

MAFFEO DRINKS: Built Bottom-up
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks business podcast delivering actionable insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
Episodes
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Dec 13, 2023 • 43min
038 | Scaling a Whisky Brand from a Local Distillery to the World | Part 2/2 with Daniel Szor, Founder of the Cotswolds Distillery (UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 038, I continued the conversation with Daniel Szor from Episode 037. Feel free to listen to that, as well. He has an incredible story as he left his 30-year Investment Management career in NYC, Paris, and London behind to build one of the first English Whisky Distilleries. I hope you will enjoy our chat. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(0:00) Introduction
(0:10) Home Turf Advantage
(3:05) Starting A Distillery: Sales
(8:44) Bridging Categories
(16:34) Discerning Your Market
(20:46) Home Turf Authenticity
(27:57) Creating A Sales Team
(33:51) Small Brand Owner Expectations
About the guest: Daniel Szor
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Dec 6, 2023 • 43min
037 | Building English Whisky as a New Category Bottom-up | Part 1/2 with Daniel Szor, Founder of the Cotswolds Distillery (UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 037, I had the honor of chatting with Daniel Szor, Founder of the Cotswolds Distillery. He has an incredible story as he left his 30-year Investment Management career in NYC, Paris, and London behind to build one of the first English Whisky Distilleries. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(0:00) Introduction
(1:14) Building Demand & Background
(8:02) Why England?
(12:52) Developing English Whisky
(19:49) Whisky Innovation
(25:58) Distilling Brand Messaging Down
(32:09) Getting Your Foot In The Door
(36:33) The Beauty of Off-trade
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Daniel Szor
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 29, 2023 • 44min
036 | Bridging liquid categories: beverage development to recruit new consumers | Part 2/2 with Sebastian Barnick from Pleasant Land Distillery (Kent, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 036, I continued my conversation with Sebastian Barnick in Episode 035. Feel free to listen to that, as well.
Starting life in the Royal Navy, he became a certified distiller and WSET educator with a wealth of experience in wines and luxury spirits. He is an NPD professional and runs a sustainable contract distillery in the UK. I hope you will enjoy our chat. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(0:17); Authenticity in Brands
(11:23); Modern and Traditional Target Occasions
(17:17); Hometown Authenticity
(22:28); Bridging Categories
(26:43); Categories from a Distiller's perspective
(33:55); Early Adopters
(38:28); Best Part of being a Distiller
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Sebastian Barnick
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 22, 2023 • 36min
035 | Thinking long-term when developing a new drinks brand | Part 1/2 with Sebastian Barnick from Pleasant Land Distillery (Kent, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 035, I chatted with Sebastian Barnick, Director at Pleasant Land Distillery. Starting life in the Royal Navy, he became a certified distiller and WSET educator with a wealth of experience in wines and luxury spirits. He is an NPD professional and runs a sustainable contract distillery in the UK. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Timestamps
(1:36); Origins of a Liquid and Brand
(7:48); Rectifying Vs Distilling
(11:10); Disconnect between Pricing and Quality
(18:42); The Bottom Up Era
(20:04); Value Chain Construction
(27:01); Where Do The First 10,000 Pounds Go
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Sebastian Barnick
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 20, 2023 • 14min
Bar Convent Berlin 2023 - Bonus Video Episode | Demystifying Gen-Z, how to build a brand that talks to all generations
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com This bonus episode was recorded at Bar Convent Berlin 2023, where Chris Maffeo held a presentation as a guest of Park Street University.
Interested in having the slides? Download them here: https://chrismaffeo.gumroad.com/l/demystifyinggenz?_gl=1*1dg8lxc*_ga*NzY1NzcyNzM1LjE3MDAzMTE5Nzk.*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTcwMDUxMzAyMC41LjAuMTcwMDUxMzAyMC4wLjAuMA..
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the venue: BCB - Bar Convent Berlin
All rights reserved: Park Street
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 14, 2023 • 46min
034 | From the right Bars to the right Wholesalers, Bottom-up | with Gaetano Chiavetta from Everleaf Drinks (London, UK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 034, I spoke to Gaetano Chiavetta. He heads UK & Italy On-trade at Everleaf Drinks | B Corp. He has previously worked for Global Brands and brings Bar Manager and Bartender experience from several On-trade venues in London. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(2:26); Building Demand
(7:46); Targeting Via Wholesalers
(17:17); Building Systems For Connection
(26:28); Value of The Cocktail Menu
(29:58); Do The Homework
(39:10); Growing Beyond Your Home Market
(42:12); Contact Gaetano
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Gaetano Chiavetta
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 7, 2023 • 36min
033 | The Bottom-up Trade: aka where to build brands regardless if on or off-trade | Part 2/2 with Julian Marsili, Global Drinks Brand Director (Copenhagen, DK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 033, I continued the conversation I had in episode 032 with Julian Marsili. He is a Global Drinks Brand Director who has many years of experience in the drinks business. He is behind the successful global rejuvenation of the Carlsberg brand, the launch of Alcohol-Free brews and other Portfolio Innovations. He has previously managed Peroni Nastro Azzurro in Italy. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
This is a two part-episode, so Don't forget to listen to episode 032 as well. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(00:35); The Bottom-up Trade
(02:45); Target Spaces
(07:23); Recovering Brand Essence
(12:24); Marketeer Disconnection From Trade
(19:57); 1% Everyday
(25:30); Distinctiveness Vs Differentiation
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 1, 2023 • 34min
032 | Global Brands are built by Bus Drivers: how managers should look after brands for the next generation | Part 1/2 with Julian Marsili, Global Drinks Brand Director (Copenhagen, DK)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 032, I enjoyed speaking to my friend and ex-colleague Julian Marsili. He is a Global Drinks Brand Director with many years of experience in the drinks business. He is behind the successful rejuvenation of the Carlsberg brand globally, the launch of Alcohol-Free brews and other Portfolio Innovations. He has previously managed Peroni Nastro Azzurro in Italy. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
This is a 2 part-episode so Don't forget to listen to episode 033 as well. I hope you will enjoy our chat.
Time Stamps
(1:38); Brand Saliency
(11:57); Maintaining Basics
(17:05); Disconnected From Product
(24:31); Demand Space Vs Target
About the Host
About the Guest
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 9min
031 | Building brands bottom-up balancing Nordic minimalism with Italian flair | with Joonas Mäkilä, Co-founder of Mother's Milk Beverages (Helsinki, FI & Prague, CZ)
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 031, Chris Maffeo had the honor of meeting in person with Joonas Mäkilä, a close friend and Co-founder of Mother's Milk Beverages, a Spirits Company based in Finland. He is a Finnish Commercial Advisor with two decades of experience in FMCG multinationals, private equity-backed hospitality groups, and other industries. We hope you will enjoy their chat.
This is a video episode if you watch it on Spotify.
About the Host: Chris Maffeo
About the Guest: Joonas Mäkilä
Time Stamps
(2:00); Lingoncello Launch
(9:10); Breaking Into Outlets
(11:50); Taking Advantage of The Back Bar
(13:50); A Outlet Owner's View of Attempted Sales
(18:38); Small & Big Brands
(28:45); Brand Stories
(38:00); Target Occasion > Target Consumer
(40:20); Expand Or Focus Distribution
(50:00) Win at Home
(57:00); Internal Competition
(1:02:35); Cash Efficiency
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Oct 17, 2023 • 1h 3min
030 | The Future of Insights is sitting at the bar | with Paul Thomas, Global Insight Director at Beam Suntory (London, UK).
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 030, I had the pleasure of talking to Paul Thomas. He is the Global Head of Shopper Insights at Beam Suntory. He has previously worked for Asahi International, Diageo, Ferrero, and Ipsos. He has an incredible global experience in Drinks Industry Insights. It was a pleasure to discuss it with such pragmatism and common sense. I hope you will enjoy our chat
(00:50); Insights in the Field(13:43); Adapting to Market Conditions(19:40); Chasing Trends; A Very Bad Idea(23:30); Why Do We Have To Chase Gen Z?(34:26); What A Bar Tender Needs To Know About Your Brand(36:18); Penetration Vs Spread(42:47); How Much Localization Is Good?(51:25); Bridging Categories(55:47); Insights At The Bar Level
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Paul Thomas
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com


