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Welcome to the Brave UX with Brendan Jarvis podcast, your go-to destination for exploring the intersection of UX research, design, and product. Do you share a passion for developing and launching products that deliver superior and ethical experiences? If so, join your host, Brendan Jarvis, as he talks to industry and thought leaders in UX, product management, and product design. Get inspired and informed, and challenge yourself to become a better leader and think outside the canvas, both in what you do and occasionally in who you are.
Latest episodes

Oct 11, 2021 âą 1h 14min
Dan Brown - Essential Mindsets for Being an Effective Designer
Dan Brown dives into the world of creative and collaborative mindsets, the importance of self-reflection in UX, and why we shouldnât be too rigid in our design process.
Highlights include:
- Which battles need to be fought in design and which donât?
- Why do we need to develop better Information Architecture skills?
- Do we rely too much on established design processes?
- What does it mean to be assertive in a positive way?
- Can you admit that you donât know and still be seen as an expert?
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Who is Dan Brown?
Dan is the Co-Founder and Principal of EightShapes, a user experience consultancy based in the Washington DC area, whose clients have included large enterprises like Capital One, 3M, and Sprint, as well as tech giants such as Google, eBay and Cisco.
Dan is the creator of âSurviving Design Projectsâ, a game that helps teams to improve their conflict management skills, as well as the incredibly useful âInformation Architecture Lensesâ, a deck of cards that helps designers to interrogate their IA in different ways.
He is also the author of three books (1) Communicating Design (2) Designing Together, and (3) Practical Design Discovery, all of which are widely considered to be essential reading for UX designers looking to communicate, collaborate and practice design more effectively.
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Find Dan here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danmbrown/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/brownorama/
Website: https://eightshapes.com/
Medium: https://medium.com/@brownorama
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Hosted by Brendan Jarvis:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/
Website: https://thespaceinbetween.co.nz/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/brendanjarvis/

Oct 4, 2021 âą 1h 4min
Jon Deragon - Leading UX Design in Vibrant South East Asia
Jon Deragon shares with us his UX design leadership journey in South East Asia, how to engage more effectively with stakeholders, and why we mustnât let life pass us by.
Highlights include:
- How are UX designers like music composers and ER doctors?
- What is it like being a Westerner living and working in Vietnam?
- How do you get past ânoâ from other stakeholders?
- What characterises a product that is alive versus one that is dead?
- How do you get past your ego when things arenât going well?
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Who is Jon Deragon?
Jon is the Head of Design at FPT Software in Ho Chi Minh City, one of Vietnamâs largest IT services companies, with over 20,000 employees.
When Jon joined FPT in May 2020, the business was heavily engineering focused and design was only practiced informally. Now, after what must have been a wild ride, he leads a practice of over 50 talented designers.
Before joining FPT Software, Jon held several Head, and Director level UX positions at a number of top Vietnamese, Indonesian, and Australian companies.
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Find Jon here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonderagon/
Website: https://jonderagon.com/
CafeScene: https://cafescene.com/
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Hosted by Brendan Jarvis:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/
Website: https://thespaceinbetween.co.nz/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/brendanjarvis/

Sep 27, 2021 âą 1h 10min
Koji Pereira - Living and Designing Outside the Comfort Zone
Koji Pereira tells his inspiring story of becoming a senior design leader for some of the worldâs hottest tech companies, against all the odds.
Highlights include:
- Whatâs enabled you to swim and not sink in tough situations?
- Why was Googleâs Orkut social network sunset?
- How can we make our products work for people who have low literacy?
- What hard lessons did you learn leading a startup?
- How did your team discover the idea for Files by Google?
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Who is Koji Pereira?
Koji is the host of the Cells & Pixels podcast and has recently joined Twitter, as a Senior Product Design Manager. There, he leads a talented team that is helping users to discover and find content, and other people that they care about on the social network.
Before Twitter, Koji was the Head of Design at Lyft Business. He also spent nearly a decade at Google, including roles as Head of Design for Googleâs original social network (Orkut) and Head of Design for the Curator Team, which included the design, launch, and growth of âFiles by Googleâ to over half-a-billion monthly active users.
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Find Koji here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kojieumesmo/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/kojieumesmo/
Website: https://bit.ly/2VEnG3P
Medium: https://medium.com/@kojipereira/
Cells & Pixels:
Website: https://cellsandpixels.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CellsandPixels/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cells.and.pixels/
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Liked what you heard and want to hear more? Subscribe and support the show by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts (or wherever you listen).
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespaceinbetw__n/
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Hosted by Brendan Jarvis:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/
Website: https://thespaceinbetween.co.nz/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/brendanjarvis/

Sep 20, 2021 âą 58min
Rich McCoy - Overcoming Fear and Leaning Into Creativity
Rich McCoy unpacks some formative experiences from the Kalahari Desert, how we can conquer our creative fears, and why designing lean creates value faster.
Highlights include:
- How has growing up in the Kalahari Desert shaped you?
- What does it mean to âget primalâ with design?
- How do we get over our fear of showing our work?
- What are some clues that product teams are out of alignment?
- How has Dyslexia influenced your creative practice?
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Who is Rich McCoy?
Rich is the Design Lead on Flying Blue, the loyalty rewards programme for KLM & Air France. Currently heâs managing to do that role working remotely, from the confines of a cupboard underneath a flight of stairs in New Zealand.
Before KLM & Air France, Rich was a Senior Manager of Design at Nationwide Building Society, in the United Kingdom. He also spent a number of years at Trade Me, New Zealandâs version of eBay, where he was a Design Lead responsible for the creative wellbeing of 13 other designers.
Rich also runs a coaching and mentoring practice for other creatives, and is a very talented and established Fine Artist, working through photography, sculpture, paint and digital mediums.
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Find Rich here:
Website: https://www.mccoy.co.uk/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardmccoy/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/McCoyDigital
Artwork: https://www.mccoy.co.uk/artist.php
Mentoring: https://www.mccoy.co.uk/creativementor.php
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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespaceinbetw__n/
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/

Sep 13, 2021 âą 58min
Sachi Taulelei - How Designâs Lack of Diversity Fuels Systemic Racism
Sachi Taulelei shares what itâs like to interview people at the end of their lives, why research methods need to adapt to cultural context, and the heavy cost of poor diversity in tech.
Highlights include:
- What is it like interviewing people at the end of their lives?
- How is researching with Pasifika peoples different?
- How have Pasifika been impacted by rapid digitisation?
- Why is diversity important on product teams?
- How are our biases in tech shaping a worse world?
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Who is Sachi Taulelei?
Sachi is the Design Centre of Expertise Lead (Head of Design) at ANZ, Aotearoa New Zealandâs largest bank. How large is large I hear you ask? ANZ represents 1% of New Zealandâs GDP, and employs 1 in 5 people who work in finance in New Zealand.
Her contributions have been recognised with Gold at the New Zealand Best Design Awards, and she has shared her knowledge at events such as UX Homegrown. Sachi also mentors Masters of UX Design students at the Wellington ICT Graduate School.
Sachi is widely respected and recognised as a design leader and as a leading voice for Pasifika people who work in design and technology.
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Find Sachi here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sachi-taulelei/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/sachitaulelei/
Resources:
Translating the digital divide by Sachi Taulelei:
https://bit.ly/3l3pigl
Ikigai:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikigai
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/

Sep 6, 2021 âą 1h 4min
Bob Baxley - Design is Much More than a Job
Bob Baxley reflects on his time as a design leader at Apple, why no one can name a famous product designer, and the importance of having conviction in your ideas.
Highlights include:
- What was it like presenting design work to Steve Jobs?
- Is a job in design more than a means to an end?
- Why was Dr. Seuss trying to kill Dick & Jane?
- What role does humility play in supporting ideas?
- How can you present design effectively to senior executives?
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Who is Bob Baxley?
Bob is a design executive who lives and works in Silicon Valley. He is currently the SVP of Design & Experience at ThoughtSpot, a business intelligence and data analytics platform.
Prior to ThoughtSpot, Bob was Head of Product Design at Pinterest where he built, led, and managed a multifaceted design team, responsible for both the consumer and business facing aspects of the product.
Bob also spent over eight years at Apple, where he served in senior leadership roles for Appleâs retail and e-commerce teams. As a Director of Design, Bob hired and led the creative team responsible for a broad variety of applications including the Apple Online Store.
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Find Bob here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbaxley/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/thisisbobbaxley/
Bobâs bok:
Making the Web Work: Designing Effective Web Applications -
https://amzn.to/2Wb0tq1
Bobâs talks:
A Universal Model for Deconstructing the User Interface -
https://youtu.be/WOQdO5vUfmo
Designing the machine that designs the designs -
https://youtu.be/0pJ8xfTmbKo
Conditions, Constraints, and Conviction -
https://youtu.be/BYPYVvnzWsI
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/

Aug 30, 2021 âą 1h 1min
Uday Gajendar - Increasing Your Influence and Impact as a Designer
Uday Gajendar dives deep into what it takes for enterprise design leaders to thrive, and calls on all designers to amplify human virtues through their work.
Highlights include:
â How is designing a political act?
â What is meta design and why does it matter?
â How can agile and design coexist to the benefit of all?
â Why do people want to kill your ideas and how to protect them?
â What are the three levels of design craft you need to master?
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Who is Uday Gajendar?
Uday is a UX Architect at Automation Anywhere, a San Jose, California based company that develops world-leading robotic process automation software.
Across his 20 year career, Uday has wrestled with design challenges in enterprise, startup, and agency contexts, including for well-known companies such as Adobe, Frog Design, Facebook, Netflix, LinkedIn, PayPal and Cisco.
Uday is a regular speaker at popular conferences and events, such as SXSW, UX Australia, and IxDA Interaction. He has also taught interaction design at San Jose State and served as a Stanford d.school executive coach.
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Find Uday here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/udanium/
Website: http://www.udanium.com/
Blog: https://udanium.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/udanium
đș The Rise of Meta-Design: A Starter Playbook -
https://bit.ly/2Wcf3xN
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
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Aug 23, 2021 âą 1h 6min
Lada Gorlenko - Engaging Stakeholders in UX Research
Lada Gorlenko speaks about high-stress research environments, how to effectively engage wth senior executives, and where great enterprise UXers come from.
Highlights include:
- How do you help your team to let go of perfectionism?
- Is enterprise UX boring compared to consumer UX?
- What did you learn studying murderers and drug offenders?
- How do you involve executives effectively in research?
- What are we not talking enough about in UX Research?
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Who is Lada Gorlenko?
Lada is a Senior Director of Research at MURAL, the digital workspace for visual collaboration thatâs experienced some crazy growth during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Prior to joining MURAL, Lada was the Director of Experience Research at Smartsheet, where she architected and enabled an organisation-wide customer-obsessed culture, while managing a team of UX researchers that supported 15 product pillars and multiple business units.
An organisational psychologist by training, Ladaâs research career began by working on programmes for the European Commission and European Union, before moving into Enterprise UX, where she started out as a VR Designer for British Telecom in the very-early 2000s.
It was during this time that Lada also co-founded the Interaction Design Association (IxDA), which grew to over 120,000 members.
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Find Lada here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ladagorlenko/
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
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Aug 16, 2021 âą 1h 23min
Steve Fisher - Content, Complacency & Courage
Steve Fisher opens up about the importance of diversity in technology, the challenges of design leadership, and the role conflict plays in making change.
Highlights include:
- How do you ensure diversity at the Design & Content Conference?
- Is conflict still the key in achieving positive momentum?
- How can new design leaders make a more effective start?
- What do you look for when hiring junior designers?
- How do you help others to understand the value of design?
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Who is Steve Fisher?
Steve is the Head of Product Design at Zipline, a San Francisco-based store operations platform thatâs designed to improve the lives of retail workers. He is also the Founder and Producer of the Design & Content Conference. A world-class event thatâs been held annually since 2015.
Before joining Zipline, Steve was the Head of Design and Senior Director of Strategic Programs at TELUS, one of the largest telcos in Canada. There, he was responsible for developing design culture and practice, at scale.
A sought-after speaker, Steve has presented at conferences around-the-world like TEDx, SXSW, Future of Web, Web Visions and DrupalCon.
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Find Steve here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hellofisher/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/hellofisher/
Website: https://republicofquality.com/
Design & Content Conference:
Website: https://content.design/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/dcontentconf/
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/

Aug 9, 2021 âą 1h 14min
Dave Malouf - Defending Design in Agile Environments
Dave Malouf gets real about the role of DesignOps, how to protect design from errant efficiency seekers, and the challenge of designing in agile environments.
Highlights include:
- What is the value of design?
- Why are we confused about what design is?
- What can design leaders do to better articulate the value of design?
- How can designers play to their strengths and stay relevant?
- Is DesignOps about making design more efficient?
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Who is Dave Malouf?
Dave is a veteran of digital design and a globally recognised design leader. He is also a pioneer of the field of Design Operations. In fact, heâs widely credited as the person who came up with the abbreviation DesignOps.
Across his 27 years in the field, Dave has held senior design leadership positions at well known enterprise companies such as Rackspace, Hewlett Packard, and Digital Ocean. He is currently the Director of Design Operations at Teladoc.
Dave was a Co-Founder and Board Member of the Interaction Design Association (IxDA). He is also the author of the Guide to UX Leadership, and What is DesignOps, and the Co-Author of the DesignOps Handbook.
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Find Dave here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmalouf/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/daveixd
Website: https://www.davemalouf.design/
Blog: https://medium.com/amplify-design
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Host: Brendan Jarvis
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendanjarvis/