
ReFi Podcast
The regenerative finance (ReFi) movement in web3 offers hope to both the climate conscious and the crypto-curious. At the intersection of these two unlikely worlds lies an ecosystem of innovation answering "How do we redesign money and heal the earth?"
Latest episodes

Dec 20, 2022 • 36min
Sep Kamvar from Celo & Mosaic
jE and Simar are joined by Sep, Co-Founder of Celo, for a beautiful journey of a conversation brimming with stories and metaphors that connect nature, humans, technology and money...
Topics covered include:
🎙 Sep's background
🎙 Mycelial Networks and their symmetry with Web3
🎙 Story/Technology
🎙 Blockchain Mental Models
🎙 The Vision for Money
🎙 And a whole lot more, see below...
Sep Co-Founder of Celo:
"The blockchain reminds us that money is just a technology, but money has always been a technology, which can change..."
https://celo.org/
Mentioned/References
We Feel Fine
http://www.wefeelfine.org/
Jonathan Harris
https://jjh.org/
Wild flower Montessori Schools Project
https://wildflowerschools.org/
The hidden life of trees
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hidden-Life-Trees-International-Communicate/dp/0008218439
Arthur Koestler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Koestler
Holons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)
Charles Eisenstein
https://charleseisenstein.org/
Sacred Economics - Charles Eisentstein
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Economics-Money-Society-Transition/dp/1583943978
Demurrage, Silvio Gessel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demurrage_(currency)
The Miracle of Wörgel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B6rgl#:~:text=W%C3%B6rgl%20was%20the%20site%20of,as%20Stamp%20Scrip%2C%20or%20Freigeld.
Rob Kalin Etsy founder
Etsy founder
The Story of Curitiba, Brazil
http://www.ggtrust.com/currency/curitiba-bus-tokens-and-garbage/#:~:text=The%20bus%20tokens%20were%20soon,of%201%2C200%20trees%E2%80%94each%20day!
00:00 Intro
04:16 We feel fine Project
06:35 Wild flower Montessori Schools Project
08:47 Celo Connect Talk, Mycelial Networks
11:55 Story is inextricably related to technology
17:00 Blockchain Mental Models
22:14 Vision for Money
28:55 Ecological Succession
32:21 The Story of Curitiba, Brazil
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https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
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Dec 16, 2022 • 1h 4min
Bear means BUIDL with Jahed from Cerulean Ventures
jE is joined by Jahed Momand, co-founder of Cerulean Ventures, for a deep-dive into his experiences, learnings, and insights that sit at the intersection of Climate & Web3.
Topics covered include:
🎙 Jahed's background and journey into the space
🎙 Forming the fund of Regen Network
🎙 Raising Money at Cerulean Ventures
🎙 Core Mental Models for founders in the Bear Market
🎙 The massive opportunities presenting themselves as a result of new climate legislations in the EU and US,
🎙 And a whole lot more, see below...
Follow Jahed, Co-Founder, Cerulean Ventures:
"I co-founded Cerulean Ventures with my partner Matthew Stotts. Cerulean Ventures backs crypto / web3 companies building the infrastructure and tools necessary to scale climate impact in this decade.
We take a deeply hands-on approach informed by our own experience and background as founders, helping our portfolio with everything from the technical (mechanism design, product management, data engineering) to marketing and operational (community engagement, governance, tokenomics design, recruiting).
I also actively contribute to DAOs, as a steward to both PrimeDAO and GnosisGuild."
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahedmomand/
https://mobile.twitter.com/cerulean_xyz
Individuals Mentioned:
Dan Ariely https://danariely.com/
John Light https://www.linkedin.com/in/lightcoin/
Gregory Landua https://twitter.com/gregory_landua
Ethan Buchmanhttps://twitter.com/buchmanster
BJ Fogg https://www.bjfogg.com/
Brianna Welsh https://twitter.com/briannaleewelsh
David Rodriguez https://twitter.com/davidjrodriguez
Cathie Wood https://twitter.com/CathieDWood
Mentioned:
Magalix https://www.linkedin.com/company/magalix/
Prime DAO https://www.prime.xyz/
Regen Network https://www.regen.network/
Regen Foundation https://regen.foundation/
Verra https://verra.org/
Gold Standard https://www.goldstandard.org/
American Carbon Registry https://americancarbonregistry.org/
Bio Carbon Registry https://biocarbonregistry.com/en/
Thallo https://www.thallo.io/
GreenTrade https://greentrade.tech/
Cosmos https://cosmos.network/
Cosmoverse https://cosmoverse.org/
Helium https://www.helium.com/
Twilio https://www.twilio.com/
Osmosis https://app.osmosis.zone/pools
Polygon https://polygon.technology/
Open Forest Protocol https://www.openforestprotocol.org/
Bankless https://www.bankless.com/
Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io/
Parachains https://wiki.polkadot.network/docs/learn-parachains
Mercy Corps Ventures https://www.mercycorps.org/
Reneum https://reneum.com/
Jasmine Energy https://www.jasmine.energy/
Helios DAO https://helios.eco/
Sustainable Bitcoin Protocol https://www.sustainablebtc.org/
COP https://cop27.eg/#/
World Climate Summit https://www.worldclimatesummit.org/
Draft Ventures https://draftvc.com/
00:00 Intro
01:53 Jahed's Journey
09:27 Shared Ownership
11:06 Regen Network Thesis
17:14 Impact Outcomes
19:57 Impact Claims
21:14 Cosmos Deep Dive
23:57 Cosmos App-Chain Thesis
27:05 Cosmos Use Case
33:40 State of ReFi in the Bear Market
41:14 User Research to Test Hypotheses
45:17 Unlocking the Next Cycle
49:51 Insetting
52:07 Renewable Energy Opportunity
54:58 Greening Bitcoin
58:58 Concluding Thoughts
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https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
https://twitter.com/simarsmangat
https://twitter.com/johnx25bd
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Dec 13, 2022 • 1h 2min
RECs Renaissance with Arkreen, Jasmine Energy & Reneum Institute
jE hosts ReFi Podcast's first ever live chat on Twitter Spaces, joined by ReFi pioneers Brianna, Dalton and Karl. With a live audience of 244 listeners from across the ReFi Nation, they take a deep dive into the new world of Renewable Energy Credits (RECs).
The chat covers:
The history and importance of RECs
Their role in Web3
Capital flow & Liquidity
And much more, see below...
Follow Brianna, Co-Founder, CEO at Renuem:
"Focused on #TheRegeneration. Tokenizing renewable energy to fund the energy transition!"
https://twitter.com/briannaleewelsh
https://reneum.com/
Follow Dalton, Co-Founder, CPO at Jasmine Energy:
"The time to move away from our reliance on fossil fuels for energy is now."
https://twitter.com/TDaltonC
https://www.jasmine.energy/
Follow Karl, Head of Commuity Growth at Arkreen:
"If we build it, the planet will regenerate." - Arkreen
https://twitter.com/karljweaver1
https://arkreen.com/
Twitter Spaces Guests:
https://twitter.com/solarpunkmaxi
https://twitter.com/lyricalpolymath
Mentioned:
https://www.helium.com/
https://flowcarbon.com
https://pick.flow3rs.io/auction
https://solarpunkdao.earth/
https://www.blocks.garden/
https://cop27.eg/
https://www.iea.org/
https://www.trescool.xyz/
00:00 intro
01:51 Brianna from Reneum
02:25 Dalton from Jasmine
04:12 RECs - Brianna
06:00 History of RECs
07:42 Karl from Arkreen
08:38 Why RECs are important now
10:24 Web3 role in REC market
15:14 Capital flows/Demand
18:46 Bottom layer and monitoring renewable energy
20:20 Liquidity added to markets
20:38 Liquification process
21:54 Voluntary market
22:55 Arkeen's approach to RECs
24:50 Incentivizing prosumers
25:12 Electrifying the economy
27:00 REC Value
29:50 Recs on-chain
33:35 Volume of on-chain supply
35:08 Spaces Q1 from @solarpunkmaxi
41:55 Spaces Q2 from Beltran, @lyricalpolymath
49:48 Spaces Q3 from @solarpunkmaxi
54:16 Spaces CTA from Beltran
https://blocks.garden
58:20 CTA
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#refi #web3 #climateaction #climate #nft #renewables #renewableenergy #blockchain #carbonmarket #onchain #investing

Dec 6, 2022 • 56min
ERC-Cool with Leanne from Tres Cool Labs
Johnx25bd is joined by Leanne Bats, founder of Tres Cool Labs and Co-Author of the new ERC-Cool Standard which is looking to embed climate action through carbon removal technologies into the cultural fabric of Web3.
The chat covers:
Leanne's background in marketing, psychology and sports...
Her calling into climate and web3...
The power of storytelling to galvanize climate action
And much more...
Meet the ERC-Cool.
An improved implementation on the Ethereum standard smart contract ERC721A, that weaves real world, perpetual carbon removal into any NFT use case that adopts it."
Find out more at https://trescool.xyz
Follow Leanne:
"After a cocktail of mother instinct, too little sleep and one too many climate documentaries,
I have been building... And I won't stop until climate action is the definition of cool."
https://twitter.com/leannebats
Mentioned in the show:
SBS Columbia https://sbs.tech/
Toucan https://toucan.earth/
How the World Really Works - Vaclav Smil https://www.amazon.com/How-World-Really-Works-Science/dp/0593297067
Sacred Economics - Charles Eisenstein https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Economics-Money-Society-Transition/dp/1583943978
00:00 Intro
01:13 Leanne's Journey
05:00 Sport & Web3 Connection
06:00 Why Climate?
08:00 Why Web3?
15:00 A digital world that fixes the physical world
20:24 Embedding Climate Action at the Base Layer
22:00 ERC-Cool Explainer
25:00 Green Hushing
30:46 How's ERC-Cool going?
32:28 How does it work?
36:10 The First Users
38:28 Storytelling
44:55 Mass Adoption
51:24 Mint of Intent
53:00 CTA
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Nov 28, 2022 • 1h 1min
State of The ReFi Nation with Rez from Solid World DAO
John Ellison is joined by Rez, co-founder of Solid World DAO and co-host of This Week in ReFi Podcast. They take a look at the last year in the world of ReFi, the Cambrian explosion of innovation at the intersection of climate and Web3. Where we are now, and where we are headed as we continue our collective ReFi journey together...
Mentioned in The Show
People
Stenver Jerkku. https://twitter.com/stenverjerkku
Companies
eAgronom https://eagronom.com/en/ghg-platform/
Solid World https://www.solid.world/
Toucan https://toucan.earth/
Verra https://verra.org/programs/verified-carbon-standard/
FTX https://cases.ra.kroll.com/FTX/
CTA Links
https://refijobs.com
https://future.quest/submit
Screenshares
https://www.klimadao.finance/
https://carbon.klimadao.finance/carbonmarket
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/GFSR/Issues/2022/10/11/global-financial-stability-report-october-2022
https://nasdaq.com/market-activity/index/comp
https://nasdaq.com/market-activity/index/comp
https://co2.earth
https://www.climatepolicyinitiative.org/publication/global-landscape-of-climate-finance-2021/
00:00 Intro
01:32 State of The ReFi Nation
03:04 Rez's Journey
08:45 JE's journey
12:45 Klima DAO launch
16:40 JE's time at Toucan
17:55 KlimaDAO Launch
19:20 NCT Launch
22:50 Verra pausing Tokenization
26:50 Verra Consultations & Gold Standard
33:40 Where are we now?
34:00 State of tokenized carbon
36:22 How we dealt with COVID-19
36:43 US Money Supply
38:26 Macro Finance, IMF GFSR
40:40 Tech Stocks
41:04 Tech Company Layoffs
43:03 Changing Narrative of Crypto
47:45 Atmospheric CO2
48:20 Global Co-ordination
55:40 The next chapter of ReFi
57:34 Future Quest 1M grant pool
Connect with Rez, check out Solid World Dao & This week in ReFi
Rez on Twitter https://twitter.com/0xRez
Solid World https://www.solid.world
This Week in ReFi https://twitter.com/ThisWeekInReFi

Nov 22, 2022 • 45min
Circular Economies with Ashley from Resource Finance
Simar is joined by Ashley from Resource Finance, who are taking the ancient behavior of bartering and mutual credit, and creating a set of tools to enable this to happen at a community and local level at scale.
The conversation unpacks:
- What Resource is
- Mutual Credit
- Ashley's story
- What regenerative economic systems look like now and in the future
- A whole lot more....
References
Peter Buffett https://www.peterbuffett.com
Charles Eisenstein: Sacred economics https://sacred-economics.com
The Ascent of Humanity https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/482505.The_Ascent_of_Humanity
David Casey https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidacasey
Resource Finance https://resource.finance
https://twitter.com/resource_fi
00:00 intro
01:32 What is resource?
03:45 Ashley’s journey
08:54 Initial insights on the broken economy
13:02 Origins of the protocol
19:25 What is Mutual Credit?
24:09 Credit/Debit
27:31 Communities on the Ground
31:12 Theory to Practice, discoveries
35:40 Key Educating Factors
37:50 Future Potential
42:13 What do you Value?
43:40 CTA
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Connect with Ashley and check out Resource Finance
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleybtaylor11
https://resource.finance
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Nov 15, 2022 • 1h
Speed & Scale with Ryan from Kleiner Perkins
As COP27 unfolds in Sharm El-Sheikh. John and Simar are joined by Ryan Panchadsaram, Co-Author of Speed & Scale, advisor at Kleiner Perkins,
and formerly Former U.S. Deputy Chief Technology Officer.
Drawing on Ryan's experience and knowledge they unpack :
- Ryan's backstory
- Speed & Scale as a blueprint and plan to mobilize collective action towards tackling the climate crisis
- Where and how technology can help service this mission
- A resounding CTA for both individuals, companies, and governments to strive towards the Climate goals being discussed at COP27
- A whole lot more... See below...
#cop27 #2030 #climateaction #unitednations
Individuals Mentioned:
John Doerr https://twitter.com/johndoerr
Todd Park https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-park-3232573/
Bill Gates https://twitter.com/billgates
Al Gore https://algore.com/
Christiana Figueres https://unfccc.int/about-us/the-executive-secretary/former-executive-secretary-ms-christiana-figueres
Companies/ Organizations/Gov Departments Mentioned:
KleinerPerkins https://www.kleinerperkins.com/
Speed & Scale https://speedandscale.com/tracker/
Department of Health and Human Services https://www.hhs.gov/
United States Digital Service https://www.usds.gov/
Rock Health https://rockhealth.com/
Unilever https://www.unilever.com/planet-and-society/climate-action/
Chevron https://www.chevron.com/
Shell https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/the-energy-future/our-climate-target.html#iframe=L3dlYmFwcHMvY2xpbWF0ZV9hbWJpdGlvbi8
NASA, Methane leaks https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/methane-super-emitters-mapped-by-nasa-s-new-earth-space-mission
FlowCarbon https://www.flowcarbon.com/
Climate Draft https://www.climatedraft.org/
Breakthrough Energy Ventures https://breakthroughenergy.org/
Lower carbon https://lowercarboncapital.com/
School of Sustainability Stanford https://sustainability.stanford.edu/
UN mentions:
The Paris agreement https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement
COP27 https://unfccc.int/cop27
COP26 https://ukcop26.org/ UN integrity Measures https://www.unglobalcompact.org/about/integrity-measures
OKRs https://www.whatmatters.com/
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
03:10 Ryan's Story
07:00 What are you most curious of?
09:16 Why Speed & Scale Exists
13:37 Solutions & Accelerants
16:25 What are you seeing since the plan is out?
19:30 Code reds Methane, Coal, Beef, Nature..
23:29 COP27
26:40 Coordination at a global level
29:30 Sustainability School of Stanford
32:44 Carbon Removal
35:36 View on Carbon Markets
41:00 Natural Market Trends
46:10 Growth/De-Growth
48:16 Re-designing Money & Deploying Capital
56:29 CTA
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Connect with Ryan and check out Speed & Scale
https://twitter.com/rypan
https://speedandscale.com
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Nov 8, 2022 • 57min
Ocean Metagenomics with Courtney and Gordon from New Atlantis DAO
John Ellison and Johnx25bd are joined by Courtney and Gordon for an insightful, exciting and deepening conversation about New Atlantis DAO. The two successful entrepreneurs have founded New Atlantis DAO with the goal of enabling the protection and regeneration of the Ocean. Through pioneering metagenomic data sampling the aim is to create a biodiversity market that will fund the regenerative projects that are sorely needed to secure the World's largest biome and carbon sink.
