire)

Apr 26, 2024 • 1h 18min
#55 "Show Them The Way" with Anthony Rowett (Port City Fire Training)
Summary
The conversation revolves around the importance of leadership and accountability in the fire service. The hosts discuss the need for officers to identify and address issues within their crew, as well as the importance of creating an environment where firefighters feel comfortable admitting their mistakes and asking for help. They also emphasize the role of senior firefighters in mentoring and guiding younger firefighters, and the importance of separating personal opinions from professional standards.
The conversation highlights the need for continuous learning and improvement, and the value of allowing firefighters to work together and develop their skills. In this conversation, Mike Nasti and Anthony Rowett discuss the importance of leadership and trust in the fire service. They emphasize the need for officers to let their crew members take the lead and make decisions, even if they already know the answer.
They also highlight the significance of being supportive of the primary mission and the role of officers in providing guidance and making decisions. The conversation touches on the impact of mistakes and the importance of owning them and learning from them. They also discuss the value of training and the development of trust and confidence among team members.
Takeaways
Leadership is crucial in the fire service, and officers must be able to identify and address issues within their crew.
Creating an environment where firefighters feel comfortable admitting their mistakes and asking for help is essential for growth and improvement.
Senior firefighters play a vital role in mentoring and guiding younger firefighters, helping them develop their skills and passion for the job.
It is important to separate personal opinions from professional standards and focus on the overall goal of serving and protecting the community.
Continuous learning and improvement are necessary in the fire service, and firefighters should be open to seeking guidance and learning from others.
Allowing firefighters to work together and develop their skills in a supportive environment fosters camaraderie and prepares them for future leadership roles. Officers should let their crew members take the lead and make decisions, even if they already know the answer.
Supporting the primary mission and providing guidance and decision-making are crucial roles for officers.
Mistakes are inevitable, and it's important to own them, learn from them, and move forward.
Training and development are essential for building trust and confidence among team members.
Leadership is about being present, being yourself, and being supportive of the collective success.
Creating an Environment of Growth and Improvement
Continuous Learning and Improvement in the Fire Service Letting Crew Members Take the Lead
The Value of Training and Development
"You can't be a warrior if you act like a bitch."
"Don't just tell them, show them the way."
"Invest in the next generation."
"When those guys are correcting each other or talking about something or working through something or training or, you know, like, Hey, what do you think? How would you run this building with boom, you know, X, Y, and Z. And in my mind, I know the answer in my mind. I'm like, I know exactly what I would do for that."
"You don't always have to have the answer. You don't always have to have a story. You don't always have to have an example. You don't always have to have been the guy that's been there, done that."
"You're one of the most reliable guys, right? You know, you're not always jumping out with every single solution for every single problem, but they come to you, you have a solution for the problem with confidence, with experience, with knowledge, right?"

Apr 18, 2024 • 1h 1min
#54 "The Back Of The Bay" with Ben McKinnon and Sam Shepherd (GA)
Summary
In this episode of the Tip of the Spear Leadership Podcast, Mike Nasti interviews Ben McKinnon and Sam Shepherd, both lieutenants in the fire service.
They discuss the importance of being the firefighter your kids think you are and the need for a strong foundation in your career. They emphasize the role of officers in setting a good example and being a leader both at work and at home.
The conversation also touches on the challenges of transitioning from firefighter to officer and the importance of allowing firefighters to make their own decisions and learn from their mistakes. In this conversation, Mike Nasti interviews Ben and Sam from the Back of the Bay podcast. They discuss the role of a fire department officer and the importance of being versatile and adaptable.
They emphasize the need for officers to be both doers and finessers, taking on different roles as needed. They also discuss the importance of creating a positive culture within the fire department and the impact of their podcast in promoting growth and improvement within the fire service. The conversation concludes with reflections on memorable firefighting experiences and advice for new officers.
Takeaways
Be the firefighter your kids think you are and set a good example for them and the community.
A strong foundation is crucial for a successful career in the fire service.
The transition from firefighter to officer can be challenging, but it's important to find a balance between being a boss and being one of the guys.
Allow firefighters to make their own decisions and learn from their mistakes.
Communication and repetition are key to effective leadership in the fire service. Fire department officers need to be versatile and adaptable, taking on different roles as needed.
Creating a positive culture within the fire department is crucial for growth and improvement.
The Back of the Bay podcast has been successful in promoting growth and motivating firefighters to be their best.
Memorable firefighting experiences can teach valuable lessons and help officers become better leaders.
New officers should focus on personal growth and invest time in making themselves and their crew better.
The Importance of a Strong Foundation
Finding the Balance Between Boss and Buddy Advice for New Fire Department Officers
The Impact of the Back of the Bay Podcast
"Be the firefighter your kids think you are."
"Set a good example for your crew and the community."
"The challenges of transitioning from firefighter to officer."
"You have to figure out where you fall into place in the scenario and the situation or the scenario and the job can be different."
"You know, it just, it just changes and it makes things so different."
"If you think that bugles equivalates to being able to just watch your crew work basically, then you're wrong."