

The Dov Baron Show
Dov Baron
The Dov Baron Show: Unmasking Hidden Truths for High-Profile Deep Thinkers
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
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Mar 12, 2023 • 36min
Legend! Part 1of2: John Perkins "Confessions of An Economic Hitman, The 3rd Wave Rise of The Dragon"
Remember when the US economically ruled the world? You may already be pushing back, saying, "we still do". Are you sure about that? Is the US still the #1 investor or the #1 trading partner worldwide? If you said yes, strap yourself in because you're in for a shock. If it's not the US, who is it, and what does it mean for the rest of the world? That's where we're going for the next two episodes with our guest and returning champion, John Perkins, AKA The Economic Hitman. In John Perkins's latest book, he states that we are at the beginning of the third wave of Economic Hitmen strategies rolling out across the world. If you think this is some conspiracy theory, consider that this is the work of a man with an intimate insider pass and the highest possible credentials. John Perkins is an economist, author, and activist. As Chief Economist at a major consulting firm, John was an advisor to the World Bank, UN, IMF, Fortune 500 corporations, and leaders of countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, and US government agencies. His eleven books have been published in more than 35 languages and sold over 2 million copies, including Confessions of an Economic Hitman, Touching the Jaguar, and Shapeshifting was on The New York Times bestseller list for over 70 weeks. John’s latest book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, 3rd Edition, describes China's economic hitman strategy and the need to transform a failing, degenerative death economy into a regenerative life economy. John Perkins has lectured at more than 50 universities and has been featured on ABC, NBC, CNN, Time, The New York Times, Elle, Der Spiegel, and many others. He became a founder of the non-profits Dream Change and The Pachamama Alliance. In his latest book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, 3rd Edition, he describes the unforgivable acts he committed as chief economist at a major US consulting firm and the crimes executed by the CIA assets, known as jackals, who stood behind him. John exposes the Economic Hit Men strategy" that took on new and ominous proportions after China entered the fray in the early 2000s. He then offers a plan for converting the resulting failed, degenerative death economy into a regenerative life economy and how we can help make that happen. Website https://johnperkins.org Social Media https://www.facebook.com/johnperkinsauthor https://twitter.com/jperkinsauthor https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnperkinsauthor https://www.instagram.com/jperkinsauthor Part 1) The Four Pillars of Global Control The 3 Different Strategies of Economic Hitmen How The IMF and others in Partnership with The US Robs the Poor to Increase GDP 700 million Reasons why Most None Americans Trust China China and The Investment in Low Carbon Emissions America Vs. China Death Race The Long-Term Costs of Comfort Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mar 8, 2023 • 40min
Part2of2: Bjorn Ihler: Becoming Radically Non-Destructive
Can Listening CRUSH Extremism and Generate Radical Unity? In what appears to be a profoundly divided world, we must discover the meaningful and profound difference we can make. Radicalization is real! We can see it across political lines. And for most people, it's something terrible we speak about as a passing news story. However, what happens when radicalization goes from being on the news to becoming something in your local community or, worse still, something that becomes real within your own family? It's only when these issues become personal, instead of quickly judging these radicals by whatever disparaging comment we might throw around, we can consider the complexity of the human being. When radicalism makes its way into your community or family, you will find yourself asking, "Why" would anyone go down that road, and what can we do to bring someone locked into what can be very destructive behaviors home? Well, that's where we’re going with our guest for the next two episodes, Bjørn Ihler. Over the past decade, Bjørn has been one of the leading voices in the global efforts to counter and prevent the spread of violent extremism that can lead to terrorism. Through his work, Bjorn has been striving for a more principled approach to counter-terrorism, building a universalist understanding of violent extremism, irrespective of ideology, and rooting his efforts in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and principles of Peacebuilding. Through these approaches, Bjorn has held governments and companies accountable to changing the threat landscape and building safer communities. Since 2016, he has worked with the group, Extremely Together under the Kofi Annan Foundation. From 2020 to July 2022, Bjorn served as the inaugural chair of the Independent Advisory Committee of the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism. He has worked with and advised local organizations, national governments, private sector companies, and international institutions such as the EU, OSCE, and the UN through his international work. Website Co-Founder & Director - Khalifa Ihler Institute Co-Founder & Co-CEO - Glitterpill LLC Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjornih https://twitter.com/bjornih https://twitter.com/KhalifaIhler https://www.facebook.com/Khalifaihler Part 2) Becoming Radically Non-Destructive The Competitive and Destructive Nature of Superiority Post Pandemic - Radicalization COVID-19 and The Alien Invasion Moment When The January 6th Committee Comes Knocking Forget Colors or Ideology; Recognize Patterns of Extremism How Does The Idea of Superiority Spread Corporate and Leadership Accountability The "Proud Boys" Terrorists of Patriots? Right and Left Wing Extremists Why Real Diversity is Cognitive! Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mar 5, 2023 • 41min
