Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins

Delve into the world of hydrogen and its potential to combat climate change. Explore the complex relationship between hydrogen production, decarbonization, and the evolving energy landscape. Discover the challenges of shipping hydrogen and the economic implications of U.S. policies like the hydrogen tax credit. Learn how hydrogen could transform industries while navigating the international competition and strategies shaping its future. The conversation also touches on innovative approaches in extraction and the properties that make hydrogen both promising and problematic.

Lauri Myllyvirta, co-founder and lead analyst at the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, discusses China's emissions landscape. He explores whether China's coal emissions have peaked despite ongoing new coal projects. The conversation dives into the booming electric vehicle market and its implications for urban air quality, alongside China’s rapid renewable energy growth. Myllyvirta also addresses the structural challenges facing the country's transition to sustainable energy, highlighting the complexity of its policies.

Kicking off the New Year, the hosts tackle listener questions on pressing topics like the Green New Deal and the Inflation Reduction Act's legacy. They dive into the promise of vehicle-to-grid technology and the societal shifts needed for effective decarbonization. Concerns about AI-driven data centers and their energy demands are raised, alongside solutions like off-grid solar systems. The surge in global solar PV capacity sparks optimism, and emerging trends in geothermal energy showcase a bright future for renewables.

Lucia Tian, a clean energy leader at Google; Matt DeNichilo, a power investment expert; and Allison Clements, a former energy regulator, discuss the energy demands of AI and data centers. They explore how to meet rising electricity needs while advancing decarbonization. The conversation highlights the potential role of nuclear power, the importance of innovative renewable solutions, and the regulatory challenges facing the evolving electric grid. Collaboration between tech companies and energy regulators emerges as vital for a sustainable future.

In this engaging discussion, Jennifer Granholm, the 16th U.S. Secretary of Energy and former governor of Michigan, reflects on her tenure and the Biden administration's climate strategies. She details the transition of the Department of Energy into a driving force for clean energy innovation. Granholm delves into the complexities of fossil fuel dependency, bipartisan support, and the future of clean energy technologies, particularly in light of the Inflation Reduction Act. Her insights offer a hopeful outlook on America's energy landscape and the importance of strategic initiatives for sustainable growth.

In this engaging discussion, Ilaria Mazzocco, Deputy Director at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, dives deep into China's electric vehicle revolution. She highlights how BYD has become a formidable player, outpacing Ford and Honda in sales. Ilaria also examines the impact of U.S. tariffs on EV markets and the strategic importance of government policies in China's rapid EV adoption. The conversation covers global market dynamics, traditional automakers' challenges, and the technological advancements driving this electrifying transformation.

In this discussion, Kristina Costa, Deputy Assistant to the President for Clean Energy Innovation, outlines pivotal aspects of the Inflation Reduction Act. She highlights its unprecedented scale and urgency amidst potential political shifts. Costa delves into the importance of state capacities in advancing these climate goals and the need for innovative federal tools to compete with global leaders like China. Additionally, she shares strategies to safeguard these climate initiatives from future threats, emphasizing collaborative efforts in the private sector.

Corey Cantor, a Senior EV analyst at BloombergNEF, dives into the intricate dynamics of electric vehicles in the U.S. He discusses the recent surge in EV sales, spotlighting GM's advancements while contrasting it with Ford's delays. The conversation shifts to potential repercussions of Trump's policies on EV tax credits and adoption rates. Cantor highlights international collaboration affecting the U.S. market and examines the pivotal role of state incentives amid evolving competition, especially from China.

Kate Marvel, an associate research scientist at Columbia University and NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, shares eye-opening insights about the climate crisis. She discusses the stark reality that the world is likely to surpass the 1.5°C threshold set by the Paris Agreement. Marvel emphasizes the significance of every fraction of a degree in the fight against climate change, explaining the critical differences between tipping points and feedback loops. The conversation navigates feelings of despair and hope, urging immediate action and innovative solutions.

Joining the discussion is Jeremy Wallace, A. Doak Barnett Professor of China Studies at Johns Hopkins University and expert on U.S.-China relations. He dives into how Trump’s policies might pave the way for China to take the lead in clean energy tech. Wallace also analyzes China's economic landscape and energy strategies, contrasting them with U.S. approaches. He highlights the geopolitical intricacies at play, especially the implications of fluctuating U.S. leadership on global climate efforts and emissions.