This is a conversation with Anna Malaika Tubbs, author of the book "The Three Mothers: How the Mothers of Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X and James Baldwin Shaped a Nation."

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What we talked about:

• The lives of Berdis Baldwin, Louise Little and Alberta King and why their stories matter
• Anna becoming a mother while writing a book about black motherhood
• Their famous sons - James Baldwin, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr - eclipsing their own lives
• Contextualizing their lives an the long history of violence against black women
• The role of religion in their lives

Books Mentioned:

• Righteous Discontent: The Women’s Movement in the Black Baptist Church, 1880–1920 by Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham
• We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood by Dani McClain
• In Search of Our Mothers' Gardens by Alice Walker
• The Mothers by Brit Bennett