
Secret Leaders with Dan Murray-Serter & Chris Donnelly
Dan Murray-Serter and Chris Donnelly are two serial entrepreneurs who've built, sold, scaled & failed companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In Secret Leaders we get inside the greatest minds and greatest moments in business, because we believe the best way to learn about business is to hear from the people who make it happen.Sponsored by Wise Business and Vanta.Contact: hello@secretleaders.com
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Apr 12, 2021 • 51min
How to land LeBron James & Michael Phelps in your first 100 customers - Will Ahmed, Founder of Whoop
Will Ahmed, Founder of Whoop, discusses his journey from training for the Harvard squash team to founding a billion-dollar wearable tech startup. He shares insights on building a resilient mindset, securing brand partnerships, overcoming competition from Amazon, and persuading mega stars like LeBron James to use his product.

Apr 5, 2021 • 54min
Trinny Woodall reveals her surprising, untold startup journey - from dotcom bust to beauty boom today
Most people recognise Trinny Woodall for being one half of Trinny and Susannah from their breakout TV show: What Not To Wear, but not many people know this side of her story. Trinny is a serial entrepreneur. She was a founder in the dotcom bubble back in the day, and is the founder of soaring makeup startup, Trinny London, which booked £42m of revenue in the last year. What happened? How did she get here?In today’s episode of Secret Leaders, Trinny shares her really surprising entrepreneurial journey that doesn’t get told.“Susannah and I started the idea [their first entrepreneurial venture], it was a very lucky break. And I did that for eight years. And then from that television came and then I started writing books and that whole part of my career, when I look back now, brought me to being the CEO of Trinny London.”It doesn’t matter if you’re a budding founder or a seasoned entrepreneur, this episode with Trinny is not to be missed. From hiring interns with a twinkle in their eye, to having to sell her clothes to fund her startup, to understanding the need for personalisation in a brand, Trinny has a wealth of experience every founder needs to hear. “Through building Trinny London, advice I always give to other entrepreneurs, younger entrepreneurs, is stay in your own lane. Because if you look too much at the competition, you dilute the uniqueness of your offering.”We chat about:
Her partnership with Susannah
The genesis of Trinny London
Financing Trinny London
How she handled fame
Creating a community on social media
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Mar 29, 2021 • 50min
Bloom & Wild: building world’s fastest growing flower company with Co-Founder & CEO Aron Gelbard
Aron Gelbard, Co-Founder & CEO of Bloom & Wild, shares how they became the leading flower company by focusing on customer trust and good reviews. They discuss European expansion, sustainability efforts, challenges as a founder, and potential for further company growth.

Mar 23, 2021 • 50min
Four top female founders reveal what it’s really like in the startup hot seat
To mark Women’s History Month, we’re serving you the secret sauce of four incredible female founders: Alice Bentinck, co-founder of Entrepreneur First; Debbie Wosskow, co-founder of AllBright; Saasha Celestial-One, co-founder of Olio; and Tamara Lohan, co-founder of Mr and Mrs Smith.Although the numbers for female-founded businesses are improving, it still remains that of the 6 million businesses in the UK, only 1/5 are run by women. There are twice as many male entrepreneurs as female ones. And only 1% of startup funding goes to female-founded businesses.“When I started, there was not a whiff of any kind of VC money specifically for female businesses, there were no female networking clubs, there were no female support groups, there was nothing.”In this one-off episode, recorded at our live event for International Women’s Day 2020, these founders share some of the toughest moments they’ve had in their careers, they discuss access to funding, and why there has never been a better time to become an entrepreneur, if you’re female. “I suppose my coping mechanism is to try and ignore [imposter syndrome] and just focus on solving the problems that will make my business better and more valuable, rather than constantly worrying about my own performance.”We chat about:
Their toughest moments as entrepreneurs
Funding as female entrepreneurs
The shifting gender balance
Tackling imposter syndrome
Links:
https://www.secretleaders.com/alice-bentinck
https://www.secretleaders.com/allbright-debbie-woskow
https://www.secretleaders.com/saasha-celestial-one
https://www.secretleaders.com/tamara-lohan
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Mar 16, 2021 • 53min
World’s youngest Dragon, with Michele Romanow, Co-Founder of Clearbanc
You can’t take your ears off our guest today. Born and raised in Canada, Michele Romanow has been building startups since university (a cafe which still operates today) followed by a venture in an industry she knew nothing about - caviar - right when the 2008 financial crisis struck.“There I am, 21 years old, selling the world's most unnecessary luxury product. I realised the world owes you absolutely nothing, that everything can fall apart in a second, that it can be your fault. It can be the market's fault, it doesn't matter. But I was gonna have to pivot if I wanted it to be successful.”And pivot she did. From Buytopia, to SnapSaves (acquired by Groupon), to Dragons’ Den Canada (‘I was the youngest Dragon ever’), to co-founding Clearbanc - Michele has done so much in such a short space of time.She co-founded Clearbanc having seen dozens of similar pitches on Dragons’ Den. The idea is that ecommerce founders no longer have to give up equity in exchange for capital. Instead Clearbanc invests and gets paid back from revenues with a 6% - 12% fee on top. “We have now invested more than $1.6 billion into 4,000 different founders around the world. We have backed eight times more women than the venture capital industry average.”What a story. We hope you enjoy it.If you like what we’re doing please subscribe or follow Secret Leaders. We chat about:
Starting her career in cafes and caviar
From Dragons’ Den to Clearbanc
The struggle of financing Clearbanc
The hardest part of being an entrepreneur
Never be comfortable
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Mar 9, 2021 • 51min
From living on benefits to the American dream, with Pipe Co-Founder Harry Hurst
“I was a young kid with a family on government benefits living off £600 a month. I was surrounded by people that could afford private school. And from a naive child's perspective, they seemed to have everything that I didn't have when I went home to my reality. But I think that was the formation of Harry Hurst, the hungry, ambitious, immigrant entrepreneur.”Today’s Secret Leader, Harry Hurst, has been hustling ever since he was kid - and he’s had to. He credits his poor upbringing for his entrepreneurial spirit - and with two hugely successful startups to his name (Skurt and Pipe), he’s not only someone who’s risked everything - he knows what it takes to build a special company. With co-founder Josh Mangel, he founded Skurt, an on-demand car rental service, later acquired by fair.com in 2014. They subsequently co-founded Pipe, a trading platform for a new asset class - recurring revenue - in 2019. “You've obviously seen the press announcement how we ended up raising $50 million from all of these strategic [partnerships], it's Shopify, Slack, HubSpot.”But it’s not all been plain sailing for Harry. He’s had his back to the wall on many occasions but in 2016 he experienced one of the toughest moments of his life when he was hit with severe anxiety. From his humble beginnings, to starting and selling Skurt, to founding Pipe, dealing with mental health and the importance of sharing ideas, Harry is open, frank and honest about his crazy journey.“Don't hold back on discussing the ideas that you have, if you want to be a founder. It pains me when people say to me, ‘I've got this amazing idea, but I can't talk about it’. I think that's gonna hold you back.”Download and listen to this truly fascinating, rags to riches story.We chat about:
The origins of Harry Hurst, entrepreneur
Founding Skurt and Pipe
Harry the leader at Skurt v Harry the leader at Pipe
Experiencing anxiety
Don’t hold back on your ideas
Links:
www.fair.com
www.pipe.com
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Mar 2, 2021 • 39min
Former Monzo CEO Tom Blomfield on falling out of love with your work
Former Monzo CEO Tom Blomfield, known for his fintech expertise, discusses the challenges of scaling a startup, the impact of stress on mental health, and the decision to leave Monzo after building it for 6 years. He highlights the importance of prioritizing people, launching early to validate products, and building an authentic brand. The episode also touches on topics like competitor analysis, challenges of managing a large company, and the concept of burnout.

