

The Dov Baron Show
Dov Baron
The Dov Baron Show: Unmasking Hidden Truths for High-Profile Deep Thinkers
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
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Nov 6, 2022 • 37min
1/2 Norman Bacal: I'm Never Going To Do That ...Until I do!
Our guest for the next two episodes is Normal Bacal What is in front of you that you may secretly believe you can't do? Imagine yourself on the banks of a river you've never seen before; you don't know what formed that river, where the twists and turns are, or whether it will be turbulent or smooth waters ahead. Leadership requires putting our boat in the water, frequently with little information. We must constantly assess where we are going, where we've been, and where we are. Charting your course down the river of life, the future of business, and leadership is challenging. Will we even get our boat in the water? Will we spend our time looking back at where we came from, or maybe we'll ignore the past and hold our eyes on the prize? Norman Bacal knows all about this because he had it all. He worked his way from obscurity to the top of his profession—a Canadian film and television finance specialist for 25 years, representing Canadian producers and major film studios. He went on to build an iconic Canadian law firm home to two retired Canadian prime ministers. In 2014, instead of retiring, he rewired himself as a consultant to professional firms; he became a motivational speaker and author. However, something happened and Norm fell fast and hard. Once he processed the pain and the hurt, Norm applied techniques that rewired who he had believed he was on his journey to success. Norm is living proof that with the right skills, tools, and mindset, you do what terrifies you and be successful in it. Website https://normanbacal.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/normanbacal https://twitter.com/BacalNorman https://www.linkedin.com/in/norman-bacal-16772a23 https://www.instagram.com/normansbacalauthor Part 1) Never Going to Do That...Until I Do! Putting Pain on Paper Transforming the Introverted Teen When the Man They Called "The Demon" (Gene Simmons, lead singer of Kiss) Give an Endorsement Surprising Lessons from The Death Bed of a Humble Man Fight The Current, Go with The Flow, or Something Better What to Do When Something is Missing, and No One Knows What It Is The Most Important Strategy for Dealing with Over Whelming Change Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 2, 2022 • 53min
2/2 From Military Warrior to Medical Warrior: Montel Willams
Whether or not we know of it, PTSD is at epidemic levels. In fact, it is a major contributing factor to why we, as leaders and business owners, are struggling with a massive talent deficit. However, significant research into NATURAL, non-pharmaceutical treatments for PTSD and other ailments is being ignored. You may be asking why? The answers are both shocking and eye-opening! Our guest expert for the next two episodes is Montel Williams, a United States Naval Academy graduate with a degree in general engineering and international security affairs. Montel served in both the Marine Corps and the Navy and retired after 22 years of service. He became nationally syndicated for seventeen years as an Emmy Award-winning TV host. He's gone on to become a tireless advocate for those struggling with PTSD and MS. Montel is a decorated former naval officer who earned a degree from the Defense Language Institute in Russian and Mandarin. While serving in the military, he received two Meritorious Service Medals, two Navy Commendation Medals, two Navy Achievement Medals, and various other military awards and citations. He's an entrepreneur and an Emmy Award-winning host of the nationally syndicated Montel Williams Show for 17 years. Today he is an inspirational speaker and a prolific author of many books, 4 of which became bestsellers. Montel Williams a tireless healthcare advocate and currently hosts the Lifetime series Military Makeover with Montel. Website: MontelMedia.com FB: facebook.com/montelwilliamsfan Twitter: @montel_williams Instagram: @montel_williams Part 2) Military Warrior to Medical Warrior Where do Talk-Show Host go when Syndication Ends Dealing With MS What Are the Two Freight Trains That Will Cause Medical Devastation? The Science of Cannabinoids The National Financial Cost of PTSD How 90% of Veterans have Achieved Measured Loss of their PTSD With the R.T.M Protocol Rewiring Your Brain from Trauma Patriotic Pot - American Forefathers Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 30, 2022 • 35min
1/2 Montel Williams: BEYOND THE TALK SHOW SPOTLIGHT
Whether or not we know of it, PTSD is at epidemic levels. In fact, it is a major contributing factor to why we, as leaders and business owners, are struggling with a massive talent deficit. However, significant research into NATURAL, non-pharmaceutical treatments for PTSD and other ailments is being ignored. You may be asking why? The answers are both shocking and eye-opening! Our guest expert for the next two episodes is Montel Williams, a United States Naval Academy graduate with a degree in general engineering and international security affairs. Montel served in both the Marine Corps and the Navy and retired after 22 years of service. He became nationally syndicated for seventeen years as an Emmy Award-winning TV host. He's gone on to become a tireless advocate for those struggling with PTSD and MS. Montel is a decorated former naval officer who earned a degree from the Defense Language Institute in Russian and Mandarin. While serving in the military, he received two Meritorious Service Medals, two Navy Commendation Medals, two Navy Achievement Medals, and various other military awards and citations. He's an entrepreneur and an Emmy Award-winning host of the nationally syndicated Montel Williams Show for 17 years. Today he is an inspirational speaker and a prolific author of many books, 4 of which became bestsellers. Montel Williams a tireless healthcare advocate and currently hosts the Lifetime series Military Makeover with Montel. Website: MontelMedia.com FB: facebook.com/montelwilliamsfan Twitter: @montel_williams Instagram: @montel_williams Part 1) Beyond the Talk Show Spotlight Who Decided Who You Are? Wrapping and Raping for Christmas; How Misspelling Can Facilitate Bias Linguistic Dinner Table Rules Living up to or Away From The Expectations of Others. "You People" The Proliferation of Biases When Bald Became Beautiful Teaching CAT Scans and MRIs to Speak to Each Other Beyond The Spotlight. Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" #leadership #leadershipdevelopment #emotionsourcecode #neuroscience #emotional #meaning #emotional #logic #culture #curiosity #humanbehavior #purpose #videopodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 26, 2022 • 43min
2/2: Opening Your Talent Pipeline Into a Syfy Reality: Adrian Simpson
In 1982 Tom Peters wrote the ground-breaking book "In Search of Excellence." When that book was published, Chairman Mao had recently died; China was making little progress in closing the economic gap between China and the industrialized nations. Here we are, more than 40 years and a digital revolution later, China has become the second largest economy in the world. The UK has left the EU and we had the 2008 global recession and a recent pandemic. That's just a quick overview of some business changes since the 1980s. A natural question is, what does it take to create excellence in today's multi-generational workforce? Post-pandemic leaders have faced the Great Resignation, followed quickly by the phenomena known as Quiet Quitting. How, with all this going on, can we become high-performing organizations during, what appears to be, a talent desert? Let's find out. Our guest for the next two episodes is Adrian Simpson. Adrian is the co-founder of Wavelength Companies. For 30 years, Adrian has taken over 1,500 leaders physically and virtually inside the boardrooms and shop floors of some of the world's most admired, successful, and progressive organizations. In recent years he has taken clients to Silicon Valley, China, and India to visit the likes of Apple, Alibaba, Airbnb, Tesla, Netflix, Lego, Ritz-Carlton hotels, Aravind Eye Care System, and Southwest Airlines. Recently, Adrian's hosted live virtual symposiums with the CEOs of IKEA, Unilever, and the President of Four Seasons, and ran a two-day Inside Digital China Event that took 120 clients inside, what is unequivocally, the world's most advanced digital economy. Through their lens, Adrian experiences the defining characteristics of success and is uniquely qualified to advise organizations on how to become high-performing organizations, even in this talent desert. Website www.wavelengthleadership.com Social Media https://twitter.com/AdieSimpson https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-simpson-b600139 Part 2) Opening Your Talent Pipeline Into a Syfy Reality How the Everyday SyFy Reality of China is a Wake-up call for Silicon Valley TikTok, Alibaba, Shein, and NIO smart, high-performance, electric vehicles Jobs Commitment for High Tech AI Doctors are already here Getting Out of The Echo Chamber You Don't Know You Are In How to Open Your Talent Pipeline The Future of Work, Why the Hybrid Model isn't Working, and What Will Building Hubs of Connection. Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 23, 2022 • 34min
1/2 Adrian Simpson: High-performing Organization in a Talent Desert
In 1982 Tom Peters wrote the ground-breaking book "In Search of Excellence." When that book was published, Chairman Mao had recently died; China was making little progress in closing the economic gap between China and the industrialized nations. Here we are, more than 40 years and a digital revolution later, China has become the second largest economy in the world. The UK has left the EU and we had the 2008 global recession and a recent pandemic. That's just a quick overview of some business changes since the 1980s. A natural question is, what does it take to create excellence in today's multi-generational workforce? Post-pandemic leaders have faced the Great Resignation, followed quickly by the phenomena known as Quiet Quitting. How, with all this going on, can we become high-performing organizations during, what appears to be, a talent desert? Let's find out. Our guest for the next two episodes is Adrian Simpson. Adrian is the co-founder of Wavelength Companies. For 30 years, Adrian has taken over 1,500 leaders physically and virtually inside the boardrooms and shop floors of some of the world's most admired, successful, and progressive organizations. In recent years he has taken clients to Silicon Valley, China, and India to visit the likes of Apple, Alibaba, Airbnb, Tesla, Netflix, Lego, Ritz-Carlton hotels, Aravind Eye Care System, and Southwest Airlines. Recently, Adrian's hosted live virtual symposiums with the CEOs of IKEA, Unilever, and the President of Four Seasons, and ran a two-day Inside Digital China Event that took 120 clients inside, what is unequivocally, the world's most advanced digital economy. Through their lens, Adrian experiences the defining characteristics of success and is uniquely qualified to advise organizations on how to become high-performing organizations, even in this talent desert. Website www.wavelengthleadership.com Social Media https://twitter.com/AdieSimpson https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-simpson-b600139 Part 1) The Massive ROI of Discovering Your Purpose In Search of Excellence Inside The South-West Airlines Interview Process The Unequivocal Power of Purpose Who and What are You Serving Lessons from Aravind Eye Care System and How They Massively Outperform Everyone in Their Industry The Humanity of Creating a Cult-like Culture Investing in Discovering the Personal Purpose of Your Employees... and The Massive ROI Why You Need to Choose a "hole" or an "A-hole" Dignity, Respect, and Thank You Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 19, 2022 • 44min
2/2 Why Meaning is the New Money: Dr. Tim Elmore
Whether you are a member of a multi-generational family business or a leader in a growing organization, you are undoubtedly aware of or even frustrated by the conflicting demands of today's workplace. Trying to work out what people want to come on board, stay on board, and be engaged is no longer a one size fits all. This can, of course, be not only confusing, but it can leave many leaders throwing their hands up in frustration. Today's workforce is unique in our history. For the first time, we have four, sometimes five generations working side-by-side, and the result for both them and those leading these multi-generational teams can be a major frustration. But have we even bothered to stop and ask ourselves, what are the stories we tell about these other generations? What's the answer? Stay tuned because our guest is Dr. Tim Elmore. Dr. Tim Elmore is the founder and CEO of Growing Leaders, an Atlanta‐based non‐profit organization created to develop emerging leaders. His work grew out of 20 years of serving alongside John C. Maxwell. However, Dr. Tim Elmore has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, USA Today, and Psychology Today, and he's been featured on CNN's Headline News and Fox and Friends to talk about leading multiple generations in the marketplace. The man is a machine in that he has written over 35 books. Dr. Tim Elmore has spoken to over 500,000 leaders in businesses, universities, athletic teams, and non-profit organizations, including The Home Depot, Coca-Cola, American Eagle and Chick-Fil-A as well as the San Francisco. Giants, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Ohio State University, Stanford University, and the University of Alabama athletics. Website https://www.timelmore.com. & www.growingleaders.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/drtimelmore/ https://twitter.com/timelmore https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyelmore/ Part 2) Anxiety and Agency a Paradoxical normal The power of Reverse Mentoring 6 Strategic to Communicate across Generational Diversity Are You a Checker or a Chess Leader? Are you a Pyrrhic winner? Control or Connect, what’s Driving You Guard Dogs and Guide Dogs, which is your leadership style Why Meaning is the New Money The PTO Gamble, is it worth it? . Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 16, 2022 • 33min
1/2 Dr. Tim Elmore: A New Kind of Diversity
Whether you are a member of a multi-generational family business or a leader in a growing organization, you are undoubtedly aware of or even frustrated by the conflicting demands of today's workplace. Trying to work out what people want to come on board, stay on board, and be engaged is no longer a one size fits all. This can, of course, be not only confusing, but it can leave many leaders throwing their hands up in frustration. Today's workforce is unique in our history. For the first time, we have four, sometimes five generations working side-by-side, and the result for both them and those leading these multi-generational teams can be a major frustration. But have we even bothered to stop and ask ourselves, what are the stories we tell about these other generations? What's the answer? Stay tuned because our guest is Dr. Tim Elmore. Dr. Tim Elmore is the founder and CEO of Growing Leaders, an Atlanta‐based non‐profit organization created to develop emerging leaders. His work grew out of 20 years of serving alongside John C. Maxwell. However, Dr. Tim Elmore has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, USA Today, and Psychology Today, and he's been featured on CNN's Headline News and Fox and Friends to talk about leading multiple generations in the marketplace. The man is a machine in that he has written over 35 books. Dr. Tim Elmore has spoken to over 500,000 leaders in businesses, universities, athletic teams, and non-profit organizations, including The Home Depot, Coca-Cola, American Eagle and Chick-Fil-A as well as the San Francisco. Giants, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Ohio State University, Stanford University, and the University of Alabama athletics. Website https://www.timelmore.com. & www.growingleaders.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/drtimelmore/ https://twitter.com/timelmore https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyelmore/ Part 1) Multi-generational Leadership Ageism goes in both directions. Generational Diversity, is it worth the work? Lessons from TikTok on how to lose your most valuable team members Ditching Your Age Niche If they don't know, it's not obvious The responsibility of multi-generational communication Identity, Values, and Tattoos Stereos Types are Lazy Leadership . Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 12, 2022 • 37min
2/2 Bridge-Building with Curiosity, Compassion, and Courage: Tom Fishman
Not all bridges are made of wood or steel. The most important Bridge-Building is done with Curiosity, Compassion, and Courage. We are all swimming in an ocean of partisan division. It's everywhere; it's happening in Washington, DC, it's happening at family gatherings, and it's happening inside our organizations. All too often, leaders like us feel we have to batten down the hatches around lines of division by creating an ever-increasing number of rules and regulations that will generate even more division over time. Playing into division costs us engagement; it costs us morale, and it will cost us our corporate culture. But what can we do? Stay tuned because we will sit down with the Cultural DJ, Tom Fishman over the next two episodes. Tom Fishman is the CEO of a company that has created a movement to overcome the culture wars. Before becoming CEO of Starts With Us, Tom spent over 12 years building and scaling businesses, audiences, and highly engaged communities at the interface of culture, media, and technology. He was most recently the GM at the video technology company Eko, bringing first-of-their-kind shoppable interactive video experiences to market. Previously, Tom led product strategy for Facebook's original content team and led digital at MTV as SVP Strategy & Operations, amassing a digital community of over 250 million fans globally. Today, Tom Fishman is the CEO of Starts With Us, of which I am honored to be a founding member. Starts With Us is a non-partisan civic movement to overcome America's bitter culture wars, using media and technology to foster independent thinking, healthier communication, and courageous collaboration across our differences. Starts With Us, was founded by Daniel Lubetzky, who is also the founder of KIND Snacks. Website https://www.startswith.us/join https://twitter.com/StartsWithUs https://www.instagram.com/startswithus https://twitter.com/tom_fishman https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomfishman Part 2) Curiosity, Compassion, and Courage Music - Left, Right, Middle Lessons from the fans of Bowie and Neil Diamond. The Art of Playing with People You Disagree With. Empathy as a Competitive Edge The Stretch to Grow NOT to Break Why The Answer isn't Kumbaya Free Speech for Those You Disagree With Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 9, 2022 • 33min
