No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp 228: Unabridged Interview: Jen Hatmaker
Sep 26, 2025
In this insightful conversation, Jen Hatmaker, a fourteen-time author and former evangelical speaker, shares her transformative journey following her husband's infidelity. She discusses the importance of grief and self-awareness in the process of reinvention, detailing how her upbringing affected her relationship with emotions. Jen emphasizes reclaiming body wisdom and the need for sincere faith, while critiquing performative worship and exploring the complexities of codependency. She ultimately advocates for self-compassion and befriending oneself on the path to healing.
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Discovery That Changed Everything
- Jen Hatmaker woke up in July 2020 to her husband voice-texting his girlfriend and calls that moment the end of her life as she knew it.
- She frames the memoir as both the before and after of that discovery and its aftermath.
Relearning Trust In The Body
- Hatmaker realized her upbringing taught her to distrust her body, feelings, and intuition as unreliable authorities.
- She began retraining trust in embodied wisdom through breath work, acupuncture, and meditation.
From Performance To A Relaxed Faith
- Hatmaker questions performative, emotive religion and seeks a faith that feels sincere and relaxed rather than anxious and perfection-driven.
- She cites Dallas Willard's one-word description of Jesus — "relaxed" — as transformative for her faith perspective.