Part 1of2 Bjorn Ihler: Radical Listening To Heal Violent Extremism
Can Listening CRUSH Extremism and Generate Radical Unity? In what appears to be a profoundly divided world, we must discover the meaningful and profound difference we can make. Radicalization is real! We can see it across political lines. And for most people, it's something terrible we speak about as a passing news story. However, what happens when radicalization goes from being on the news to becoming something in your local community or, worse still, something that becomes real within your own family? It's only when these issues become personal, instead of quickly judging these radicals by whatever disparaging comment we might throw around, we can consider the complexity of the human being. When radicalism makes its way into your community or family, you will find yourself asking, "Why" would anyone go down that road, and what can we do to bring someone locked into what can be very destructive behaviors home? Well, that's where we’re going with our guest for the next two episodes, Bjørn Ihler. Over the past decade, Bjørn has been one of the leading voices in the global efforts to counter and prevent the spread of violent extremism that can lead to terrorism. Through his work, Bjorn has been striving for a more principled approach to counter-terrorism, building a universalist understanding of violent extremism, irrespective of ideology, and rooting his efforts in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and principles of Peacebuilding. Through these approaches, Bjorn has held governments and companies accountable to changing the threat landscape and building safer communities. Since 2016, he has worked with the group, Extremely Together under the Kofi Annan Foundation. From 2020 to July 2022, Bjorn served as the inaugural chair of the Independent Advisory Committee of the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism. He has worked with and advised local organizations, national governments, private sector companies, and international institutions such as the EU, OSCE, and the UN through his international work. Website Co-Founder & Director - Khalifa Ihler Institute Co-Founder & Co-CEO - Glitterpill LLC Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjornih https://twitter.com/bjornih https://twitter.com/KhalifaIhler https://www.facebook.com/Khalifaihler Part 1) Why Listening is the Key to CRUSHING Extremism. Growing Up Diverse Being Caught In being The Target of a Terror Attack What Are The Stories We Tell and Why We Need Better Ones Fighting Headlines Generating Radical Unity The Value of Complexity Communities of Belonging Vs Communities of Fitting In. Self-Knowledge as An Antidote for Radicalization Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mar 1, 2023 • 30min
Part 2of2: Alex Budak: Micro-Leadership
Becoming a Changemaker "Someone needs to fix this," is something that, at some point, we've all said. However, it's more challenging to ask ourselves, how can we lead positive change from where we are? We often think of change as a massive and overwhelming thing that only iconic people like Gandhi, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, or Martin Luther King Jr can do. But is that true? Creating change can seem overwhelming; with that overwhelm, it's easy to give in to the status quo. However, what if the change you want to see can be broken down into meaningful, actionable bite-size micro-actions? That's where we go for the next two episodes with our guest Alex Budak. Alex is a social entrepreneur, a faculty member at Berkeley Haas, and the author of, Becoming a Changemaker. Alex Budak teaches, speaks, and writes to help people make a positive impact in their lives, career, communities, and society. As a social entrepreneur, he co‐founded StartSomeGood.com; ran Sweden's most prominent social innovation incubator, Reach for Change; and helped Change.org scale globally. Alex has given presentations on leadership, entrepreneurship, and change-making worldwide, from Cambodia to Ukraine, to the Arctic Circle, to UN Agencies, and to leading companies. He has spoken at the White House on how to create social change. Website: http://alexbudak.com Book: https://www.changemakerbook.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbudak https://twitter.com/AlexBudak Part 2) Micro-Leadership Berkeley-Haas Practical Lesson in Failure The Automatic Failure Bias Leadership Titles Vs. Leadership Behaviour Why Leading Can Look Like a Step-Down Gen-Z Lessons in Leadership for The Rest of Us Leadership as Privilege The "Tell" - "Do" Paradox Why Being a Changemaker Must Start with Permission to Serve When Quitting is The Best Way to Serve How to Catalyze Culture Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 26, 2023 • 32min
Part1of2: Alex Budak: Becoming a Changemaker
