

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
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Feb 11, 2022 • 1h 12min
Crossover: The Strange Amnesia of Lebanon's Wars w/ New Lines
This is a crossover episode with New Lines Podcast on the topic of 'postwar' Lebanon. A big thank you to New Lines’ Faisal Al Yafai and Lydia Wilson for hosting this conversation.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Feb 4, 2022 • 1h 30min
98/ Space, Nostalgia and Retro-Futurism in Palestine and Lebanon w/ Nat Muller
This is a conversation with Nat Muller, an independent curator, writer and academic living between the UK and Amsterdam.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
She is an expert in contemporary art from the Middle East and curated the Danish pavilion at the 2019 Venice Biennale, showing Palestinian artist Larissa Sansour. She has curated shows at major venues, including Eye Film Museum Amsterdam, Stedelijk Museum Bureau Amsterdam, The Mosaic Rooms in London and ifa Gallery in Berlin. She is an AHRC Midlands3Cities-funded PhD student at Birmingham City University working on science fiction in contemporary art from the Middle East.
We primarily talked about her paper "Lunar Dreams: Space Travel, Nostalgia, and Retrofuturism in A Space Exodus and The Lebanese Rocket Society".
Topics Discussed:
Space travel and science fiction
Space travel and the Arab world
A Palestinian space exodus and the Lebanese Rocket Society
The prolonged present and stolen futures
The role of nostalgia
The mnemonic imagination
Who is space for?
It is easier to reach the moon than Jerusalem
The limitations of the nation state in Arabic science fiction
Afro-futurism
Resources Mentioned:
The Future Palestinian Present: https://www.mangalmedia.net/english//the-future-palestinian-present
Film: Erased, Ascent of the Invisible by Ghassan Halwani: https://joeyayoub.com/2019/12/01/ghassan-halwani-and-the-reclaiming-of-lebanons-imaginaries/
Film: Those Who Remain by Eliane Raheb
Film: Ila Ayn? by Georges Nasser
Film: Safar Barlik by Henry Barakat
The Legacy of the Great Lebanon Famine (with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari): https://thefirethisti.me/2021/07/16/85-the-legacy-of-the-great-lebanon-famine-with-lina-mounzer-and-timour-azhari/
The Nation on No Map: Black Anarchism and Abolition by William C. Anderson (upcoming guest): https://www.akpress.org/nationonnomap.html
Article on The Lebanese Rocket Societythat I wrote in 2013 https://hummusforthought.com/2013/03/12/lebanese-rocket-society-a-review/
Recommended Books:
The Anthropocene Unconscious: Climate Catastrophe Culture by Mark Bould
The Nutmeg’s Curse: Parables for a Planet in Crisis by Amitav Ghosh
Refugee Heritage by Sandi Hilal and Alessandro Petti

Jan 28, 2022 • 1h 38min
97/ Why I Stopped Writing About Syria w/ Asser Khattab
This is a conversation with Asser Khattab, a Syrian writer who has reported on Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq for various international news outlets. We spoke about his essay for New Lines Magazine, "why I stopped writing about Syria."
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
How Asser started writing about Syria
Pigeonholing as Arab journalists
Why Asser stopped writing about Syria
Us leaving Lebanon at the same time
Picturing safe spaces
What is 'normal'?
The role of Twitter in journalism
The dangers of living in Lebanon as an undocumented Syrian
Survivor's guilt and imposter's syndrome
Resources Mentioned:
A look at the Lebanon uprising through its chants
Syrian melancholy in Lebanon's revolution
Newlines Podcast
That Cairo Concert, Mental Health and Growing Up Queer in Lebanon (With Hamed Sinno)
‘Revolution everywhere’: A conversation between Hong Kong and Lebanese protesters
Hong Kong’s Existential Crisis (with JP)
Syrian Prison Literature and the Poetics of Human Rights (with Shareah Taleghani)
Syria, Journalism and the Cost of Indifference
In the End, It Was All About Love (with Musa Okwonga)
Recommended Books:
Dying Every Day: Seneca at the Court of Nero by James Romm
Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe
God: An Anatomy by Francesca Stavrakopoulou