It's an amazing project that is inspiring Scientists to get involved and giving hope to a sector that has been neglected and under funded thus far...
Mentioned in the Show:
SmartyPants https://www.smartypantsvitamins.com/
Unilever https://www.unilever.com/
Only One https://only.one/
UN https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/oceans/
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/30x30-land-and-ocean-by-2030-explainer/
Kolektivo https://www.kolektivo.network/
00:00 Intro
03:05 The Problem with the Oceans
04:52 How did you stumble on this?
10:45 Political Landscape/Classes of Protection
13:50 What is the New Atlantis Solution?
19:10 Investor demand
28:00 The call to Contribute
31:46 User Journey/Actors
34:40 Sampling process metagenome explainer
39:46 How do you regenerate the Ocean?
46:10 Scientists reaction to New Atlantis Arrival
49:47 Urgency and Incentive
52:46 Looking Ahead/Get Involved
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Connect with Courtney & Gordon and get involved with New Atlantis
https://discord.com/invite/newatlantis
https://mobile.twitter.com/newatlantisdao
https://newatlantis.io/
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https://twitter.com/ReFiDAOist
https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
https://twitter.com/simarsmangat
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Nov 1, 2022 • 60min
Energy Transition with Brianna from Reneum
John and Simar are joined by Brianna for a hugely insightful and inspiring conversation about her work at Reneum, which will soon launch a green marketplace that will use the power of #web3 and #blockchain to fund #renewable energy. She shares the background story, future prospects and also the bigger picture of Renewable Energy Certificates and what's needed from all of us for the successful transition to green energy, and so much more...
Mentioned in the show:
Reneum https://reneum.com
92 Rio Summit https://www.un.org/en/conferences/environment/rio1992
Nori https://nori.com/
Hormesis Therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis
Jasmine energy. https://www.jasmine.energy/
Helios https://helios.eco/
00:00 Intro
03:36 Brianna's Journey
06:40 Transition from Business to ReFi Founder
09:48 Energy Transition and Climate Change
12:46 Claiming Renewable Energy Credit Process
16:50 Monitoring Tools
18:08 Future & Forward
21:05 Explained
23:53 Credit Lifecycle
28:15 Primary vs Secondary Market
31:00 Where's Reneum at and future roadmap
31:58 Incoming Beta Market place
41:05 Inner journey and staying well
44:10 Giving People their Agency Back
46:30 Projection to 2030
50:20 Fitting into the Big Picture
54:15 CTA for renewable Energy
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Connect with Brianna and check out Reneum
https://reneum.com
https://www.linkedin.com/company/reneum/?originalSubdomain=sg
https://www.linkedin.com/in/briannawelsh
https://twitter.com/briannaleewelsh
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https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
https://twitter.com/simarsmangat
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Oct 25, 2022 • 46min
Scaling Carbon Markets with Dana and Phil from Flowcarbon
John and Simar are joined by Dana & Phil from Flowcarbon and have a great chat about how their backgrounds led to the inception of Flowcarbon, the amazing work they've been doing to help project developers on the ground. The public consultation they've been leaning into and devoting so much time to with all the different voluntary carbon market participants. The background work that's gone into the new centrifuge pools for carbon forward projects, and what they expect to happen in the next six months for tokenizing assets and entering a new era of a liquid supply of carbon credits flowing both on and off-chain.
#web3 #blockchain #refi #carbonmarket #investing
Mentioned in the show
https://www.flowcarbon.com/
Charles Eisenstein https://sacred-economics.com/
00:00 Intro
02:32 Flowcarbon overview
05:30 Phil's background
07:47 Dana's background
11:53 Price discovery in carbon market
15:39 Two Way Bridge
22:08 Project Finance. Centrifuge
25:48 The Supply & Demand
29:16 The Projects on the Ground
30:40 Behind the Scenes
34:25 Whats Needed Before Mass Adoption
39:36 Future Forecast
44:05 CTA
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Connect with Dana & Phil:
Dana:
https://twitter.com/danagibber
https://www.linkedin.com/in/danasterngibber
Phil:
https://twitter.com/philfog
https://www.linkedin.com/in/philfog/
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https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
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