

The Dov Baron Show
Dov Baron
The Dov Baron Show: Unmasking Hidden Truths for High-Profile Deep Thinkers
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
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Dec 7, 2022 • 43min
Part2/2 John Spencer: Soulless Orcs vs. Soulful Warriors
On November 9, 1989, the Cold War began to thaw with the fall of the Berlin Wall, and we all breathed a sigh of relief. Then on February 24, 2022, Russia once again invaded Ukraine. Assuming things would go the same way it did in February and March 2014, when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea from Ukraine. But it didn't go that way. Many worry about the implications of that war and whether we should just butt out. Is this war different than what we've seen before? If so, why? According to our guest, a good part of the answer is "Urban Warfare" and "meaning." He believes that Urban Warfare can teach us much about modern leadership. John Spencer is considered by many to be the world's leading expert on urban warfare. He is also a radical thought leader, experienced war veteran, team builder, and creative mind. John is an award-winning scholar, professor, author, combat veteran, and internationally recognized expert and advisor on urban warfare and other military-related topics. He currently serves as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies with the Madison Policy Forum. John recently served as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, Co-Director of the Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project podcast. He is the author of several books, Connected Soldiers: Life, Leadership, and Social Connections in Modern War and Understanding Urban Warfare. The second was written for Ukraine civilians. That book went viral and has helped hundreds of thousands of civilians defeat the world's second-biggest military. Website https://www.johnspenceronline.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/JohnSpencerOnline https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnwspencer2018 https://www.instagram.com/spencerguard Part 2) Soulless Orcs vs. Soulful Warriors Who Will Win and Why Fact Not Opinions of What's Really Happening Exposing The Truth about The Butchers of Bucha Excuse Me, China, Can You Lend Us Some Supplies Taking Out 80% of The Attack Weapons The Impact of Russian and Ukrainian Conscription Soulless Orcs Vs Soulful Warriors Why Leadership is Urban Warfare What Truly Defines Winning and Losing Why Ukraine Already Won the War Back in April 2022 Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Dec 4, 2022 • 34min
Part 1/1: John Spencer: Urban Warfare and Leadership
On November 9, 1989, the Cold War began to thaw with the fall of the Berlin Wall, and we all breathed a sigh of relief. Then on February 24, 2022, Russia once again invaded Ukraine. Assuming things would go the same way it did in February and March 2014, when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea from Ukraine. But it didn't go that way. Many worry about the implications of that war and whether we should just butt out. Is this war different than what we've seen before? If so, why? According to our guest, a good part of the answer is "Urban Warfare" and "meaning." He believes that Urban Warfare can teach us much about modern leadership. John Spencer is considered by many to be the world's leading expert on urban warfare. He is also a radical thought leader, experienced war veteran, team builder, and creative mind. John is an award-winning scholar, professor, author, combat veteran, and internationally recognized expert and advisor on urban warfare and other military-related topics. He currently serves as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies with the Madison Policy Forum. John recently served as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, Co-Director of the Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project podcast. He is the author of several books, Connected Soldiers: Life, Leadership, and Social Connections in Modern War and Understanding Urban Warfare. The second was written for Ukraine civilians. That book went viral and has helped hundreds of thousands of civilians defeat the world's second-biggest military. Website https://www.johnspenceronline.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/JohnSpencerOnline https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnwspencer2018 https://www.instagram.com/spencerguard Part 1) Winning the War for Meaning Who Are You and What Will You Stand For Why the 2022 invasion of Ukraine is so Different than the 2014 invasion When Grandfather, Young Men, Bankers, and Builders Stand Together Answering The Question: Should the US be Backing Ukraine Is Ukraine Really Russian #Putin, Changing the Rules of #War Re-establishing in The Soviet Union Putin's Emotional Source Code What Beat POWER Every Single Time! When Defence Becomes Offence Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 30, 2022 • 33min
