

The Smart Real Estate Coach Podcast|Real Estate Investing
Chris Prefontaine
Welcome to the Smart Real Estate Coach podcast. Our episodes are designed to help YOU reach the next level of real estate investing no matter where you are right now.
To make this a reality, we lean into our 32+ years of experience, our huge network of experts, and our thriving community of Associates. With the right tools, the right education, and the right mindset YOU can take control of your financial future.
At Smart Real Estate Coach, we empower individuals and families to create the life of their dreams through real estate.
If you are an aspiring or seasoned real estate investor looking for a proven investment system, robust education, and a thriving support community, you have come to the right place.
We share the best information from our own deals, our Associate's deals, and our guest experts, helping you potentially save hundreds of thousands of dollars in costly mistakes.
And we know what the work actually takes. Between our Associates and our own deals, we’re still completing deals every month and control, at any given time between $60-100 million dollars worth of real estate with little to no money down. If you’re serious about making money in the world of real estate investment, then keep listening to learn more!
To make this a reality, we lean into our 32+ years of experience, our huge network of experts, and our thriving community of Associates. With the right tools, the right education, and the right mindset YOU can take control of your financial future.
At Smart Real Estate Coach, we empower individuals and families to create the life of their dreams through real estate.
If you are an aspiring or seasoned real estate investor looking for a proven investment system, robust education, and a thriving support community, you have come to the right place.
We share the best information from our own deals, our Associate's deals, and our guest experts, helping you potentially save hundreds of thousands of dollars in costly mistakes.
And we know what the work actually takes. Between our Associates and our own deals, we’re still completing deals every month and control, at any given time between $60-100 million dollars worth of real estate with little to no money down. If you’re serious about making money in the world of real estate investment, then keep listening to learn more!
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May 28, 2025 • 28min
Episode 509: Why Real Estate Is Your Fastest Path to Freedom
In this engaging talk, listeners are prompted to reflect on their current mindset and commitment to real estate. The speaker reveals that success hinges not on external factors but on personal accountability. Now is the ideal time for creative real estate ventures, and self-assessment is encouraged to envision future possibilities. A historic outlook on rising property prices underscores the market's accessibility. Plus, the introduction of a helpful apprenticeship program adds valuable support for new investors.

May 21, 2025 • 29min
Episode 508: Strategic Tax Planning for Real Estate Investors with Thomas Castelli
On this week’s episode, I sit down with Thomas Castelli, real estate-focused CPA and partner at Hall CPA, to dive deep into real, practical tax strategies that can save investors thousands. If you’ve ever wondered whether your CPA is leaving money on the table, this episode will confirm your suspicion and give you the tools to fix it. Thomas shares eye-opening stories of tax returns gone wrong, the truth behind cost segregation and depreciation, and how strategic planning done proactively can unlock massive wealth preservation. Whether you’re a seasoned investor or just closing your first deal, these are the systems, mistakes, and mindset shifts that separate the average from the elite. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 02:41 From accounting student to real estate investor to real estate CPA 04:02 Why generalist CPAs often cost investors money 05:14 The myth of “you can’t take more than $25K in losses”—and how pros work around it 06:10 How depreciation offsets income and reduces your effective tax rate 07:17 The $50K case study: a CPA missed cost segregation, costing a client dearly 08:18 Advisory vs. compliance: why strategy beats paperwork 10:02 Common mistakes: missed depreciation, unreported insurance, and more 12:02 Opting out of bonus depreciation—when it helps and when it hurts 14:47 What is cost segregation? 