No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
Tokens Media
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
Episodes
Mentioned books
Dec 29, 2025 • 51min
242: Charles Duhigg: Why Habits Matter More Than You Think for Meaningful Living (Best of NSE)
Join Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and bestselling author Charles Duhigg as he delves into the surprising influence of habits on our character and happiness. He connects Aristotle's vision of virtue to modern habit science, emphasizing the importance of the cue-routine-reward loop for lasting change. Duhigg highlights keystone habits that trigger positive chain reactions in our lives and the difference between what we say we want and how we actually behave. Plus, he shares insights from his book Super Communicators on enhancing our relationships through better conversation.
22 snips
Dec 26, 2025 • 1h 15min
241: Unabridged Interview: Sharon McMahon
Sharon McMahon, known as "America's Government Teacher," is an educator and author dedicated to demystifying the U.S. political landscape. In this engaging conversation, she emphasizes the power of nonpartisan discourse and informed civic participation. Sharon shares her experiences from the classroom, advocating for critical thinking over indoctrination. She discusses the necessity of amending the Constitution to reduce money in politics and reflects on her personal journey through hate messages while promoting kindness and resilience.
8 snips
Dec 22, 2025 • 53min
241: What Stayed With Us: Conversations That Shaped 2025
Sheryl Crow, a Grammy-winning musician, shares her journey of healing and authenticity, reflecting on childhood narratives that shaped her identity. She discusses the importance of naming early wounds and how therapy helps dismantle shame. The episode also highlights other inspiring stories, like how small acts of kindness can transform lives, reclaiming trust in our bodies, and staying human in an increasingly AI-driven world. Each narrative encourages listeners to cultivate personal growth and contribute to the greater good.
Dec 19, 2025 • 1h 11min
240: Unabridged Interview: Munther Isaac
Munther Isaac, a Palestinian Christian pastor and theologian, shares his profound insights on navigating faith amidst conflict. He discusses the challenge of loving one’s enemies while witnessing devastation, and emphasizes the importance of nonviolence and creative resistance in the face of oppression. Munther reflects on the dangers of becoming numb to suffering, the misuse of religious language, and critiques of historical narratives surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. His call for justice, hope, and authentic flourishing is a powerful message that resonates deeply.
Dec 17, 2025 • 48min
The Subtext: We Are (Estranged) Family
Family estrangement is on the rise, influenced by complex cultural shifts. Savannah and Lee explore how postmodern views change family dynamics and the role of digital culture in normalizing disconnection. They delve into the impact of privilege on relationships, discussing 'luxury beliefs' that enable cutting ties more easily. The duo also emphasizes the need for forgiveness as a path to freedom and offers practical advice for navigating family tensions, urging listeners to approach conflicts with curiosity and grace.
Dec 15, 2025 • 52min
240: Munther Isaac: Palestinian Christian Pastor on War, Hope, and Love
Munther Isaac, a Palestinian Lutheran pastor and author, shares his insights on navigating faith during wartime. He discusses the challenge of pastoring congregations amidst violence and the presence of God 'under the rubble' with the grieving. Munther argues for nonviolence and creative resistance, rejecting labels that distort moral perspectives. He reflects on the intersection of faith and political conflict, emphasizing the necessity of retaining humanity and love for one's enemies. His experiences illuminate the struggle for hope and justice in a devastated land.
Dec 12, 2025 • 58min
239: Unabridged Interview: Jeff Chu
In this engaging conversation, Jeff Chu, an award-winning journalist turned farmer and clergy, recounts his transformative journey from high-powered journalism to the Farminary. He delves into the profound question of life’s meaning, exploring how compost symbolizes redemption and hope. Jeff shares insights on vocational discernment, emphasizing the importance of community and patience. He highlights gardening as a practice that teaches humility and interdependence while redefining belonging and identity as a gay Chinese American. Friendship and the beauty of natural rhythms weave through his reflections.
10 snips
Dec 10, 2025 • 57min
The Subtext: Your Favorite Musician Isn't Real
AI is revolutionizing the music industry, with machine-generated artists topping charts and securing big record deals. Savannah and Lee discuss the implications for authenticity and ethics in artistic labor. They explore whether AI-generated music can be considered genuine art and examine how it affects our understanding of creativity. Business incentives for AI signings and the potential loss of human artistry are scrutinized. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of embodiment and the unique qualities that make human artists irreplaceable.
Dec 8, 2025 • 52min
239: Jeff Chu: Finding Meaning, Courage, and Beauty in the Dirt
In this conversation, Jeff Chu, an author, journalist, and ordained minister, shares his transformative journey from journalism to agrarian life. He reflects on his career crisis atop a Manhattan skyscraper, questioning the meaning of his work. At the Farminary, he learns that compost symbolizes hope and transformation. Jeff emphasizes the importance of belonging, slowing down to appreciate beauty, and the communal lessons of farming. He also discusses the value of friendship and the reclaiming of his cultural heritage through food, enriching his spiritual and vocational path.
Dec 5, 2025 • 1h 8min
238: Unabridged Interview: Hillary McBride
Hillary McBride, a clinical psychologist, researcher, and author focused on spirituality and mental health, delves into the nuances of spiritual trauma. She defines trauma as a complex interplay of too much too soon and not enough support, particularly in high-control religious settings. McBride addresses spiritual gaslighting, the lingering effects of harmful religious constructs, and the importance of embodiment in healing. She emphasizes reclaiming our inner voice and discusses the societal responsibilities that come with personal healing. Overall, it's a profound conversation about recovery and connection.