2/2 Generating Mission-Driven Corporate Loyalty: Willian Toti
Thank You for Your Service. You’re Fired! William Toti, US Navy (Retired) We'd all agree that VETs deserve to be treated with respect and assistance upon their return. But what happens when you give them a job in your efforts to help and then have to say, thank you for your service, we have to fire you? Our guest for the next two episodes is Captain William Toti, US Navy (Retired). William is the author of, From CO to CEO: A Practical Guide for Transitioning from Military to Industry Leadership, which is turning conventional wisdom about hiring veterans on its head. He says that we need to Stop Saying, "Thank you for your service." Why? Well, that's what we're going to find out. William Toti (Retired), was the captain of nuclear submarine USS Indianapolis and commodore of submarine squadron 3. After leaving the Navy and joining the world of business and industry, he eventually spent fifteen years climbing the corporate ladder to become Sparton Corporation's CEO. Website https://williamtoti.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/WilliamTotiAuthor https://twitter.com/william_toti https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamtoti/ https://www.instagram.com/williamtoti/ Part 2) Mission-Driven Corporate Loyalty The Context of Conversation, VET to VET The Cost of Doing What's Right Bravery Without a Weapon What it Means to be a Company Man Why VET Employees Need a Mission Bragging about How Many VETs, You Employed is The Wrong Metrix Why Military Longevity Translates to Less Than 2 Years in Corporate What is Impedance Mismatch How To Reboot Your VET Talent Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 27, 2022 • 30min
1/2 Captain William Toti (retired) Thank You For Your Service... You're Fired
Thank You for Your Service. You’re Fired! William Toti, US Navy (Retired) We'd all agree that VETs deserve to be treated with respect and assistance upon their return. But what happens when you give them a job in your efforts to help and then have to say, thank you for your service, we have to fire you? Our guest for the next two episodes is Captain William Toti, US Navy (Retired). William is the author of, From CO to CEO: A Practical Guide for Transitioning from Military to Industry Leadership, which is turning conventional wisdom about hiring veterans on its head. He says that we need to Stop Saying, "Thank you for your service." Why? Well, that's what we're going to find out. William Toti (Retired), was the captain of nuclear submarine USS Indianapolis and commodore of submarine squadron 3. After leaving the Navy and joining the world of business and industry, he eventually spent fifteen years climbing the corporate ladder to become Sparton Corporation's CEO. Website https://williamtoti.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/WilliamTotiAuthor https://twitter.com/william_toti https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamtoti/ https://www.instagram.com/williamtoti/ Part 1) "Thank You for Your Service, You're Fired!" Military Lies Vets are Sold, and the Devastating Costs Why Cheap is Expensive in The Lives of VETs Training for Transition... A lack of Accountability Community, Belonging, and Suicide When a Government or an Industry is Reactive Leadership Development for Military Leaders Having The Most Difficult Conversations Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 23, 2022 • 1h 4min
Pt 1of1 Stan Slap: Tough Times - Tougher Teams!
Tough Times - Tougher Teams! Stan Slap Everyone is on edge, the looming recession, warring nations, The #GreatResignation, #QuietQuitting and any number of other issues. What to do, well according to our guest, when the going gets tough, you better have built tough teams. . . . . . Stan Slap. Stan is a New York Times bestselling author and a renowned thought leader in achieving maximum commitment from the three specific cultures that are deciding your company's success! He knows how these cultures work and how to get them to work for you. Stan Slap says: Anyone who considers this soft stuff is clinically insane. It is the stuff of hardcore business results! Stan is the CEO of SLAP, the international consulting company that has––for 24 years, in 44 countries–– countries––achieved many billions of dollars in performance improvement for many of the world’s most successful and demanding companies. He's a NYT multiple bestselling author of “Bury My Heart at Conference Room B” and most recently: Under the Hood: Fire Up and Fine-Tune Your Employee Culture. Find out more about (guest) Stan Slap http://SLAPcompany.com Twitter https://twitter.com/stanslap Instagram https://www.instagram.com/stan_slap/ Stan@SLAPcompany.com . . . . . . Because Unified meaning is the one single monolithic difference between mediocrity and greatness for all individuals and companies. Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 20, 2022 • 38min
