No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
Tokens Media
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
Episodes
Mentioned books
Dec 10, 2025 • 57min
The Subtext: Your Favorite Musician Isn't Real
AI is revolutionizing the music industry, with machine-generated artists topping charts and securing big record deals. Savannah and Lee discuss the implications for authenticity and ethics in artistic labor. They explore whether AI-generated music can be considered genuine art and examine how it affects our understanding of creativity. Business incentives for AI signings and the potential loss of human artistry are scrutinized. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of embodiment and the unique qualities that make human artists irreplaceable.
Dec 8, 2025 • 52min
239: Jeff Chu: Finding Meaning, Courage, and Beauty in the Dirt
In this conversation, Jeff Chu, an author, journalist, and ordained minister, shares his transformative journey from journalism to agrarian life. He reflects on his career crisis atop a Manhattan skyscraper, questioning the meaning of his work. At the Farminary, he learns that compost symbolizes hope and transformation. Jeff emphasizes the importance of belonging, slowing down to appreciate beauty, and the communal lessons of farming. He also discusses the value of friendship and the reclaiming of his cultural heritage through food, enriching his spiritual and vocational path.
Dec 5, 2025 • 1h 8min
238: Unabridged Interview: Hillary McBride
Hillary McBride, a clinical psychologist, researcher, and author focused on spirituality and mental health, delves into the nuances of spiritual trauma. She defines trauma as a complex interplay of too much too soon and not enough support, particularly in high-control religious settings. McBride addresses spiritual gaslighting, the lingering effects of harmful religious constructs, and the importance of embodiment in healing. She emphasizes reclaiming our inner voice and discusses the societal responsibilities that come with personal healing. Overall, it's a profound conversation about recovery and connection.
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Dec 3, 2025 • 55min
The Subtext: Wicked: For Good
Dive into the enchanting world of Wicked, where friendship and belonging take center stage. Explore how Glinda and Elphaba's dynamic reveals deeper truths about fulfillment and authenticity. Discover the pitfalls of chasing superficial dreams and the impact of shame within in-groups. Unpack how propaganda shapes narratives and heroes, linking it to historical contexts. Plus, reflect on the balance between consent and freedom in relationships, and the moral courage found in true friendship.
Dec 1, 2025 • 52min
238: Hillary McBride: Healing the Hidden Wounds of Spiritual Trauma
In this conversation, Hillary McBride, a clinical psychologist specializing in spiritual trauma, delves into the complexities of healing from religious wounds. She discusses how harmful messages in faith communities can subtly fracture our sense of self. Hillary highlights the dangers of spiritual gaslighting and the use of fear-based imagery, like hell, as tools for control. She emphasizes the significance of grief and embodiment in the healing process, offering practical steps for reclaiming connection and meaning in our spiritual lives.
Nov 28, 2025 • 1h 11min
237: Unabridged Interview: Tara Brach
Tara Brach, a renowned psychologist and meditation teacher, shares her wisdom on mindfulness and emotional healing. She discusses the 'trance of unworthiness' that hinders connection and emphasizes the importance of self-compassion. Tara introduces the RAIN technique—Recognize, Allow, Investigate, Nurture—as a transformative practice for emotional reactivity. She reveals how understanding pain versus suffering can lead to personal growth and connection, advocating for radical acceptance as a path to healing and intimacy.
11 snips
Nov 24, 2025 • 51min
237: Three Practices to Give You Hope
Join Tara Brach, a meditation teacher renowned for her work on mindfulness, as she discusses self-compassion and healing the trance of unworthiness. Legendary folk singer Tom Paxton reflects on the vibrant Greenwich Village scene and the power of community in protest songs. Marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson champions the importance of imagination in tackling climate solutions, urging listeners to embrace hope through collective action. Together, they offer inspiring practices for personal growth, community connection, and civic involvement.
Nov 21, 2025 • 1h 9min
236: Unabridged Interview: Lara Love Hardin
Lara Love Hardin is a memoirist, literary agent, and prison-reform advocate whose bestselling book chronicles her journey through opioid addiction, incarceration, and recovery. She discusses how the real antidote to addiction is connection, supported by the Rat Park study. Lara shares her experiences of shame from public humiliation and her path to forgiveness, working alongside figures like Archbishop Tutu and the Dalai Lama. She emphasizes the transformative power of community, meditation, and storytelling in healing and finding purpose in life.
7 snips
Nov 19, 2025 • 55min
The Subtext: The Gospel According to Billie Eilish
Explore the fine line between entertainment and faith as hosts discuss whether Christians should indulge in shows like Love Island. Dive into the complex interpretation of slavery in the Bible and how personal experiences shape these views. Billie Eilish's striking pledge for wealth redistribution sparks a spirited conversation on generosity and societal responsibility. Plus, the duo tackles the persistence of poverty in America and even throws in a light-hearted take on Kim Kardashian's moon landing skepticism. It's a thought-provoking ride!
10 snips
Nov 17, 2025 • 52min
236: Lara Love Hardin: The Power of Community and Second Chances
Lara Love Hardin, a literary agent, author, and prison-reform advocate, shares her incredible journey from addiction to empowerment. She discusses how connection, not just sobriety, can heal. Lara recounts her experiences with shame and public humiliation, emphasizing the importance of community support during recovery. She highlights transformative practices like meditation and honest storytelling. Her collaborations with figures like Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama instilled lessons on forgiveness, showing that embracing all facets of life leads to profound healing and growth.
