
Shift Key with Robinson Meyer and Jesse Jenkins
Every week, Heatmap News Executive Editor Robinson Meyer and Princeton University Professor and energy systems expert Jesse Jenkins make sense of the biggest shift of our time -- navigating the energy transition away from fossil fuels. Drawing on their years of experience reporting on and researching climate change and decarbonization, Meyer and Jenkins unpack the most important issues of the week and how the impacts of climate change and efforts to address it are transforming our economy, politics, and society at large. Music by Adam Kromelow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Latest episodes

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May 28, 2025 • 43min
Shift Key Classic: The World Will Miss 1.5C. What Comes Next?
Kate Marvel, an associate research scientist at Columbia University and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, discusses the critical importance of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. She highlights how even slight temperature increases can have devastating effects, explaining the complex dynamics of climate tipping points and feedback loops. The conversation emphasizes the urgent need for significant emissions reductions and addresses the political challenges in climate action. Marvel also offers optimism amidst these concerns, advocating for collective human agency in shaping a sustainable future.

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May 21, 2025 • 1h 8min
How the GOP Megabill Would Reshape the U.S. Energy Economy
Republicans are poised to dismantle key clean energy tax credits, raising alarms about future emissions and the energy economy. The discussion reveals how these changes could cripple electric vehicle production and hurt grid stability. Insights from a Princeton report detail projected increases in greenhouse gas emissions, while the challenges facing U.S. EV manufacturing and supply chains are highlighted. The podcast also touches on the implications of potential policy shifts on fuel prices and future electricity demand, painting a complex picture of the energy landscape.

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May 13, 2025 • 1h 3min
The Fight Over the Inflation Reduction Act Has Arrived
Luke Bassett, a former senior advisor for domestic climate policy at the U.S. Treasury, joins to dissect the brewing battle over the Inflation Reduction Act. He reveals the GOP's recent proposal to reshape energy tax provisions, emphasizing its potential to significantly impact clean energy funding. The conversation covers critical aspects of the legislative process, including budget reconciliation's role and navigates the complexities of new tax credit regulations on sectors like electric vehicles and renewable energy. Bassett highlights the stakes for manufacturers and working families amidst these political shifts.

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May 7, 2025 • 1h 9min
Spain’s Blackout and the Miracle of the Modern Power Grid
A massive blackout in Spain and Portugal left millions in the dark, prompting a deep dive into the complexities of grid management. The discussion highlights the impact of renewable energy and the critical role of engineers in maintaining reliability. Listeners learn about the delicate balance between voltage, frequency, and demand. The show also explores varying grid systems across continents and the future of electricity transmission as countries transition to sustainable energy sources.

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Apr 30, 2025 • 60min
How Texas Could Destroy Its Electricity Market
Texas is one of the country’s biggest producers of zero-emissions energy. Last year, the Lone Star State surpassed California to become the country’s No. 1 market for utility-scale solar. More solar and batteries were added to the Texas grid in 2024 than any other energy source, and the state has long dominated in onshore wind.But that buildout is now threatened. A new tranche of bills in the Texas House and Senate could impose punitive engineering requirements on wind, solar, and storage plants — even those already in operation — and they could send the state’s power bills soaring.Doug Lewin is the founder and CEO of Stoic Energy Partners in Austin, Texas. He writes the Texas Energy and Power Newsletter, and he is the host of the Energy Capital podcast. On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob talk with Doug about how Texas became a clean energy powerhouse, how it has dealt with eye-watering demand power growth, and why a handful of bills in the Texas statehouse could break its electricity market. Shift Key is hosted by Robinson Meyer, the founding executive editor of Heatmap, and Jesse Jenkins, a professor of energy systems engineering at Princeton University.Mentioned: A round-up of the anti-renewables bills now in TexasA map of renewables across TexasElectrifying the PermianThe economic impact of renewables & storage in TexasRural Texans speak out against SB 819How Texas consumers benefit from the renewables expansion Rob’s upshift; Jesse’s upshift.--Music for Shift Key is by Adam Kromelow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Apr 23, 2025 • 1h
How BYD Got So Big
In just the past few years, Chinese EV-maker BYD has become the most important car company most Americans have still never heard of. It is China’s biggest private employer, the world’s third most valuable automaker (after Tesla and Toyota), and it’s capable of producing more than 5 million cars a year. It’s also just one of dozens of innovative new Chinese auto companies that are set to transform the global mobility market — regardless of what happens with Trump’s tariffs. On this week’s episode of Shift Key, Jesse and Rob talk with Michael Dunne, the founder of Dunne Insights and a longtime observer of the Chinese automotive sector. Dunne was president of GM Indonesia from 2013 and 2015, and was once managing director of JD Power and Associates’ China division. We talk about the deep history of BYD, the five non-BYD Chinese car companies you should know, and how Western automakers could (with difficulty and a lot of policy help) eventually catch up.Shift Key is hosted by Jesse Jenkins, a professor of energy systems engineering at Princeton University, and Robinson Meyer, Heatmap’s executive editor.Mentioned:Michael Dunne on BYDWhy BYD Keeps Shocking the WorldHow China Created an EV JuggernautJesse’s upshift; Rob’s downshift.--Music for Shift Key is by Adam Kromelow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Apr 16, 2025 • 49min
What Happens to Global Decarbonization in a Trade War?
The discussion navigates the fallout of the U.S. trade war and its dire implications for global decarbonization efforts. Tariffs on key partners could cripple America's role in combatting climate change, while China might seize the opportunity to expand its clean tech sector. The podcast also highlights the significant responsibility of middle-income nations in balancing development with clean energy needs. Legislative changes in the U.S. threaten clean energy initiatives, potentially undermining innovation and leadership in the global energy landscape.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 1h 6min
How China’s Industrial Policy Really Works
Joanna Lewis, an expert in energy policy and author, and John Paul Helveston, a scholar of market dynamics, delve into how China has become a leader in clean energy technology. They explore the intricate industrial policies that shaped China’s solar and electric vehicle industries. The conversation highlights the effects of U.S. tariffs, the challenges in automaking, and the urgent need for the U.S. to innovate and rethink its manufacturing strategies to remain competitive. There's a call to recognize the geopolitical stakes in clean energy.

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Apr 2, 2025 • 49min
The Least-Noticed Climate Scandal of the Trump Administration
In this insightful conversation, Kristina Costa, former deputy assistant to the president focused on clean energy, dives into the Trump administration's attempts to block innovative green bank programs established by the Inflation Reduction Act. She discusses how these actions weaponize criminal law against environmental initiatives, the impact of funding freezes on community projects, and the broader implications for climate policies. With firsthand experience in the White House, Costa provides a unique perspective on the ongoing legal battle and its significance for America’s clean energy future.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 1h 5min
What’s Really Holding Back New Data Centers
Peter Freed, a founding partner at Near Horizon Group and former director of energy strategy at Meta, shares his expertise on data centers and clean energy. He discusses how the AI boom is straining the grid and explores the real-world challenges of developing new data centers by 2025. Freed highlights the potential shift from natural gas to coal and the significant electricity demands of tech companies. He also delves into the complexities of watering the data center boom without compromising on sustainability.