Jan 21, 2022 • 1h 20min
96/ The Arab Spring Diaspora Against Transnational Repression w/ Dana Moss
This is a conversation with Dana Moss, Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Notre Dame and the author of the book "The Arab Spring Abroad: Diaspora Activism against Authoritarian Regimes."
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack newsletter: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com/
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
How Yemeni, Libyan and Syrian diasporas in the US and UK reacted to the Arab Spring
Risks of protesting in the diaspora
Government responses to diaspora pressures and activism
Personal insights from my own experience
Why diasporas are still undervalued
Impostor's syndrome and survivor's guilt
Diasporas are not homogeneous
The Interpol problem
Legacy of the Arab Spring
Recommended Books:
Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War by Leila Al-Shami and Robin Yassin-Kassab
We Crossed a Bridge and It Trembled: Voices from Syria by Wendy Pearlman
The Return: Fathers, Sons and the Land in Between by Hisham Matar
The War on the Uyghurs: China's Internal Campaign against a Muslim Minority by Sean R. Roberts
Dictators Without Borders: Power and Money in Central Asia by Alexander Cooley and John Heathershaw

Jan 14, 2022 • 1h
95/ Untellable Stories, Reproductive Justice & Complicating Acts of Advocacy w/ Shui-yin Sharon Yam
This is a conversation with Shui-yin Sharon Yam (her 2nd time on the podcast) largely around a paper that she wrote called "Complicating Acts of Advocacy: Tactics in the Birthing Room".
She is Associate Professor of Writing, Rhetoric, and Digital Studies, and a faculty affiliate of Gender and Women's Studies and the Center for Equality and Social Justice at the University of Kentucky. She is one of the series editors for the Ohio State University Press's New Directions in Rhetoric and Materiality.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack newsletter: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com/
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
Rhetorical Analysis, Reproductive Justice and Doulas: Intro to each and the links between them
Three pillars of Reproductive Freedom and global implications
Rhetoric of Health and Medicine: intro and explanation
Technocratic model of birth: intro and explanation
What makes some stories 'untellable'?
The pitfalls of the 'self-made moms' rhetoric
Rhetoric and the antivaxx movement
Resources Mentioned:
Romper's Doula Diaries on YouTube
"Rhetorical Appeals and Tactics in New York Times Comments About Vaccines: Qualitative Analysis"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33275110/
"Using Rhetorical Situations to Examine and Improve Vaccination Communication" https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.697383/full#h4
Vaccine Rhetorics https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814214336.html
Recommended Books:
Reproductive Injustice: Racism, Pregnancy, and Premature Birth by Dána-Ain Davis
We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood by Dani McClain
Trans Medicine: The Emergence and Practice of Treating Gender by Stef M. Shuster

Jan 7, 2022 • 1h 38min
94/ The Political Economy of Solarpunk w/ Andrew Dana Hudson
This is a conversation with speculative fiction writer and sustainability researcher Andrew Dana Hudson. His stories have appeared in Slate Future Tense, Lightspeed Magazine, Vice Terraform, MIT Technology Review, Grist, Little Blue Marble, The New Accelerator, StarShipSofa and more, as well as various books and anthologies. His fiction has been nominated for the Pushcart Prize and longlisted for the BSFA. In 2016 his story “Sunshine State” won the first Everything Change Climate Fiction Contest, and in 2017 he was runner up in the Kaleidoscope Writing The Future Contest. His 2015 essay “On the Political Dimensions of Solarpunk” has helped define and grow the “solarpunk” subgenre. He is a member of the cursed 2020 class of the Clarion Workshop.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
What is Solarpunk?
Introduction to his essay “On the Political Dimensions of Solarpunk“
The urgency of Solarpunk and the response to Cyberpunk
Post-normal fiction
Solarpunk and global network society: why did it start in the 2010s?
The importance of care work
Solarpunk and the future of cities
Solarpunk and utopias
Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction
The climate activism momentum
How has Solarpunk changed over the years? Also: discussion of COP26 and Green New Deal
Books mentioned + Recommended:
Multispecies Cities: Solarpunk Urban Futures edited by Priya Sarukkai Chabria and Taiyo Fujii and Shweta Taneja (which includes a story by Andrew)
Our Shared Storm: A Novel of Five Climate Futures by Andrew (Pre-order now)
Lo stato solare by Andrew
Infomocracy by Malka Ann Older
Gnomon by Nick Harkaway
Infinite Detail by Tim Maughan
A Psalm for the Wild-Built by Becky Chambers
The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson
Walkaway by Cory Doctorow
The art is by artist and illustrator CosmosKitty (I added the text). Check out their work here: cosmoskitty.com