18:12 Which items can be carved out in a cost seg: carpets, appliances, sheds & more 19:15 Should you run a cost seg if you plan to sell in 2 years? 21:36 Get in touch with Thomas and his team 22:26 Why real estate is the best long-term tax strategy in America 24:30 Tax planning isn’t a luxury—it’s your responsibility Quotables “Most CPAs are generalists. If they don’t live in real estate, they don’t know what to look for.” “Your tax return is a report card for what already happened. If you want to influence it, you have to act now.” “This is like surgery. You don’t do it yourself. You call the right specialist.” Links Tax Smart Real Estate Investors Podcast https://www.therealestatecpa.com/podcasts/ Hall CPA http://smartrealestatecoach.com/hallcpa QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

May 14, 2025 • 42min
Episode 507: Stop Wasting Leads & Use AI to Filter, Follow Up, and Fund Deals Faster with Damon Remy
In this high-impact episode, I sit down with Damon Remy, the visionary behind REI BlackBook, to dive deep into the real-world application of AI, automation, and CRM systems for real estate investors. We go far beyond the buzzwords and get into the trenches—how to actually use AI to find better deals, filter out tire kickers, and close more transactions with fewer headaches. Damon breaks down the 3 most powerful ways to integrate AI into your business today, why a CRM is your “central source of truth,” and how automation allows you to create predictability and freedom. Whether you’re a solopreneur trying to escape the hustle or a seasoned investor scaling your ops, this episode will give you a clear blueprint to simplify, systematize, and scale your real estate business. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 01:25 Damon’s backstory: from broke, broken home to military to entrepreneur 03:47 Why AI is overwhelming—but doesn’t have to be 05:51 Strategy vs. Tactics: start with strategy, not tools 07:26 3 key ways to use AI in real estate investing right now 09:16 What does conversational AI do? 11:50 Choosing tools that integrate with your stack to avoid “app overload” 14:31 The story behind REI BlackBook: solving inefficiency with all-in-one software 20:15 CRM as your “central source of truth” 21:50 Tracking KPIs: which marketing dollars are actually making you money? 23:25 Systems → People → Freedom (The E-Myth model in action) 28:26 The business vision of REI BlackBook 33:40 How AI can help simplify your business 35:40 Using an AI assistant vs an overseas VA Quotables “Grind doesn’t scale. Systems do.” “You don’t have to love tech. You just have to love freedom.” “If AI can book your appointment, filter your leads, and coach your calls… why wouldn’t you use it?” Links QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

May 7, 2025 • 24min
Episode 506: The 9 Traits That Makes a Successful Real Estate Investor
What separates those who just dabble in real estate from those who build real freedom? After a decade in the business, coaching thousands of students, and scaling my own portfolio—I can tell you this: success isn’t about talent. It’s about traits. In today’s solo episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on the 9 traits that our most successful associates, apprentices, and real estate partners demonstrate every day. These traits aren’t flashy. They’re foundational. And they’ll change the way you operate if you commit to them. Whether you’re brand new or scaling your real estate business, this episode will help you self-audit your habits, refocus your energy, and get real about what it takes to win. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 01:01 The mission of Smart Real Estate Coach 02:07 The Genius Model: mindset, skillset, and systems 03:05 Why success requires delivering 3x the value to 3x your income 05:27 The 9 traits of success 07:05 Trait #1: Show up 08:10 Trait #2: Commitment 11:50 Trait #3: Be vulnerable enough to be critiqued (ACAA: Action, Critique, Adjustment, Action) 13:23 Trait #4: Leverage your mentor 14:29 Trair #5: Personal accountability 15:41 Trait #6: Public accountability 17:16 Trait #8: Sacrifice 18:50 Trait #9: Weekly reflection 20:33 How these traits were built by students, not coaches Quotables “You’re not going to make $300K doing the same thing that got you to $100K. You have to become a different version of yourself.” “You can’t 10X your income without 10X’ing the value you bring to the market.” “Sacrifice doesn’t mean giving something up. It means trading something small for something greater.” Links QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Apr 30, 2025 • 39min