Becoming a Changemaker "Someone needs to fix this," is something that, at some point, we've all said. However, it's more challenging to ask ourselves, how can we lead positive change from where we are? We often think of change as a massive and overwhelming thing that only iconic people like Gandhi, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, or Martin Luther King Jr can do. But is that true? Creating change can seem overwhelming; with that overwhelm, it's easy to give in to the status quo. However, what if the change you want to see can be broken down into meaningful, actionable bite-size micro-actions? That's where we go for the next two episodes with our guest Alex Budak. Alex is a social entrepreneur, a faculty member at Berkeley Haas, and the author of, Becoming a Changemaker. Alex Budak teaches, speaks, and writes to help people make a positive impact in their lives, career, communities, and society. As a social entrepreneur, he co‐founded StartSomeGood.com; ran Sweden's most prominent social innovation incubator, Reach for Change; and helped Change.org scale globally. Alex has given presentations on leadership, entrepreneurship, and change-making worldwide, from Cambodia to Ukraine, to the Arctic Circle, to UN Agencies, and to leading companies. He has spoken at the White House on how to create social change. Website: http://alexbudak.com Book: https://www.changemakerbook.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbudak https://twitter.com/AlexBudak Part 1) Questioning The Status Quo Changemaker Lessons From an Indian Girls Sport Club Challenging Our Own Biases Using Entrepreneurial Skills to Create Positive Social Change Becoming an Entrepreneur Who is Looking to Put Themselves Out of Work The Vital Distinction Between Being an Entrepreneur and Applying Entrepreneurial Thinking Why Action is The Antidote to Despair Crossing The Knowing-Doing Gap What is The Changemaker Framework Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 22, 2023 • 37min
Part 2of2 The Massive Upside of Hiring Felons: Thomas Vozzo
Part 2: The Massive Upside of Hiring Felons What can we learn about business and leadership from former gang members? The answer is a lot! Homeboy Industries. This $30 million not-for-profit organization is the world's largest and most successful gang intervention, rehabilitation, and re-entry program. We all live in a highly competitive, capitalist environment, and as such, we drive toward higher and higher levels of success. Meanwhile, we miss what's going on under our noses; we may not notice our children, marriages, families, and friends drift away. Sadly, we don't even notice as our humanity drifts away. We are climbing to be on top while failing our society's poor and forgotten people. We create systems that make it impossible to be part of the American dream, particularly if someone has had a dark past. But what can we do? Our guest for the next two episodes is Thomas Vozzo. Thomas Vozzo left a very lucrative career in corporate America, convinced there had to be a better way to define success. In 2012, Thomas became the first-ever CEO of Homeboy Industries. This $30 million not-for-profit organization is the world's largest and most successful gang intervention, rehabilitation, and re-entry program. Thomas is also the author of, The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life. Website https://homeboyindustries.org Social Media Twitter: https://twitter.com/homeboyind https://www.instagram.com/homeboyindustries https://www.linkedin.com/company/homeboy-industries Part 2) The Massive Upside of Hiring Felons Why and How Successful Businesses Can make a Difference to Those on The Fringes The American Dream and 40 Years of The Same Poverty Rate George's Story: The Impossible Hurdles of Staying Straight The Insane Debt of Going to Prison Why Organizations Need to Employ The Working Poor The Massive Upside of Hiring Felons In Quest of Joy! Generosity for The Face Tattooed Gang Member Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 19, 2023 • 33min
Part 1of2 Thomas Vozzo: The Homeboy Way
What can we learn about business and leadership from former gang members? The answer is a lot! Homeboy Industries. This $30 million not-for-profit organization is the world's largest and most successful gang intervention, rehabilitation, and re-entry program. We all live in a highly competitive, capitalist environment, and as such, we drive toward higher and higher levels of success. Meanwhile, we miss what's going on under our noses; we may not notice our children, marriages, families, and friends drift away. Sadly, we don't even notice as our humanity drifts away. We are climbing to be on top while failing our society's poor and forgotten people. We create systems that make it impossible to be part of the American dream, particularly if someone has had a dark past. But what can we do? Our guest for the next two episodes is Thomas Vozzo. Thomas Vozzo left a very lucrative career in corporate America, convinced there had to be a better way to define success. In 2012, Thomas became the first-ever CEO of Homeboy Industries. This $30 million not-for-profit organization is the world's largest and most successful gang intervention, rehabilitation, and re-entry program. Thomas is also the author of, The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life. Website https://homeboyindustries.org Social Media Twitter: https://twitter.com/homeboyind https://www.instagram.com/homeboyindustries https://www.linkedin.com/company/homeboy-industries Part 1) A Radical Approach to Business and Life Life in Two Chapters Being Willing to See Those on The Fringe The 2008 Awakening to The Lack of Corporate Loyalty What Happens to "Disposable People" Lunch with Facial Tattooed Gang Members "I'm Not the Saviour" Discovering How We're All in This Together. A Zagat Recognized Restaurant Run by Felons Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 15, 2023 • 44min