Feb 23, 2021 • 1min
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Feb 9, 2021 • 40min
CERN scientist turned founder - Natural Cycles CEO Elina Berglund
“There's no birth control method that is 100% effective and Natural Cycles is as similarly effective as the pill. So it's 93% effective with typical use, and 98% effective with perfect use, meaning that you use protection on the days that the app says.”Before becoming CEO and co-founder of Natural Cycles, the world’s first and only app to be certified as a contraception both in Europe and in the US, today’s Secret Leader, Dr Elina Berglund, was part of the team that discovered the Higgs boson at CERN, which led to the Nobel Prize in physics in 2013. “I felt like with my understanding of data from particle physics, I can actually develop an algorithm that also learns cycle to cycle and applies more advanced statistical methods to say like, well, I'm definitely not fertile today.”Elina was looking for an effective natural contraceptive and applied her skills from particle physics to create an algorithm that could accurately pinpoint when a woman is fertile. Elina is now on a mission to pioneer women’s health with research and passion, empowering women with the knowledge they need to take charge of their health. From how to found an app and work with your husband, to building the algorithm without being in beta mode, dealing with unwanted pregnancies while using the app, to her biggest mistakes in the early days. Don’t miss Elina sharing her journey of how she created a product that fundamentally changed the way we choose to live our lives. “Now I'm looking back at it, I should have listened to my gut more, because my gut was telling me, this doesn't feel right, something feels difficult, this feels heavy. Now when things are actually going well, it feels easy, it doesn't feel hard anymore. So I think I should have listened to my gut and changed things faster.”We chat about:
The transition from CERN to contraception
How to build trust with the first users
Funding and financing Natural Cycles
Dealing with unwanted pregnancies
Bringing wearable contraception to market
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Feb 2, 2021 • 42min
Grace Beverley, 23, author, influencer & founder of TALA & SHREDDY
“Both my businesses have really strong values. And those have evolved pretty naturally from my growth coming into those interests of sustainability, of ethics, and saying, well, if I'm consuming something, that's one thing, but if I'm selling it, that's a whole other thing.”Today’s guest on Secret Leaders is not your average 23 year old. Grace Beverley is a Natwest GBEA Young Entrepreneur of the Year and founder of two brands, Tala and Shreddy. A successful female entrepreneur, Grace is shaking up the archaic business world. With a global reach of over 1.5 million, she’s been named first in Forbes 30 under 30’s retail and e-commerce list, at just twenty-three. At The University of Oxford she set up her first company, B_ND, a vegan friendly resistance band company which has since come under the Shreddy umbrella, an app that gives you workout plans you’ll actually like. And Tala, a sustainable activewear brand that is flying off shelves. But that’s not all, she’s also written a book due out in April called, Working Hard and Hardly Working. “Everything that we produce is going to be vegan. And that's what we set from the offset. And that was part of our purpose and our pillars and our values. And yet, obviously, that evolved to be so much more than that.”From influencer, to founding B_ND at The University of Oxford, to becoming CEO of two companies. Today’s episode charts Grace’s entrepreneurial journey, how her personal growth perspective has shaped her businesses, and how she’s learned to be a better leader by saying ‘I don’t know’. “I made this commitment a few years ago when I realised that, okay, I have this opportunity here to travel the world and take pictures for a living. And I don't enjoy that.”We chat about:
The genesis of Tala and Shreddy
Being an influencer
How her two companies overlap
Working Hard, Hardly Working
The gender divide on social media
Why you need to define success for yourself
Links:Book - Working Hard, Hardly Working
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