Episode 505: Seller Financing & Building a Fortune Without Cash or Credit with Matt Theriault
In this episode, I sit down with Matt Theriault, a Marine Corps veteran, entrepreneur, real estate investor, the CEO of Epic Real Estate and host of the Epic Real Estate Investing Podcast. Matt shares how he went from losing everything in the music industry to rebuilding his life and fortune through creative real estate strategies—without relying on his own credit or cash. We dig into his journey through financial hardship, how he found real estate after a devastating pivot, why seller financing is his favorite type of deal, and how building multiple income streams helped him create real freedom. Matt’s blunt, real-world advice about mindset, wealth-building, and taking action will fire you up if you’re ready to get serious about creating lasting wealth through real estate. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 02:45 Who is Matt Theriault? 04:04 How Napster crushed his first business overnight 06:47 Finding inspiration from a grocery store manager and discovering real estate 10:05 How Rich Dad, Poor Dad turned Matt’s life around 12:03 Starting creative real estate investing with no credit, no cash 14:09 Sourcing deals through small, highly targeted mailing lists 16:35 Escape: flipping the traditional wealth-building model 19:02 Why residual income > chasing a big pile of money 20:00 Matt’s favorite type of deal: seller financing with 0% interest 21:04 Advice for beginners: stop negotiating against yourself 23:57 Why lead flow matters and why some sellers want creative solutions 25:29 Matt’s transition into coaching and building another passive income stream 30:16 Remaining in the trenches: why Matt still does deals personally 31:18 Connect with Matt and get a copy of Escape 32:02 Final advice: don’t wait to own real estate—start today Quotables “Real estate is the final frontier where the average person has a legitimate shot at real wealth.” “Passive income should create your pile of money, not the other way around.” “Real wealth isn’t built on flash or hype – it’s built on boring, consistent cash flow.” Links Escape: Crushing Conventional Wisdom With Real Estate Investing https://myescapebook.com/escape-2 Epic Real Estate Investing Podcast https://www.youtube.com/@epicrealestate QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Apr 23, 2025 • 30min
Episode 504: How This Couple Closed Their First Sub-To Deal with Tim & Sandra Smith
In this FamilyCast episode, I’m joined by Tim and Sandra Smith, a power couple from upstate New York balancing a demanding W-2, medical challenges, and real estate success. Tim and Sandra share their journey from doing deals the traditional way to successfully closing their first creative financing deal with the Wicked Smart® community despite all the life chaos happening behind the scenes. We talk about the systems that helped them close the deal, how they sourced a buyer using our in-house platform, and why they’re excited about doing more rent-to-own deals instead of dealing with rental headaches. Plus, we share real, boots-on-the-ground insight into building something meaningful without having to go “full time” on day one. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 02:49 Tim and Sandra’s background: real estate since the late ’80s, nursing, and analytics 05:34 First creative deal: expired listing from MyPlusLeads 07:40 Seller motivation: first-time landlord overwhelmed by damage & eviction 09:52 Buyer marketing process: Craigslist, Facebook & Propsperity.io 11:27 Sifting through all the leads we generate from marketing properties 13:15 Their biggest aha: wait until after the viewing to pre-qualify the buyer 16:36 Structuring a 24-month rent-to-own term with the buyer 21:25 How they sold the deal before it even closed with the seller 22:21 Why you should join the QLS Live event in October 2025 24:03 Using Propsperity.io to automate tenant management 26:22 Words of wisdom: Don’t wait for perfect conditions—just start Quotables “When you build the system once, it becomes rinse and repeat, and we’re ready to do more.” “Everyone has life going on. But the Smiths didn’t let it stop them—they found a way to keep moving forward.” “The buyer was a foster family. They needed space. And our structure gave them that opportunity when a bank wouldn’t.” Links QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod Propsperity.io https://propsperity.io