Part 2of2: Dr. Benjamin Hardy. The 80-20 Rule of Identity
Part 2: Tapping Into Your Future Self to 10X Your Life As we work toward our goals and outcomes, it's not uncommon to believe that "when I get there, it will all be different." However, most people find that achieving the goal is a bit of an anti-climax. Imagine if you could achieve not just your original goal but you could 10X yourself and your goals. What might happen if you took on this heroic journey? That's where we’re going in the next two episodes. Our guest is Dr. Benjamin Hardy. Dr. Hardy is an organizational psychologist who has become the world's leading expert on the psychology of entrepreneurial leadership and exponential growth. His Ph.D. research focused on entrepreneurial courage and transformational leadership. Before completing his Ph.D., Dr. Hardy’s blogs were read by over 100 million people. He published his first major book, Willpower Doesn't Work, while running a 7-figure online training business. Since completing his Ph.D. in 2019, Dr. Hardy has published five additional books, including three co-authored with the legendary entrepreneurial coach, Dan Sullivan. His books have sold hundreds of thousands of copies and he is a sought-after teacher and speaker at corporate and entrepreneurial events at Fortune 500 companies. Website https://benjaminhardy.com https://FutureSelf.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminhardy88 https://www.facebook.com/benjaminhardy88 https://twitter.com/BenjaminPHardy https://www.instagram.com/benjamin_hardy_phd Part 2) The 80-20 Rule of Identity Becoming The Michelangelo of Creating Your Future The 80-20 Rule of Identity All Growth Starts by Telling the Truth Why 2X'ing Your Life is Harder Than 10X'ing It Tapping The Wisdom of Your Future Self Why Good and Great Can't Exist in the Same Space Inspiration From Skateboarders Confronting The Fear of Asking for What You Want Recognizing You Are Already Living a 10X version of Who You Were. Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 12, 2023 • 37min
Part 1of2: Dr Benjamin Hardy: Tapping Into Your Future Self to 10X Your Life
Tapping Into Your Future Self to 10X Your Life As we work toward our goals and outcomes, it's not uncommon to believe that "when I get there, it will all be different." However, most people find that achieving the goal is a bit of an anti-climax. Imagine if you could achieve not just your original goal but you could 10X yourself and your goals. What might happen if you took on this heroic journey? That's where we’re going in the next two episodes. Our guest is Dr. Benjamin Hardy. Dr. Hardy is an organizational psychologist who has become the world's leading expert on the psychology of entrepreneurial leadership and exponential growth. His Ph.D. research focused on entrepreneurial courage and transformational leadership. Before completing his Ph.D., Dr. Hardy’s blogs were read by over 100 million people. He published his first major book, Willpower Doesn't Work, while running a 7-figure online training business. Since completing his Ph.D. in 2019, Dr. Hardy has published five additional books, including three co-authored with the legendary entrepreneurial coach, Dan Sullivan. His books have sold hundreds of thousands of copies and he is a sought-after teacher and speaker at corporate and entrepreneurial events at Fortune 500 companies. Website https://benjaminhardy.com https://FutureSelf.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminhardy88 https://www.facebook.com/benjaminhardy88 https://twitter.com/BenjaminPHardy https://www.instagram.com/benjamin_hardy_phd Part 1) Your Future Self Does Not Live in The Past Living With God... An Origin Story You Won't Expect. Making Your Life in The Likeness and Image of What The Courage to 10X Your Life Where Do the Past End and The Future Begin Confronting our Own End-of-History illusion to 10X our Growth Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feb 8, 2023 • 40min
2of2: Gil Winch: Transforming Disability to Leadership
Have you ever watched the news or seen something online and thought, "Someone should fix that," and then you went on with your day until the next time that subject showed up? What happens when that issue that bothers you in the world shows up enough that you realize that you are noticing it because you are the one who could do something about it? Talking of ongoing workplace issues, how can we end workplace exclusion, boost your business profits, strengthen our communities, and make significant inroads toward social justice with the abundant resources we're ignoring? Our guest for the next two episodes is Dr. Gil Winch (Ph.D. in Psychology). Gil is a TED.com speaker, a keynote speaker, and the founder of Call Yachol (CY), a one-of-a-kind for-profit social business staffed and managed primarily by people with disabilities. He's also the author of Winning with Underdogs: How Hiring the Least Likely Candidates Can Spark Creativity, Improve Service, and Boost Profits for Your Business. Website: https://gilwinch.com Social Media: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gil-winch-40a96711a Book: https://tinyurl.com/WinningWithUnderDogs Part 2) Transforming Disability to Leadership The Missing Word in Leadership That Changes Everything Are You Unconsciously Filtering Out Your Best Candidates Shocking Statistic on What People Will Pay to Work in a Purpose-Driven Organization Why Escape Rooms Should Be Part of Interviewing Process The Need for Social Onboarding Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #videopodcast #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices