

Playing With Fire
Joli Hamilton
Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love.
We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity.
Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.
We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity.
Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.
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33 snips
Feb 3, 2024 • 58min
141 Being Polywise with Jessica Fern and David Cooley
Individuation, enmeshment, symbiosis, co-dependence, individualism, interdependence… how on Earth can we navigate through all these paradigms and bring balance to our relationships??
Luckily, in this episode, we’re joined by Jessica Fern and David Cooley, two all-star authors and practitioners in the non-monogamy space. We get into the nuances of individuation, and how to work towards differentiation in a way that is intentional instead of reactive.
We talk about the mono-mind (that sneaky thing is always causing trouble!!) and how it can be a barrier to individuation and healthy conflict resolution in non-monogamous relationships.
Jessica and David’s new book Polywise is a must-read. Learn more about it here!
Jessica Fern is a Psychotherapist, Certified Clinical Trauma Professional, and author of the book Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma, and NonMonomgamy and The Polysecure Workbook. In her international private practice, Jessica works with individuals, couples, and people in multiple-partner relationships who no longer want to be limited by their reactive patterns, cultural conditioning, insecure attachment styles, and past traumas, helping them to embody new possibilities in life and love.
Learn more at www.JessicaFern.com
David Cooley is a professional Restorative Justice facilitator,
diversity and privilege awareness trainer, and bilingual cultural
broker. He is the creator of the Restorative Relationship Conversations model, a process that transforms interpersonal conflict into deeper connection, intimacy and repair. In his private practice, David specializes in working with non-monogamous and LGBTQ partnerships, incorporating a variety of modalities including trauma-informed care, attachment theory, somatic practices, narrative theory, and mindfulness-based techniques.
To learn more about doing restorative partner work with David, visit his website here: www.restorativerelationship.com
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Playing With Fire has been featured as one of the top 5 best non-monogamy podcasts!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

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Jan 20, 2024 • 54min
140 [Replay] Balancing Individuation & Secure Attachment with Polysecure Author Jessica Fern
Jessica Fern, a psychotherapist and author specializing in non-monogamy and attachment theory, dives into the intricate balance between secure attachment and individuation. She discusses how awareness of attachment styles can reshape relationships, especially in non-monogamous contexts. Jealousy and parental guilt are explored, along with methods to address these emotions for healthier connections. Jessica also touches on shame and its link to trauma, emphasizing the need for self-compassion and effective communication in navigating complex relational dynamics.

Jan 13, 2024 • 48min
139 Hinge Skills Part 2: How to Go From Squeaky Hinge to Skilled Tapestry Weaver
Communication, transitions, new relationship energy, oh my! Being a hinge partner between multiple consensually non-monogamous relationships can be so overwhelming. Don’t worry—in this second episode of our hinge skills series, we’re diving even deeper into the skills you can develop that could take you from squeaky hinge to skillful tapestry weaver.
We discuss all the tricky aspects of polyamorous relationships and metamours—needs, boundaries, emotions, schedules, energy levels, the list goes on…—and how you can bring these various pieces into harmony.
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Playing With Fire has been featured as one of the top 5 best non-monogamy podcasts!
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

Jan 6, 2024 • 38min
138 How can I be a better hinge partner?
Feeling more like a doorstop than a hinge? We’ve been there. If you are the pivot point between multiple partners in a polyamorous relationship, you already know that it can be a challenging role to play.
In this episode, we're talking about what it means to be a hinge, and what skills you can build to help you fill this role. Highlights include: time management, boundary setting, responsibility, distress tolerance, and so much more.
Listen on to find out how you can strengthen your relationships with yourself, your partners, and your metamours!
Playing With Fire has been featured as one of the top 5 best non-monogamy podcasts!
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

Dec 23, 2023 • 37min
137 Handling the Stress of Relational Growth
Starting a new relationship, ending a relationship, negotiating within a partnership for the first time, practicing differentiation, having kids - all of these changes can be positive, exciting, and beneficial, but they can also bring up stress.
Making sense of all those conflicting emotions can be challenging. If you’re feeling stressed or overwhelmed by your relationship(s), that is SO OK!! And, this is the episode for you! We talk about a ton of powerful tools you can use to stay grounded while navigating relationship changes and growth.
Embracing your agency in the face of change is a huge part of the individuation work we talk so much about. Listen to learn more!
Playing With Fire has been featured as one of the top 5 best non-monogamy podcasts!
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

Dec 16, 2023 • 48min
136 Help, I got poly-bombed!
When one person in a monogamous relationship announces to their partner that they are polyamorous, it can be shocking, and it can bring up a lot of feelings. Some people call this “polybombing” - maybe you’ve heard the term before, maybe you’ve experienced it.
We know - from experience - that there are some pretty big dos and don’ts for this conversation, and in this episode we’re talking about how to present this information you’ve discovered about yourself in a way that fosters a sense of openness.
Don’t fret: there is SO much to learn about regulation and communication, and there are so many tools that can help you stay present during this kind of challenging conversation and the many others that come along with deep relationships!
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

Dec 9, 2023 • 35min
135 Veto Power: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Veto power: What is it? What are the pros of cons of using it in polyamorous relationships? Could the desire to exercise it be a relic from your monomind?
Spoiler alert: we aren’t fans of veto power. It can feel like a protective measure, but veto power can actually inhibit the trust and personal growth that makes relationships strong.
There are many ways to create safety and negotiate boundaries without having to incorporate a power imbalance into your love life—and we’re talking about them in this episode. We also share some of our own experiences with veto power, and answer a lot of questions you may have about metamours, negotiation, and much more.
If you’ve used veto power in your relationships before, it’s never to late to revisit the conversation—no matter how challenging that may be!
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

Dec 2, 2023 • 37min
134 Agreements, Boundaries, and Consequences
‘Agreements’ and ’consequences’ can feel like big scary words, but they are not the same things and ‘rules’ and ‘punishments.’ In fact, when you put these frameworks into practice, they can actually make you feel so much more security and relief.
We discuss why it’s important, especially in non-monogamous relationships, to have clear agreements, and to have clear next steps for what happens when those agreements are broken.
We walk through some example scenarios and discuss the benefits of proactive problem solving as opposed to leaving these important decisions to be made in the moment.
We also talk about needs, wants, boundaries, and ultimatums, and how having nuanced, regulated, intentional conversations about these subjects can create parameters for creative connection while maintaining ease and safety.
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com

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Nov 25, 2023 • 28min
133 Doing the Relationship Work
This podcast delves into the idea of relationship 'work' feeling more like play, emphasizing effort, attitude, and structure. It explores defining relationship purpose, using structured processes and tools, navigating clarity and connection, and seeking outside support for continuous growth in relationships.

Nov 18, 2023 • 32min
132 Why am I not enough?
If you’ve had a partner bring up the possibility of non-monogamy, and your reaction was - ‘why am I not enough?’ - you’re not alone. We dive into why this feeling comes up so often for people who are exploring non-monogamy, and we discuss what depth psychology can teach us about how to move through this painful feeling.
We share our personal experiences of feeling unvalued in relationships, and of struggling to support partners through their own feelings of low self-worth while moving through different stages of an open relationship.
This feeling doesn’t have to last forever—in fact, non-monogamy and the individuation work that comes with it can help you to address preexisting, underlying self-worth issues and foster a sense of stability and resilience.
Get the support you NEED to have the open relationship you WANT in my
year-long group program, The Year Of Opening. Go here now >>> www.TheYearOfOpening.com
Are you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.com


