

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
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Apr 1, 2022 • 1h 7min
104/ The Urgency of the IPCC Report w/ Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper
This is a conversation with Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper, both of whom worked on the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.
What we talked about:
What you should know about the most recent IPCC report
In-depth exploration of the IPCC report
Understanding vulnerabilities to climate change
What is Maladaptation? With examples
Who takes action?
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Resources Mentioned:
Climate activists asking Europe to abandon Russian oil
Recommended Books:
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami (Lisa)
Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie (Lisa)
At Risk: Natural Hazards, People's Vulnerability and Disasters by Piers M. Blaikie, Terry Cannon, Ian Davis and Ben Wisner (Lisa)
The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
Gun Island by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
The Gospel of the Eels by Patrik Svensson (Rupa)

Mar 25, 2022 • 1h 21min
🌻 Ukraine Special: 2. From Ukraine, with Love (and Anger) w/ Romeo Kokriatski
In light of what's been happening in Ukraine I am publishing a series of episodes that will bring in critical perspectives to understand what's happening and why it's happening.
The second episode is with Ukrainian journalist Romeo Kokriatski. He is managing editor at New Voice Ukraine, co-host of the Ukraine Without Hype podcast (go check it out) and has written for outlets such as Nihilist, Hromadske, Zaborona, and more.
PS: if my voice sounds weird here it's because I managed to get myself infected with COVID-19, so that's been fun.
Important note: this is not a news update. For news updates check the podcasts below:
Ukraine Without Hype by Romeo Kokriatski and A. Bartaway
Popular Front
Ukrainecast - BBC
The Ex-Worker
Talk Eastern Europe
Links on how to help Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1499492353261727760
+ https://twitter.com/Border_Violence/status/1497345941552209924
+ https://twitter.com/DocumentingMN/status/1498400897419956230
+ https://twitter.com/nii_ugre/status/1496846810761117700
+ https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity
+ https://wiki.avtonom.org/en/index.php/Donate
Support:
Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Mar 18, 2022 • 1h 8min
103/ The Periphery and Aimé Césaire's Ghosts in the Syrian Revolution w/ Fadi Bardawil
This is a conversation with Fadi Bardawil, his 2nd time on the podcast. Bardawil is an anthropologist who researches the Leftist tradition in the Arab world. In this episode, we talked about two essays he's written: "Forsaking the Syrian Revolution: An Anti-Imperialist Handbook" and "Critical Theory in a Minor Key to Take Stock of the Syrian Revolution".
What we talked about:
Thinking about the Syrian revolution
Aimé Césaire and Stalinism
Tension between Leftists in the Metropoles and Revolutionaries in the Peripheries
Learning from the Palestinian story
Domestic politics in the Metropoles becoming global politics
Focusing on wider trends instead of individual motives
Discourses that erase the Syrian revolution
Example of Hong Kong
Example of the Lebanese Left of the 60s
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
The Syrian Revolution: Between the Politics of Life and the Geopolitics of Death by Yasser Munif
الفظيع وتمثيله - ياسين الحاج صالح
Readings in Syrian Prison Literature: The Poetics of Human Rights by R. Shareah Taleghani

Mar 16, 2022 • 45min
ARCHIVE: the Legacy of Chemical Weapons from Halabja to Ghouta w/ Sabrîna Azad
Today we commemorate the 1988 #HalabjaGenocide of Kurds by the Saddam Hussein regime.
I'm re-sharing Sabrîna Azad's 2020 episode on the long-term effects of chemical weapons and the shared trauma and solidarity between Halabja and Ghouta.
Azad is a writer who published a moving piece for Mangal Media entitled ‘From Halabja to Ghouta‘ in which she looked at how deniers of Assad’s war crimes in Syria were evoking painful memories for survivors of Saddam Hussein’s genocidal campaigns against Kurds. She spoke about the legacy of the Halabja massacre, part of the Anfal genocide of the late 80s, as well as the 1991 uprisings against Saddam and why they offer better insight into the world’s reaction to Syria since 2011 than the more frequently mentioned 2003 invasion of Iraq does.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Mar 11, 2022 • 1h 27min
102/ On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body w/ Amro Ali
This is a conversation with Amro Ali, author of the essay "On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body in Berlin." He is also co-president of the Arab-German Young Academy of Sciences and Humanities, research fellow at the Freie Universität Berlin, and lecturer in sociology at the American University in Cairo (AUC).
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimesWebsite: http://www.thefirethesetimes.com
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
Moving from the centers to the peripheries
Why Berlin? And not London, Paris, New York or Istanbul
Berlin as an incomplete city and Germany's past
Germany and the Arabs
The Koblenz trial, accountability in Germany (but not in the Arab world)
January 25 and the legacy of the Arab Spring for the exile body
Home as the place where all attempts to escape cease
Valuing public spaces
Survivor's guilt and impostor's syndrome
Challenges faced by Arabs and other non-white people in Berlin
Meeting other Arabs for the first time in Europe
The need for a connection between Berlin and other capitals, such as Beirut or Tunis
Politics of language and the use of Arabic in the diaspora
Recommended Books:
City of Exiles: Berlin from the outside in by Stuart Braun
Representations of the Intellectual by Edward W. Said
Exile, Statelessness, and Migration: Playing Chess with History from Hannah Arendt to Isaiah Berlin by Seyla Benhabib
Resources Mentioned:
The Der Spiegel article: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/witness-defendant-deserter-case-in-germany-raises-questions-about-how-to-try-assad-s-atrocities-a-43d2817e-d85b-4378-b158-0c5001c345eb
Branch 251 Podcast
Previous episodes mentioned:
My Father and Syria’s Forcibly Disappeared (With Wafa Mustafa)
Space Travel, Nostalgia, and Retrofuturism (With Nat Muller)
That Cairo Concert, Mental Health and Growing Up Queer in Lebanon (With Hamed Sinno)
Why I stopped writing about Syria (With Asser Khattab)
Queerness, Literature and Revolution (With Saleem Haddad)

Mar 7, 2022 • 56min
🌻 Ukraine Special: 1. A View From Syria w/ Leila Al-Shami
In light of what's been happening in Ukraine I am publishing a series of episodes that will, hopefully, bring in perspectives that are usually not platformed.
The first episode is with British-Syrian writer and activist Leila Al-Shami. She's the co-author of the book "Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War."
Important note: this is not a news update. For news updates check the podcasts below:
Ukraine Without Hype by Romeo Kokriatski and A. Bartaway
Popular Front
Ukrainecast - BBC
The Ex-Worker
Talk Eastern Europe
Links on how to help Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1499492353261727760
+ https://twitter.com/Border_Violence/status/1497345941552209924
+ https://twitter.com/DocumentingMN/status/1498400897419956230
+ https://twitter.com/nii_ugre/status/1496846810761117700
+ https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity
+ https://wiki.avtonom.org/en/index.php/Donate
Relevant reading:
War in Ukraine: Ten Lessons from Syria - Crimethinc
Syrians recount horror under Russian air attacks - Al Jazeera
Why Ukraine Is a Syrian Cause - Yassin Al-Haj Saleh, DAWN
‘Our fates are united’: Syrians rally behind Ukraine after years of Russian torment - The Guardian
Safe, - Edge of Syria
The Fire These Times links:
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Mar 4, 2022 • 1h 45min
101/ Mending the World: A Jewish-Arab Diaspora Conversation w/ Cindy Milstein
This is a conversation with Cindy Milstein, they (I wrongly used 'she' in the intro) are the editor of the book "There is Nothing so Whole as a Broken Heart: Mending the World As Jewish Anarchists"
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: www.thefirethesetimes.com
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
- Displacement as part of the Jewish experience Being diaspora (Jewish and Arab)
- Having communities without states
- Politics of language (Hebrew, Yiddish, Ladino etc)
- Authoritarianism and flattening our differences
- Jewish anarchism
- Hegemonic narratives in Europe (Examples of Dreyfus affair, Alsace, Berlin, Spain)
- Oral histories Tisha B'av, 1492, Tree of Life massacre and needing a language for grief
- Wrestling with difficulties
- Antisemitism on the right and the left
Recommended Books:
- An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon
- The Four Profound Weaves by R.B. Lemberg
- Pet by Akwaeke Emezi
Link to Yiddish, Ladino and Judeo-Arabic songs: https://twitter.com/FireTheseTimes/status/1486260615828021249

Feb 25, 2022 • 52min
100/ The Story of Three Black Mothers: Louise Little, Berdis Baldwin and Albert King w/ Anna Malaika Tubbs
This is a conversation with Anna Malaika Tubbs, author of the book "The Three Mothers: How the Mothers of Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X and James Baldwin Shaped a Nation."
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
The lives of Berdis Baldwin, Louise Little and Alberta King and why their stories matter
Anna becoming a mother while writing a book about black motherhood
Their famous sons - James Baldwin, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr - eclipsing their own lives
Contextualizing their lives an the long history of violence against black women
The role of religion in their lives
Books Mentioned:
Righteous Discontent: The Women’s Movement in the Black Baptist Church, 1880–1920 by Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham
We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood by Dani McClain
In Search of Our Mothers' Gardens by Alice Walker
The Mothers by Brit Bennett

Feb 23, 2022 • 46min
ARCHIVE: Disinformation, Russia and Syrian-Ukrainian Solidarity w/ Peter Pomerantsev
Initially published in June 2020, I'm re-sharing this episode with Peter Pomerantsev with y'all because of what's been happening in Ukraine lately. I'm preparing a new episode on Ukraine but it's taking a bit of time because I want to make sure I'm well-read enough to be an engaging host.
Old link: https://thefirethisti.me/2020/06/24/31-disinformation-post-truth-and-what-to-do-about-them/
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Feb 18, 2022 • 1h 29min
99/ Inconvenient Findings and Enduring Hierarchies w/ Marie Berry and Milli Lake
This is a conversation with Marie E. Berry and Milli Lake, co-founders and principal investigators of the Women’s Rights After War Project. We primarily spoke about their article "on inconvenient findings" and their paper for Annual Reviews "women's rights after war: on gender interventions and enduring hierarchies"
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
The limitations of many 'women's empowerment' programs
What happens when research findings challenge the work that policy makers are invested in promoting? Example of degrowth and economics
Who gets excluded when certain interests (such as class) are maintained?
Examples of Rwanda, Bosnia and Lebanon
Narrowly-defined arena for justice
The three Dayton agreements (referencing the episode with Aida Hozic) and ongoing situation in Bosnia and Serbia
War logics in 'postwar' contexts
The USA as a 'postwar' country
Should we make inconvenient findings less inconvenient?
The idea of nation states
The role of futurism and speculative movements
Resources Mentioned:
69/ The Entrenched “Manliness” of Ethnic Power-sharing Peace Agreements (with Aida A. Hozić) https://thefirethisti.me/2021/03/28/69-the-entrenched-manliness-of-ethnic-power-sharing-peace-agreements-with-aida-a-hozic/
Recommended Books:
Revolutionary Mothering: Love on the Front Lines by Alexis Pauline Gumbs
Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine Mammals by Alexis Pauline Gumbs
The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow
Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by adrienne maree brown
Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good by adrienne maree brown
Holding Change: The Way of Emergent Strategy Facilitation and Mediation by adrienne maree brown
On Freedom: Four Songs of Care and Constraint by Maggie Nelson
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants by Robin Wall Kimmerer