

MAFFEO DRINKS: Built Bottom-up
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks business podcast delivering actionable insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
Episodes
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Oct 10, 2023 • 54min
029 | Building Bottom-up in the US 3-tier system | with Brian Rosen, Chairman of Growth Beverage (Chicago, IL, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 029, I had the pleasure of chatting to Brian Rosen. He is the Chairman of Growth Beverage and Founder of InvestBev, Sprout Beverage, Bev Strat and Algoma Capital. He has decades of experience in building drinks brands in the US. He gave us incredible insights about the dynamics of the US market. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(5:08) How To Spend Money Effectively(12:28) Building Demand Effectively(15:04) Home Court Advantage(18:39) Doing The Boring Stuff(27:35) Running Out of Money(31:25) Breaking Into The US(40:00) Demand Generation
About the Guest: Brian Rosen
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Oct 3, 2023 • 57min
028 | Bottle Shops before Bars: starting at the liquid and work back towards the brand | with Duncan McRae, Co-Founder of Woven (Adelaide, Australia)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 028, I had the pleasure of chatting with Duncan McRae, Co-founder of Woven Whisky and a Drinks industry veteran, having previously worked with William Grant's & Sons and Diageo. A living example of Building Brands Bottom Up. I hope you enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:
(00:00) Building Demand
(03:08) Brand Awareness
(08:58) Managing Relationships
(10:44) KPI's & Incentives
(13:46) "Blue Tick Moments": Becoming Known in the Ecosystem
(15:40) Bottle Shops vs. On-Trade Growth
(26:46) It starts with the liquid
(32:00) Adapting Your Sales Pitch
(37:52) Better Brand Training
(44:35) Taste Profile before categories
(52:00) Special Pours & Drawbacks
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Duncan McRae
About the product: Woven
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Sep 26, 2023 • 1h 11min
027 | Steven Grasse | Brand Mysticism: how to create winning brands from the bottom-up | Hendrick's Gin, Sailor Jerry Rum, Guinness, Miller High Life
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 027 I had the honor of interviewing Steven Grasse. He is the founder of the renowned agency Quaker City Mercantile and of Tamworth Distilling. He is a legend in the drinks industry, having created brands such as Hendrick's gin, Sailor Jerry Rum, and having crafted great rebirths such as Pilsner Urquell, Guinness, and Miller High Life. I hope you will enjoy our chat.Main Topics Discussed:0 to 1 Bottle:- Differentiating Liquid- Why Not to Chase Trends- Bridging Categories through Taste Profile1 Bottle to 1 Case:- Building a Rich Brand World- The Importance of Rituals- Choosing Partners & Distributors1 Case to 1 Pallet- On, Off-Trade and State Monopolies- Institutional Knowledge- Award ShowAbout The Host: Chris MaffeoAbout The Guest: Steven Grasse
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Sep 19, 2023 • 42min
026 | Balancing Love & Money: how to build value for all the links of the value chain | Part 2/2 with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com This is the second part of the chat with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky. He is a business coach and brings 3 decades of industry experience, having held senior leadership roles at Bacardi, William Grant & Sons and Suntory. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:0 to 1 Bottle
-Figuring out pricing
-Back bar analysis
-Targeting the right bars
1 Bottle to 1 Case
-Cocktail opportunities in bars
-Strengthening customer-brand relationships (Love & Money)
-Creating volume focused KPIs
1 Case to 1 Pallet
-Beyond the back bar
-Ironing out the value chain
-Incentivizing your value chain
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Maurice Doyle
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Sep 12, 2023 • 42min
025 | Starting from the Taste Profile: when liquids transcend categories and solve a customer's need. | Part 1/2 with Maurice Doyle, CEO of Compass Box Whisky (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com This is the first part of the chat with Maurice Doyle. He's the CEO of Compass Box Whisky. He's a coach and brings three decades of industry experience, having held senior leadership roles at Bacardi, William Grant and Sons and Suntory. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:
From 0 to 1 Bottle
- Conceiving of your brand
- Differentiating yourself
- Why people drink
From 1 Bottle to 1 Case
- Building Demand Efficiently
- The importance of repeat consumers
- The value of On-Trade
From 1 Case to 1 Pallet
- Expanding your drinks range
- The power of consistency
- Always think of the second sale
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Maurice Doyle
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Sep 5, 2023 • 52min
024 | Knowing Your Brand and Sticking To It: The importance of identifying your target occasion Bottom Up, not chasing trends | with Alex Ouziel Founder of 9diDANTE Vermouth & CEO of FIOL Prosecco
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 024, I had the privilege of interviewing Alex Ouziel, Founder of 9diDANTE Vermouth and CEO of FIOL Prosecco. He's a veteran of our industry, with many years in the game. He has previously spent ten years in Bacardi, from VP and Managing Director of Eastern Europe to President of Asia, Middle East, and Africa. He possesses a truly international perspective on drinks. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
Main Topics Discussed:
From 0 to 1 Bottle
Dark Marketing
Importance of Differentiation
Selling to Bars when Small
From 1 Bottle to 1 Case
Why be on the Cocktail Menu?
Necessity of Hunting & Farming Systems
Adapting to what Bars need.
From 1 Case to 1 Pallet
Building Distribution Networks
Advantages of Brand Ambassadors
Working with Distributors
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Alex Ouziel
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Aug 29, 2023 • 29min
023 | Bootstrapping & Investors | How the founder's role evolves with scale | Part 2/2 with Paul Hletko of FEW Spirits and Goza Tequila (Chicago, IL, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, we continue interviewing Paul Hletko, Founder of FEW Spirits & Owner of Goza Tequila. FEW was part of the vanguard of the Craft Spirits Movement, with Paul leading the charge. They are a masterclass in building a drinks brand bottom up. I hope you enjoy our chat.
Main Topics Discussed:
Zero to One Bottle
• Finding your target occasion
•Bootstrapping Vs Investor Starts
One Bottle to One Case
• Is your target occasion scalable?
• Adapting your drinking occasion
• Winning distributors
One Case to One Pallet
•Advantages of a broad portfolio of drinks
• Importance of Founder Field Visits, even when big
•Transitioning to Indirect Sales
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Paul Hletko
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Aug 22, 2023 • 37min
022 | Traditional to Modern Occasions | How they evolve and What Consumers Need | Part 1/2 with Paul Hletko of FEW Spirits and Goza Tequila (Chicago, IL, USA)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode, Chris Maffeo talks with Paul Hletko, Founder of FEW Spirits and CEO of Goza Tequila. He is one of the founding fathers of the Craft Spirits Revolution, founding FEW in 2010, and has a unique perspective on the evolution of the drinks ecosystem over the past 13 years. He is the Former President of the American Craft Spirits Association. We hope you enjoy our chat.
We discussed:
From 0 to 1 bottle
• What's Your Target Occasion?
• Evolution of Identity over Time
• Home Turf Advantage
From 1 bottle to 1 case
• New Consumption Adaption
• Traditional Vs Modern Occasions
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Paul Hletko
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Aug 15, 2023 • 40min
021 | Co-Creating Vs Dictating in a Bar | Why you shouldn't worry about conquering a bar and instead fit in | Part 2/2 of the Interview with Alex Frezza, from L'Antiquario (Napoli, Italy).
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, We continue interviewing Alex Frezza, Owner of L'Antiquario Bar in Naples, part of the World's 50 Best Bars. He's credited with building up the Neapolitan Cocktail Bar Scene, provides top-shelf hospitality and, best of all, recognized me when I was a customer at his bar. I hope you enjoy his wisdom as much as I did.
Main topics discussed:
From 0 to 1 bottle
• The importance of the Target Occasion
• How occasions change by City, State, and Country
• Dark Demand Generation
From 1 bottle to 1 case
• Up or Out: how cool bar owners choose their brands
• Analyzing cocktail menus to decide where to focus on
• Avoid brands vs. following brands: different strategies
From 1 case to 1 pallet
• Big brands & the taste setting effect
• Choosing the right Distributor for your brand.
• Localization Challenges
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Alex Frezza
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Aug 9, 2023 • 43min
020 | Decoding Cocktail Bars: Translating Between Consumer, Bar and Brand | Part 1/2 with Alex Frezza from L' Antiquario (Napoli, Italy)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com This is the first part of the chat I had the honor of having with Alex Frezza. He is the Owner and Founder of L' Antiquario in Napoli, currently number 46 on the Global list of 50 Best Bars. He is a bar legend in Italy and internationally. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Main topics discussed:
From 0 to 1 bottle
• Understanding the thought process of a bar owner being pitched to
• The Wholesaler Paradox (Why bars have an aversion to brands without a wholesaler)
• The Importance of the Target Occasion
From 1 bottle to 1 case
• What attracts bar owners to a product
• Communicating your brand identity to consumers through bartenders
• Being approachable to consumers for bars and brands
From 1 case to 1 pallet
• Big brands vs. Small brands approaches
• Localization Failures
• Building Distribution Networks
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Alex Frezza
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com


