#65 "Power Of The Backstep Firefighter" With Jeff Eckert (PA)

Summary:

In this episode, Mike Nasti interviews Jeff Eckert from the Philadelphia Fire Department, discussing his extensive experience in firefighting, the importance of leadership, and the dynamics between officers and backstep firefighters. They explore the challenges faced in the Philadelphia fire service, the significance of training and continuous learning, and the need for effective decision-making and command presence in high-pressure situations. The conversation emphasizes the value of respect, culture, and teamwork in creating a successful firefighting environment. In this conversation, Mike Nasti and Jeff Eckert discuss the importance of embracing mistakes, the value of listening to experienced firefighters, and the realities of training and mentorship in the fire service. They emphasize the need for respect and open-mindedness in learning, the impact of social media on firefighting culture, and the significance of mastering the basics in training. The discussion also touches on leadership dynamics and the challenges faced in the field, highlighting the importance of teamwork and communication

Takeaways:

• The Iron Man concept refers to firefighters who stay on watch all night to allow others to rest.
• Sitting watches is a tradition in Philadelphia, but it can be exhausting.
• Leadership in firefighting is crucial, especially in busy departments.
• Backstep firefighters often carry the weight of operations, making them essential to success.
• Promotions should be based on experience and competence, not just time served.
• Creating a positive culture in the firehouse is vital for morale and efficiency.
• Training should be continuous and can happen in various situations, not just drills.
• Officers must make decisions confidently, even when unsure.
• Owning mistakes is important for credibility and respect as a leader.
• Communication and teamwork are key to effective firefighting operations. Mistakes are part of the learning process; embrace them.
• Listening to experienced firefighters can prevent poor decisions.
• Training should reflect real-life scenarios and challenges.
• Respect and open-mindedness are crucial in the fire service.
• Social media can influence firefighting culture positively and negatively.
• Leadership in firefighting requires collaboration and respect.
• Mastering the basics is essential for success in firefighting.
• Firefighters should prioritize human life over property in emergencies.
• The importance of mentorship in developing future firefighters.
• A strong team dynamic can overcome weak leadership.

• The Iron Man of Firefighting: Jeff Eckert's Journey
• Leadership Lessons from the Philadelphia Fire Department

• "Bigger doesn't mean better."
• "You have to own your mistakes."
• "We all make mistakes, so be it."

Sound Bites Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Jeff Eckert and His Background

05:43 Operational Challenges in Philadelphia Fire Department

11:23 The Importance of Culture in Fire Departments

17:09 Training and Experience in Firefighting

22:58 The Impact of Union Policies on Firefighters

31:02 The Power of 'What If' Questions

36:53 The Importance of Humility in Leadership

43:21 Owning Mistakes as a Leader

48:37 Balancing Command and Collaboration

53:26 The Role of Instructors in Shaping Culture

01:07:08 Understanding Firefighter Culture and Leadership

01:12:02 The Reality of Search and Rescue

01:16:53 Team Dynamics in Firefighting

01:25:21 The Role of Officers in Fire Situations

01:35:55 The Impact of Culture on Firefighting