Dec 10, 2021 • 45min
It Could Happen Here: On The New Periphery
Hey everyone,
As I'm taking a bit of a break I'm sharing with you the episode I did on the podcast "It Could Happen Here Daily with Robert Evans" about my article for Lausan.hk entitled "The periphery has no time for binaries". Make sure to check out It Could Happen Here :)
See you all in January!
To support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Blog: thefirethisti.me

Dec 3, 2021 • 54min
Mangal Media: Solarpunk, Climate Change and the New Thinkable
As I'm taking a wee break, here's an interview I gave on the Mangal Media podcast about my article of the same name.
You can read it here: https://www.mangalmedia.net/english/solarpunk-climate-change-and-the-new-thinkable
Mangal Media is a global collective of writers, artists, journalists and scholars from the so-called “periphery” who are concerned about reclaiming their own narratives.
Check out their podcast :) I was on there more recently as well to talk about protest chants since the Arab Spring.
See you in January.
Patreon: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Blog: thefirethisti.me

Nov 26, 2021 • 41min
Voice Messages From The Balkan Route
As I'm taking a bit of a break, I thought I'd share with you a recording published by the Sara Jeva Collective. Listen to those who became victims of illegal pushbacks in Croatia. The reports deal with flight, racism and policeviolence against migrants and refugees.
Links:
https://twitter.com/JevaSara/status/1446739260112097282
https://reportssarajevo.blackblogs.org/
Related episodes on The Fire These Times:
Episode 35: The European Union’s Violence Against Asylum Seekers, with Jack Sapoch, coordinator of No Name Kitchen‘s border violence reporting, itself part of the Border Violence Monitoring Network (BVMN).
Episode 49: Moria Camp and the Deadly Cost of Fortress Europe, with Ghias Al Jundi, a Syrian-British human rights activist, about the 2020 fires at the Moria camp in Greece
Just look them up wherever you listen to this podcast!

Nov 12, 2021 • 1h 16min
93/ Syrian Prison Literature and the Poetics of Human Rights (with Shareah Taleghani)
This is a conversation with Shareah Taleghani, Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies and Arabic at Queens College at the City University of New York and the author of the book "Readings in Syrian Prison Literature: The Poetics of Human Rights" published by Syracuse University Press.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
Background and context, Syrian prison literature
Poetics of human rights, and how Syrian prison literature affected her view of human rights
On Tadmor military prison
On censorship, arbitrariness and tanfis in Syria
Arab critics, literature and human rights
Effects of truth
Universality of prison literature
Syrian prison literature and the 2011 revolution
Selective solidarity and global prison abolitionism (US, Iran, Syria)
Also Mentioned:
Faraj Bayrakdar
Human Rights, Inc by Joseph Slaughter
Supreme Court Justices Make a Surprising Proposal in Torture Case
Hasiba Abdelrahman
Mustapha Khalifa
Rosa Yassin Hassan
Malek Daghestani
Ali Abu Dahan
Heba Al-Dabbagh
Tadmor film by Monica Borgmann & Lokman Slim
Memory, violence and fear: Why Lokman Slim’s murder must not be depoliticized - my L'Orient Le Jour piece
Ambiguities of Domination: Politics, Rhetoric, and Symbols in Contemporary Syria by Lisa Wedeen
Miriam Cooke
The Politics of Love: Sexuality, Gender, and Marriage in Syrian Television Drama & Mediating the Uprising: Narratives of Gender and Marriage in Syrian Television Drama by Rebecca Joubin
Nazih Abu Nidal
Ghassan al-Jaba'i
Maher Arrar
'Anticipating' the 2011 Arab Uprisings: Revolutionary Literatures and Political Geographies by Rita Sakr
Recommended Books:
The Shell by Mustafa Khalifa
A Dove in Free Flight by Faraj Bayrakdar
Forced Passages by Dylan Rodríguez