Apr 16, 2025 • 38min
Episode 503: Closing a $26K Creative Finance Deal While Working Full-Time with David Albin
In this special FamilyCast episode, I sit down with David Albin, a high-performing member of our Wicked Smart® community who just closed his first creative real estate deal—while juggling a demanding W-2 job and family life. David brings a unique background to the table: 26 years in the military, 25 years in corporate accounting, and now he’s diving head-first into real estate investing using creative financing. If you’ve ever wondered, “Can I actually do this while working full time?” or “What happens after my first deal?”—this is your episode. We break down the real estate deal from start to finish, including how David landed the seller, how he sifted through buyers, and how he confidently closed a $26,000 payday—without ever owning the home. Plus, we unpack the incredible support system that helped him get there. Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Who is David Albin? 04:30 Why David decided to join the Wicked Smart community in 2023 06:00 How David incorporates real estate into his schedule 07:15 How the goal to supplement retirement grew 08:25 The power of community and camaraderie 11:20 What makes live events like QLS and In the Trenches so impactful 14:16 David’s first creative deal 16:46 Switching from owner financing to assign out 18:11 Listing the property and getting flooded with buyer inquiries 21:51 How Nick and the team helped him vet buyers using Next Step forms 26:49 REI BlackBook, tracking, and scripting for your deals 28:00 Building confidence through the support from the community 32:02 Lessons learned from the first deal 35:09 Why you need to get to the next live event: QLS Live 2024 Quotables “This started as a side hustle to build retirement savings. But once I did the first deal, I realized—it could replace the W-2.” “I felt like I was drowning at first. But once I got the scripts and the support, it clicked—and the deal closed fast.” “Getting to $26K on a property I never owned… that’ll change how you think about income.” Links QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Apr 9, 2025 • 42min
Episode 502: Creative Financing, Subject-To Deals & Generational Wealth with Dwan Bent-Twyford
Dwan Bent-Twyford, known as the Queen of Short Sales, shares her inspiring journey of overcoming a health crisis while revitalizing downtown Clinton, Iowa, with her husband. They discuss creative financing and the importance of being financially prepared for life's challenges. Dwan emphasizes the need for a resilient mindset and the power of community support in real estate investing. Tune in to hear about spotting hidden opportunities and creating generational wealth, all while transforming a small town, one block at a time.

Apr 2, 2025 • 37min
Episode 501: Business Owner vs. Investor: The Differences You Need to Know About with Dustin Heiner
In this week’s masterclass, we’re bringing back a powerhouse guest, Dustin Heiner. Dustin went from government employee to successfully unemployed by building a real estate business that runs without him and he’s on a mission to help a million people do the same. We talk about scaling a rental empire, shifting your mindset, busting through excuses, and most importantly — creating a business that gives you freedom. If you’re still on the fence about real estate, coaching, or taking the next step, this conversation is the wake-up call you didn’t know you needed. Dustin drops actionable nuggets, no-fluff frameworks, and the kind of real talk that will light a fire under you. Let’s dig in and get you moving toward your next quantum leap! Key Talking Points of the Episode 00:00 Introduction 01:49 Who is Dustin Heiner? 04:45 From Government Job to Real Estate Freedom 07:50 The differences of being an investor and a business owner 10:05 How helping others creates a sense of fulfillment 13:00 The mindset shift to help you change your outcomes 15:00 Tips to help with scaling across the country 18:00 The importance of building a team 21:00 What are the top 3 excuses that hold people back? 27:10 The ultimate hack to unlimited deals 28:30 Learn more from Dustin! Quotables “Your boss is never going to pay you what you’re worth because if they did, they’d go broke.” “The more people you serve, the better your life gets, and the more money you make.” “You don’t wait to buy real estate. You buy real estate and then you wait.” Links Dustin Heiner https://instagram.com/thedustinheiner Financial Freedom with Real Estate Investing https://masterpassiveincome.com/freecourse Text “RENTAL” to 33777 The Master Passive Income Podcast https://masterpassiveincome.com/podcast QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod

Mar 26, 2025 • 40min
Episode 500: Lessons & the Power of the Creative Real Estate Investing to Build Wealth
This episode is a special one, Wicked Smart listeners—episode 500! And to mark the occasion, we’re flipping the script. I step into the hot seat while three of our top Wicked Smart Coaches—Russell Ham, Mike Makredes, and Rick Abbiati—take over and put me on the spot with questions that dig deep into the journey, the lessons, and the long game of building a creative real estate business.We cover everything from how I’d start over today, to managing market shifts, scaling with the right hires, and why I believe so strongly in coaching. Whether you’re brand new or you’ve been grinding for years, you’ll hear hard-earned insight and practical tips that can help you go further, faster—with fewer bumps along the way. Timeline Summary [0:00] - Introduction [1:32] - How the creative real estate landscape has shifted—and why adaptability is key [3:02] - Why market changes don’t mean pivoting entirely, but shifting your approach [7:03] - The two hires I’d make on day one if I were starting over [10:32] - What kept me moving forward when everything felt like it was falling apart [15:45] - Stacking consistent habits vs. chasing shiny objects in real estate [18:13] - How I decide whether to cash out or hold long-term on a deal [23:24] - Why owner financing is still my favorite strategy for building wealth [27:57] - How coaching has impacted the business—and the personal growth of our team [34:00] - Our coaches share their transformations and biggest breakthroughs [37:39] - Looking ahead to QLS Live 2025 and what we’re bringing to Boston 5 Key Takeaways: 1. Adaptability is everything: Real estate markets shift, but success comes from knowing how to fish in new ponds—not switching your whole strategy. 2. Start with support: If I had to start over, I’d hire an executive assistant and a VA from day one to stay focused on high-value activities. 3. Stack before you pivot: Master one niche before jumping into another. Consistency always beats jumping from shiny object to shiny object. 4. Coaching isn’t just about deals: Coaching accelerates your growth, sharpens your skills, and gives you the confidence to lead. 5. Owner financing is a wealth builder: It may be harder to understand at first, but when structured right, it delivers six-figure paydays and long-term wins. LinksReal Estate Junkies: Coast 2 Coast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-estate-junkies-coast-2-coast/id1747965666 Episode 103: From Full-Time Job, 12 Hour Days to Full-Time Investor, with Mike Makredes https://sites.libsyn.com/101440/episode-103-from-full-time-job-12-hour-days-to-full-time-investor-with-mike-makredes Episode 371: Kickstarting Your Career in Creative Real Estate, with Rick Abbiati https://smartrealestatecoach.com/podcasts/rick-abbiati/ Episode 402: Creating a Gameplan, with Russell Ham https://smartrealestatecoach.com/podcasts/russell-ham-02/ Episode 466: Creative Real Estate Investing Strategies from a Professional with Russell Ham https://podcasts.apple.com/hr/podcast/episode-466-creative-real-estate-investing-strategies/id1266331428?i=1000663909186 Episode 461: $90,000 Real Estate Payday! with Rick Abbiati https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/episode-461-%2490-000-real-estate-payday-with-rick-abbiati/id1266331428?i=1000660303869 Episode 490: $1 Million in 4 Years with the 3 PayDay® Systems with Rick Abbiati https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/episode-490-%241-million-in-4-years-with-the-3/id1266331428?i=1000684073041 QLS Live https://qlslive.com Real Estate On Your Terms and Deal Structure Overtime https://wickedsmartbooks.com/podcast FREE Master’s Class http://smartrealestatecoach.com/masterspodcast FREE Strategy Session with Chris Pre http://smartrealestatecoach.com/actionpodcast QLS 4.0 https://smartrealestatecoach.com/qlspodcast Investor Resources https://smartrealestatecoach.com/resources Apprentice Program https://smartrealestatecoach.com/apprenticepodcast In the Trenches Bootcamp https://smartrealestatecoach.com/ittbpodcast 3 Paydays Virtual Event https://smartrealestatecoach.com/3paydayspodcast REI Blackbook https://smartrealestatecoach.com/REIBB-DD 7 Figures Funding https://smartrealestatecoach.com/7figures-pod