Part 1 of 1) Dr Chris Dickson: The Sleep Sciences
The Sleep Sciences In recent years, even workaholics have been trying to understand the importance of Sleep and if it's possible to get less of it while doing more. Is sleep as important as we think or even more important than we imagine? More than 35% of Americans get less than seven hours of Sleep per night, and 1 in 20 has fallen asleep at the wheel. Do 7+ hours of sleep really matter? Our guest for this episode is the Chairman of Cambridge Sleep Sciences, Dr. Chris Dickson. Dr. Dickson has a background in medical devices, clinical software, aviation, occupational medicine, pre-hospital emergency care, and general medical practice. Website https://cambridgesleepsciences.com https://www.sleephub.com/ Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-dickson-2bb00318/?originalSubdomain=uk Insta: #cambridgesleepsciences In this episode: When the Doctors Advising You About Sleep are Sleep Deprived Airline Research into the Effects of Jet-Lag Lack of Sleep and Executive Decision Making What A difference Just One Hour Can Make Is it better to sleep or stay awake on planes? Sleep Hygiene, what is it? Why You Need to Stop Laying There CBT treatment for lack of Sleep Pandemic Sleep Did We Get a Chance to Catch up? The Different Purposes of Sleep Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 16, 2022 • 39min
2/2 Compound Collaboration: Peter Williams
Productive Accidents with Peter Williams In a world where we're overworked and overstressed, it's become in vogue to get good at saying "no." As much as that makes sense, we must also consider the other side, which is getting good at saying "Yes" and getting out of our comfort zones. . But how do you sort out what to say yes to without going into overwhelm? Additionally, what if saying yes is the pathway to both innovation and something our guest calls, Productive Accidents? . Our guest for the next two episodes is Peter Williams. Peter grew up in rural Australia on a BMX and skateboard and went on to have a global career in finance. He is a serial volunteer serving on the Music for Life International boards, based in New York; Resolve Foundation, based in Hong Kong; and Treasury & Innovation Professional at Citi. Peter is an Advisory Board Chair, Author, Speaker, and Podcast Host. His second book, Productive Accidents, gives us a framework for innovation that can also turn our lives into an evolving adventure. Peter, his wife, and four children have been living in Asia since 2001. Website http://www.peterbwilliams.com • LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/peter-b-williams-645b2a7 Book/audiobook: www.amazon.com/Productive-Accidents-Playbook-Professional-Adventure/dp/B09GWHRS31 NGO’s to discover and celebrate: • Resolve Foundation (HK): www.resolvehk.org • Music For Life International (NY): www.music4lifeinternational.org Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-b-williams-645b2a7 https://mobile.twitter.com/peterbwilliams https://www.instagram.com/productive.accidents Part 2) Compound Collaboration How To Meet The Most Interesting People Creative communities — including TEDx, PechaKucha, & Creative Mornings "Baller Dinners" for Humble and Generous Leaders The Benefits of Unrelated Industries The Impact of an Introvert in a Room with 100 People Keep Doing Everything You Enjoy If You Don’t Write it Down, it Didn’t Happen Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 13, 2022 • 26min
1/2 Peter B Williams: Productive Accidents
Productive Accidents with Peter Williams In a world where we're overworked and overstressed, it's become in vogue to get good at saying "no." As much as that makes sense, we must also consider the other side, which is getting good at saying "Yes" and getting out of our comfort zones. . But how do you sort out what to say yes to without going into overwhelm? Additionally, what if saying yes is the pathway to both innovation and something our guest calls, Productive Accidents? . Our guest for the next two episodes is Peter Williams. Peter grew up in rural Australia on a BMX and skateboard and went on to have a global career in finance. He is a serial volunteer serving on the Music for Life International boards, based in New York; Resolve Foundation, based in Hong Kong; and Treasury & Innovation Professional at Citi. Peter is an Advisory Board Chair, Author, Speaker, and Podcast Host. His second book, Productive Accidents, gives us a framework for innovation that can also turn our lives into an evolving adventure. Peter, his wife, and four children have been living in Asia since 2001. Website http://www.peterbwilliams.com • LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/peter-b-williams-645b2a7 Book/audiobook: www.amazon.com/Productive-Accidents-Playbook-Professional-Adventure/dp/B09GWHRS31 NGO’s to discover and celebrate: • Resolve Foundation (HK): www.resolvehk.org • Music For Life International (NY): www.music4lifeinternational.org Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-b-williams-645b2a7 https://mobile.twitter.com/peterbwilliams https://www.instagram.com/productive.accidents Part 1) Productive Accidents The Drive to Collaborate Growing Up Rural - Going International What Are Productive Accidents The Power of Diverse Networks The Importance of Putting Yourself at Risk How Innovation Actually Works The Gift of Volunteering Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 9, 2022 • 30min
