No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
Tokens Media
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
Episodes
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Oct 3, 2025 • 1h 5min
229: Unabridged Interview: Terence Lester
Terence Lester, an academic, activist, and founder of Love Beyond Walls, shares his profound journey from homelessness to educational advocate. He recounts a month living unhoused, highlighting human connection amid struggle. Discussing generational trauma, he illustrates its impact on education and community. Lester emphasizes that poverty transcends economics, being also cultural and emotional, while advocating for compassion and justice. His work illustrates the power of storytelling and the vital role of supportive communities in fostering resilience.
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Oct 1, 2025 • 44min
The Subtext: Friendship Recession
Friendships are in decline, even in our hyper-connected world. Savannah and Lee discuss how technology has transformed bonds into luxuries rather than necessities. They explore the concept of the 'friendship recession' fueled by workism and rising screen time. Through Aristotle's wisdom, they argue that true friendship nurtures virtue. The hosts highlight the importance of intentionality in cultivating friendships, especially among men. Closing with personal anecdotes, they emphasize that enduring friendships are vital for well-being.
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Sep 29, 2025 • 52min
229: Terence Lester: Human Flourishing, Self Development, and the Common Good
Terence Lester, a scholar, activist, and founder of Love Beyond Walls, shares his powerful journey from living under a bridge to advocating for the unhoused. He discusses the impact of trauma on education and the importance of community in fostering human flourishing. Through storytelling, he highlights the cultural, emotional, and spiritual dimensions of poverty, while emphasizing that compassion and courage are essential for serving the common good. His insights on generational trauma and the role of mentors provide a compelling look at resilience and hope.
Sep 26, 2025 • 1h 7min
228: Unabridged Interview: Jen Hatmaker
In this insightful conversation, Jen Hatmaker, a fourteen-time author and former evangelical speaker, shares her transformative journey following her husband's infidelity. She discusses the importance of grief and self-awareness in the process of reinvention, detailing how her upbringing affected her relationship with emotions. Jen emphasizes reclaiming body wisdom and the need for sincere faith, while critiquing performative worship and exploring the complexities of codependency. She ultimately advocates for self-compassion and befriending oneself on the path to healing.
Sep 24, 2025 • 50min
The Subtext: America’s Sweethearts: Pom Poms and Pay Gaps
The discussion opens with a look at the Netflix series exploring cheerleaders and their push for fair wages. It dives deep into how bodies in sports are commodified and the alarming gender pay gap in professional arenas. The hosts also tackle different types of justice, highlighting the need for systemic critiques beyond contractual fairness. A humorous public service announcement about skunks lightens the mood, while reflections on Christian views of wealth raise thought-provoking questions about systemic inequality.
Sep 22, 2025 • 51min
228: Jen Hatmaker: When Everything Breaks: Grief, Growth, and Human Flourishing
Jen Hatmaker, a four-time New York Times bestselling author, shares her transformative journey after discovering her husband's infidelity. She discusses the challenges of grief and the importance of self-awareness, revealing how she navigated through pain to reclaim her sense of self. The conversation highlights the impact of codependency, the necessity of befriending oneself, and the power of body awareness in healing. Hatmaker's candid reflections on vulnerability and growth resonate deeply as she explores what it means to live authentically when everything falls apart.
Sep 19, 2025 • 1h 17min
227: Unabridged Interview: Max Lucado
In this engaging conversation, bestseller Max Lucado, known as "America’s Pastor," shares insights from his life and over 40 books. He reflects on his challenging West Texas childhood and the impact of mental health on his family, particularly his mother’s struggles with undiagnosed depression. Max discusses his new book, Tame Your Thoughts, emphasizing its blend of neuroscience and spirituality to combat youth anxiety. He also candidly addresses his avoidance of political discourse and the ethical implications of speech within evangelicalism.
Sep 17, 2025 • 49min
The Subtext: Keeping the Man in Superman
Dive into a fresh take on Superman, exploring how his emotional vulnerability reshapes traditional superhero narratives. The discussion tackles the fine line between strength and perceived weakness, challenging outdated gender stereotypes. Reflecting on faith and vulnerability, the hosts connect these themes to broader societal values. Personal anecdotes about family life and humorous ads add a light-hearted touch, making for an engaging conversation about media's impact on moral understanding.
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Sep 15, 2025 • 52min
227: Max Lucado: “America’s Pastor” on How to Tame Your Thoughts
Max Lucado, known as 'America's Pastor', shares how his turbulent childhood in West Texas shaped his life’s message of grace and acceptance. He discusses his battles with guilt and alcoholism during his teenage years and how these experiences inform his powerful new book, Tame Your Thoughts. The conversation dives into themes of self-awareness and 'picky thinking' as tools for healing. Lucado also reflects on writing his best-selling children's book, You Are Special, which resonates with anyone who has felt judged or invisible, emphasizing the transformative power of stories.
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Sep 12, 2025 • 1h 8min
226: Unabridged Interview: Amy Sherman
In this insightful conversation, Amy Sherman, a Senior Fellow at the Sagamore Institute, discusses her vision for faith communities contributing to civic renewal. She presents a compelling framework of six 'endowments' vital for a thriving society. Sherman explores how churches can engage with education and justice, reshape public life, and invest in beauty and livability. Emphasizing the importance of shalom, she calls for a faith that actively participates in societal transformation, encouraging a holistic approach to community well-being and flourishing.
