

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
Tokens Media
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
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Apr 7, 2025 • 54min
203: Rainn Wilson: Dwight Schrute Talks About Religion (Best of NSE)
Rainn Wilson, beloved for his role as Dwight Schrute on The Office, dives deep into spirituality and its relevance in today's divided world. He shares his journey from comedy to spiritual awakening through his book 'Soul Boom,' discussing faith, personal struggles, and the need for a spiritual revolution. Wilson explores the intersection of faith and authenticity in Hollywood, challenges societal views on mortality, and emphasizes joy as a conscious choice, inviting listeners to rethink community and shared values among world religions.

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Apr 4, 2025 • 1h 2min
202: Unabridged Interview: Marisa Franco
In this engaging discussion, Marisa Franco, a New York Times bestselling author and friendship expert, emphasizes the critical importance of friendship for overall well-being. She reveals startling research showing loneliness's harmful effects, likening it to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. Franco shares insights into the 'liking gap'—how we often underestimate others' appreciation—and offers practical advice on cultivating meaningful connections. She explores the nuances of vulnerability in relationships, as well as the changing dynamics of male friendships, encouraging listeners to embrace bravery in building new bonds.

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Mar 31, 2025 • 54min
202: Marisa Franco: How to Make (and Keep) Friends According To Science
Marisa Franco, a psychologist and author of the bestseller "Platonic," explores the vital role friendship plays in well-being. She highlights that loneliness can be as harmful as smoking 15 cigarettes a day. Franco provides actionable tips for making and sustaining friendships, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability and authenticity. She discusses attachment theory and its influence on adult relationships, while also addressing how to manage anger and foster intimacy among friends. Listeners will gain insights into rekindling and deepening their connections.

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Mar 28, 2025 • 1h 18min
201: Unabridged Interview: Drew Holcomb
Drew Holcomb, the singer-songwriter known for his storytelling, delves into the layers of life in a captivating chat. He emphasizes that the scarcity of life fuels our urgency for love and justice. His new album, 'Memory Bank,' reflects on personal experiences and the value of memories over material wealth, inspired by his father's wisdom. Drew also navigates the complexities of grief intertwined with faith, and he shares insights on maintaining authenticity in an industry often at odds with creativity. Excitement brews for an upcoming tour with Malcolm Gladwell.

Mar 24, 2025 • 54min
201: Drew Holcomb: All My Money Is in the Memory Bank
Drew Holcomb, a renowned singer-songwriter and frontman for Drew Holcomb and the Neighbors, shares his insight on finding value in life's fleeting moments. He reflects on the idea that memories are more valuable than material wealth, inspired by his father's words about the 'memory bank.' The conversation delves into coping with loss, the transformative power of creativity, and the importance of love and connections in the face of mortality. Excitement builds as Drew and Lee gear up for their upcoming tour, promising a blend of music, personal storytelling, and meaningful experiences.

Mar 21, 2025 • 1h 8min
200: Unabridged Interview: Jacques Pépin
Jacques Pépin, a celebrated chef known for his culinary expertise and collaborations with Julia Child, reflects on the profound role food plays in connecting people. He shares personal stories from his childhood in war-torn France, illustrating how sensory experiences with meals foster memories of home. Jacques discusses his journey from an ambitious apprentice to an innovative culinary leader in America, emphasizing food as a unifying force that transcends barriers. His insights invite listeners to appreciate the joy and community found in shared dining experiences.

Mar 17, 2025 • 55min
200: Jacques Pépin: Food and The Good Life
“Food is the great equalizer.” This is the mantra that has fueled the career of Jacques Pépin, who is respected as one of the finest chefs in the world. It has led him to cook for presidents and in world-class restaurants, and inspired him to write over thirty books. In this episode, he explains the role food plays in a flourishing life, describing how it breaks down barriers, builds community, and recalls us to ourselves, all while describing his own journey from a small French village to international culinary fame.Show Notes Resources: Jacques’s website “The French Chef” SNL sketch “La Technique” by Jacques Pépin Similar NSE episodes: Ben Cohen: Peace, Justice, Ice Cream Malcolm Gladwell: Becoming Malcolm Peter Harris and Jo Swinney: A Place at the Table PDF of Lee's Interview Notes Transcription Link Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. If your organization has a message that deserves to be heard, start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com. Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.
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Mar 14, 2025 • 1h 5min
199: Unabridged Interview: Francis Collins
This is our unabridged interview with Francis Collins. Francis Collins has led some of the most significant scientific initiatives of our time, including the Human Genome Project and the National Institutes of Health under three U.S. presidents. In his new book, The Road to Wisdom, Collins grapples with the erosion of public trust in science, the polarization of society, and the challenge of discerning truth in the modern age. In this conversation, Collins shares insights from his experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, his journey from atheism to Christian faith, and the importance of humility in the pursuit of knowledge. He reflects on his unlikely friendship with the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, the philosophical roots of truth skepticism, and the need for genuine dialogue across divides. Join us as we explore how wisdom, truth, science, and faith intersect—and why curiosity and compassion might just be the antidote to our age of distrust. Show Notes Resources: "The Road to Wisdom" by Francis Collins Similar NSE episodes: Quincy Byrdsong: Tuskegee, Healthcare, Justice Jennifer Wiseman: How Science Produces Wonder David Wilkinson: The (Not Really) War Between Science and Faith Rachel Held Evans, Francis Collins, and Ed Larson: Faith, Science, Humility PDF of Lee's Interview Notes Transcript of Abridged Episode Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. If your organization has a message that deserves to be heard, start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com. Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.
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Mar 10, 2025 • 55min
199: Francis Collins: The Road to Wisdom in an Age of Distrust
Francis Collins has led some of the most significant scientific initiatives of our time, including the Human Genome Project and the National Institutes of Health under three U.S. presidents. In his new book, The Road to Wisdom, Collins grapples with the erosion of public trust in science, the polarization of society, and the challenge of discerning truth in the modern age. In this conversation, Collins shares insights from his experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, his journey from atheism to Christian faith, and the importance of humility in the pursuit of knowledge. He reflects on his unlikely friendship with the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, the philosophical roots of truth skepticism, and the need for genuine dialogue across divides. Join us as we explore how wisdom, truth, science, and faith intersect—and why curiosity and compassion might just be the antidote to our age of distrust. Show Notes Resources: "The Road to Wisdom" by Francis Collins Similar NSE episodes: Quincy Byrdsong: Tuskegee, Healthcare, Justice Jennifer Wiseman: How Science Produces Wonder David Wilkinson: The (Not Really) War Between Science and Faith Rachel Held Evans, Francis Collins, and Ed Larson: Faith, Science, Humility PDF of Lee's Interview Notes Transcription Link Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. If your organization has a message that deserves to be heard, start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com. Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.
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Mar 7, 2025 • 1h 12min
198: Unabridged Interview: Nancy French
This is our unabridged interview with Nancy French. Nancy French has spent her career helping others tell their stories. As a five-time New York Times bestselling ghostwriter, she has worked with prominent conservatives, celebrities, and political figures. But in her new memoir, Ghosted: An American Story, Nancy turns the pen on herself, recounting her own journey through faith, politics, and personal betrayal. A lifelong conservative, Nancy never expected that standing against Donald Trump would lead to ostracism from her own community. Nor did she foresee how uncovering systemic abuse at a major Christian camp would result in personal vitriol toward her. In this deeply honest conversation, Nancy and Lee discuss the personal cost of truth-telling, the cultural divide in America, and how faith can persist even amid profound disappointment. Show Notes Resources: Ghosted: An American Story by Nancy French David French’s NYT column USA Today article: Kanakuk Abuse Investigation Gretchen Carlson’s work on NDAs, workplace harassment No More SAMHSA Similar NSE episodes: David French & Russell Moore: How Should Christians Do Politics Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear Kristin Du Mez sits with David French PDF of Lee's Interview Notes Transcript Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows Subscribe to episodes: Apple | Spotify | Amazon | Google | YouTubeFollow Us: Instagram | Twitter | Facebook | YouTubeFollow Lee: Instagram | TwitterJoin our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.
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