2/2: Creating Systems for Doing the Impossible: Norman Bacal
Our guest for the next two episodes is Normal Bacal What is in front of you that you may secretly believe you can't do? Imagine yourself on the banks of a river you've never seen before; you don't know what formed that river, where the twists and turns are, or whether it will be turbulent or smooth waters ahead. Leadership requires putting our boat in the water, frequently with little information. We must constantly assess where we are going, where we've been, and where we are. Charting your course down the river of life, the future of business, and leadership is challenging. Will we even get our boat in the water? Will we spend our time looking back at where we came from, or maybe we'll ignore the past and hold our eyes on the prize? Norman Bacal knows all about this because he had it all. He worked his way from obscurity to the top of his profession—a Canadian film and television finance specialist for 25 years, representing Canadian producers and major film studios. He went on to build an iconic Canadian law firm home to two retired Canadian prime ministers. In 2014, instead of retiring, he rewired himself as a consultant to professional firms; he became a motivational speaker and author. However, something happened and Norm fell fast and hard. Once he processed the pain and the hurt, Norm applied techniques that rewired who he had believed he was on his journey to success. Norm is living proof that with the right skills, tools, and mindset, you do what terrifies you and be successful in it. Website https://normanbacal.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/normanbacal https://twitter.com/BacalNorman https://www.linkedin.com/in/norman-bacal-16772a23 https://www.instagram.com/normansbacalauthor Part 2) Systems for Doing the Impossible If I knew Then, What I Know I'd Have Been Paralyzed The System for Fiction Writing Developing a System for Doing the Impossible The Dopamine Hit of Doing What's Hard Finding Happiness in the Smallest Success Excuse Me, Your Family Member, Lauren Bacal Owes Taxes What Happens When We Live By the 3 Cs of Culture, Communication, and Consistency. Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 6, 2022 • 37min
1/2 Norman Bacal: I'm Never Going To Do That ...Until I do!
Our guest for the next two episodes is Normal Bacal What is in front of you that you may secretly believe you can't do? Imagine yourself on the banks of a river you've never seen before; you don't know what formed that river, where the twists and turns are, or whether it will be turbulent or smooth waters ahead. Leadership requires putting our boat in the water, frequently with little information. We must constantly assess where we are going, where we've been, and where we are. Charting your course down the river of life, the future of business, and leadership is challenging. Will we even get our boat in the water? Will we spend our time looking back at where we came from, or maybe we'll ignore the past and hold our eyes on the prize? Norman Bacal knows all about this because he had it all. He worked his way from obscurity to the top of his profession—a Canadian film and television finance specialist for 25 years, representing Canadian producers and major film studios. He went on to build an iconic Canadian law firm home to two retired Canadian prime ministers. In 2014, instead of retiring, he rewired himself as a consultant to professional firms; he became a motivational speaker and author. However, something happened and Norm fell fast and hard. Once he processed the pain and the hurt, Norm applied techniques that rewired who he had believed he was on his journey to success. Norm is living proof that with the right skills, tools, and mindset, you do what terrifies you and be successful in it. Website https://normanbacal.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/normanbacal https://twitter.com/BacalNorman https://www.linkedin.com/in/norman-bacal-16772a23 https://www.instagram.com/normansbacalauthor Part 1) Never Going to Do That...Until I Do! Putting Pain on Paper Transforming the Introverted Teen When the Man They Called "The Demon" (Gene Simmons, lead singer of Kiss) Give an Endorsement Surprising Lessons from The Death Bed of a Humble Man Fight The Current, Go with The Flow, or Something Better What to Do When Something is Missing, and No One Knows What It Is The Most Important Strategy for Dealing with Over Whelming Change Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices