
Marketing For Learning®
The only podcast in the world that’s going to help you better understand marketing for learning® fundamentals and help you tackle your learner engagement problem once and for all! Hosted by Ashley Hinchcliffe and Hannah Clark, this podcast comprises of short bursts of learning and insights to help you embrace marketing tactics, strategies and thinking.
Marketing for learning.
It’s our business.
www.maas-marketing.co.uk
Latest episodes

May 9, 2022 • 16min
Ep 21 - 5 Things That Make Our Function, Uh, Dysfunctional
Alright, you know Ashley goes on and on about our mindsets and how we need to shift and evolve it. In this episode she digs a bit more deeply into how that mindset is affecting key parts of L&D such as the curious and frankly fruitless pursuit of a single solution to our problems.
She explores data, engagement and why we need to partner more consciously with the business too. If you're facing real challenges in your L&D department, this one's for you.
www.marketingforlearning.com

Apr 26, 2022 • 13min
Ep 20 - My Beef With Kevin Costner & Using Demand Generation
If you build it, they will come. NO Kevin. No. Field of Dreams has been misleading us all, and in this episode Ashley explores why this mindset is causing us all measure of issues in L&D.
She covers how other brands are undertaking marketing, and why she believes it's absolute madness that L&D thinks creating a tech ecosystem is enough to excite and engage learners. She suggests doing pure demand generation to build trust with learners and ultimately engage with them on a long-term journey.
Bit of a ranty episode, but some good meaty chunks in there 🍖
www.marketingforlearning.com

Apr 19, 2022 • 17min
Ep 19 - Data, Analytics and Testing
If you want to improve your marketing for learning approaches, you must use data to test and learn more about your audience. This test > learn > iterate loop is incredibly common in the marketing world, and in this episode Hannah explores some of the simple starting points for collecting data, why it will help you improve and even what data you should start looking at.
It's 16 mins of sheer bliss 🥰
Correlation vs causation video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaETnBzM7yU

Mar 25, 2022 • 45min
Ep 18 - ING Bank - Moving From Content to Community Management - Alvaro Caballero
Believe it or not, this L&D team does not create learning content 🤯
Ashley was joined by Alvaro Caballero, who recently headed up the learning team at ING Bank (he's since moved on to become the Head of People at DataSnipper). Al tells our listeners about the brave and bold journey his team went on, flipping L&D on its head, completely abandoning content creation and instead focusing on curation, communication and community.
ING Bank's team has been on quite a journey and Al tells our listeners his learnings, failures and what it really takes to make marketing for learning successful in a large corporation.
If you'd like to talk to Al about his experience, you can connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alvarocc/

Mar 14, 2022 • 10min
Ep 17 - Value Proposition Canvas
You've probably heard us chat about the value prop of your learning many, many times on this podcast. This episode is a practical walk-through to help you determine your value prop AND understand how best to communicate it to your learners using something called a value proposition canvas.
What are the features, benefits and experiences of your learning? What do you learners want, need and fear? Combine the two and the marketing magic really happens! We've even created a template that you can use if you wanted to get started on your own value prop (which we really recommend you do)!
Here's your free value proposition canvas template
Here's a short video that'll show you how to complete it(please note we've changed some of the labels in our template to make it more appropriate for a learning context)
Ahhh what a nice, practical episode to get us back into the game 🔥

Feb 24, 2022 • 17min
Ep 16 - Marketing for Learning IS a Thing
Somehow, #marketingforlearning won at last week's Learning Awards. MAAS Marketing (the company Han and Ash run) won Start Up Learning Provider of the Year at the Learning and Performance Institute's Learning Awards.
A marketing agency just won a learning award. In this short session, Ash and Han discuss what this may well mean for the world of learning and whether progress could well be getting made. It's not tactical or practical, but instead explores the bigger picture issues our industry faces and how marketing may well be the key to overcoming them.
One thing is for sure.... marketing for learning is now most definitely a thing!
www.marketingforlearning.com
www.maas-marketing.co.uk
https://thelearningawards.com/winners/

Feb 15, 2022 • 13min
Ep 15 - Banner Blindness
Are your learners ignoring your comms? Could the overuse of the same imagery and approaches be causing a phenomenon called banner blindness? And what can we do to overcome it? Ash explores in this short 13 minute snack.
www.marketingforlearning.com

Feb 10, 2022 • 13min
Ep 14 - Influencer Marketing
Want to make people believe in your learning? Engage with it? Trust it? Why not better leverage the influencers in your business? In this episode Han chats all about how L&D can use influencers (or learnfluencers, as Caroline likes to call them - we're stealing that word btw 😝) to increase reach, create resonance and increase the relevance of your learning experiences.
Sounds great, doesn't it? WHY ARE YOU STILL READING THEN? GO LISTEN YOU SCHMUCK 🤨
www.marketingforlearning.com

Feb 4, 2022 • 38min
Ep 13 - L’Oréal’s Learning Culture - Caroline Fitzpatrick
What does it really take to establish a proactive learning culture? Ashley was lucky enough to sit and chat with Caroline Fitzpatrick who is the Senior People Development and Learning Manager at L'Oréal UK & I. Part of a highly productive, proactive team of six, Caroline shares how the L&D function at L'Oréal have adopted a marketing mindset with their communication efforts and are utilising over eighteen marketing channels. Eighteen! She provides loads of tips, hacks and tactics which you could easily adopt in your own function today!
L'Oréal is doing marketing for learning and getting amazing results too. This success has been so great that the L'Oréal team have been shortlisted in the upcoming LPI Learning Awards in the 'Learning Culture' category. Fingers crossed you guys get gold Caroline and thanks again for the convo!
If you want to find out more, feel free to connect with Caroline on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/learningcaroline/

Jan 20, 2022 • 14min
Ep 12 - User Generated Content
Did you know that your learners are more likely to trust advice and recommendations from their peers than if the same information were to come for L&D? User generated content is not a new phenomena, but it's rapidly gained popularity in marketing in recent years with the insurance of influencer marketing and review sites.
Could it be a critical component of your marketing for learning strategy? Find out with the very bestest human, Hannah Waddams.