1/2 Tom Fishman: it STARTS WITH US
We are all swimming in an ocean of partisan division. It's everywhere; it's happening in Washington, DC, it's happening at family gatherings, and it's happening inside our organizations. All too often, leaders like us feel we have to batten down the hatches around lines of division by creating an ever-increasing number of rules and regulations that will generate even more division over time. Playing into division costs us engagement, costs us morale, and it will cost us our corporate culture. But what can we do? Stay tuned because we will sit down with the Cultural DJ, Tom Fishman over the next two episodes. Tom Fishman is the CEO of a company that has created a movement to overcome the culture wars. Before becoming CEO of Starts With Us, Tom spent over 12 years building and scaling businesses, audiences, and highly engaged communities at the interface of culture, media, and technology. He was most recently the GM at the video technology company Eko, bringing first-of-their-kind shoppable interactive video experiences to market. Previously, Tom led product strategy for Facebook's original content team and led digital at MTV as SVP Strategy & Operations, amassing a digital community of over 250 million fans globally. Today, Tom Fishman is the CEO of Starts With Us, of which I am honored to be a founding member. Starts With Us is a non-partisan civic movement to overcome America's bitter culture wars, using media and technology to foster independent thinking, healthier communication, and courageous collaboration across our differences. Starts With Us, was founded by Daniel Lubetzky, who is also the founder of KIND Snacks. Website https://www.startswith.us/join https://twitter.com/StartsWithUs https://www.instagram.com/startswithus https://twitter.com/tom_fishman https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomfishman Part 1) MTV, The Foreshadowing of Tribalism Beyond The American Dream The Evolution of Meaning MTV Fan Tribes and The Foreshadowing of Tribal Division. The Butterfly Effect of the Facebook Algorithm When The Child of a Holocaust Survivor Meets a Child of MTV Building Impossible Bridges Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 5, 2022 • 35min
2/2 Block Chain & The Power of Purpose Fuelled Ambition Fuelled: Arnaud Saint-Paul
Blockchain, Kids facing the U.N Enigma's & Following the Heart A powerful analogy for being a great Leader must be in being the conductor of a symphony orchestra. As the conductor of that orchestra, you have around eighty to one hundred musicians in front of you. They are all brilliant in their own right, all fighting to have their brilliance heard above everyone else's, and you must serve the greater good. You must combine them into coherence and harmony to serve a greater good. But how can we do it? Stay tuned over the next two episodes as we sit down with Arnaud Saint-Paul. Over the last 20 years, Arnaud has been a philanthropist and an award-winning entrepreneur. He lives between Los Angeles and Paris and travels worldwide while having a successful career in finance and technology. After studying different religions and philosophies to understand himself, Arnaud's purpose today is to open billions of hearts and help them to find harmony within and around them. He is doing this work with many top corporate leaders and entrepreneurs who realize the need to find harmony within themselves and their organizations. Website https://tapuat.com Social Media https://www.facebook.com/tapuatharmony https://twitter.com/arnaudsaintpaul https://www.linkedin.com/in/arnaudsaintpaul https://www.instagram.com/arnaudsaintpaul Part 2) Blockchain, U.N Enigma's & Following the Heart The Power of Ambition Fueled by Purpose Deeping Self Trust How Following the Heart Blows the Mind Block Chain and Financial Literacy for Kids Teaching Kids to Solve U.N Enigma's Locally and Globally Competition or Collaboration Which is More Profitable Grounded in Finance How To Know When You Are Blocking the Vision You Created 360 Degrees of Love Curious to discover how tapping into the Anatomy of Meaning can #actualize your #business, #culture, #Leadership and #tribe DovBaron.com "Those Who Control Meaning for The Tribe, Also Control The Movement of That Tribe" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices