

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
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Oct 29, 2021 • 60min
92/ Big Tech, Gatopardismo and Data Colonialism (With Camila Nobrega and Joana Varon)
This is a conversation with Brazilian researchers Camila Nobrega and Joana Varon about their paper for Global Information Society Watch, "Big tech goes green(washing): Feminist lenses to unveil new tools in the master’s houses." Extended bio below.
The research by Nobrega and Varon is part of a report launched by the Association for Progressive Communications. You can find the full report here.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
Power structures, Big Tech and what kind future we want
technosolutionism through feminist lenses
Who has the ability to consent?
Gatopardismo (Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui): proposing 'changes' while reinforcing existing power structures
Monocultures of minds (Vandana Shiva)
What are we sustaining and what are we developing when we talk of 'sustainable development'?
What is 'green data'?
The 'good life' through euro-centrism
Discussion about Brazil
Extractivism and data colonialism
Resources mentioned:
Please visit thefirethisti.me
Recommended Books/Other
A extinção das abelhas by Natalia Borges Polesso (Joana)
Un Mundo Ch'ixi es posible by Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui (Camila)
Amanda Piña (choreographer)
Camila Nobrega is a Brazilian journalist working on social-environmental conflicts for more than ten years, fostering Latin American feminist lenses and social-environmental justice. She has worked for media vehicles in Brazil and has contributed to international media, like The Guardian, Le Monde Diplomatique, and Mongabay. Currently based in Berlin, she is a Ph.D. Candidate in Political Science department at the Free University of Berlin. To connect journalism, academic research, and artistic languages, she develops the project Beyond the Green (https://thenewnew.space/projects/beyond-the-green/), focusing on megaprojects that affect our lives, bodies, and territories. It aims to strengthen narratives that connect the right to communication and land rights. Member of Intervozes collective that struggles for media democratization in Brazil. medium@nobregacamila
Joana Varon is Brazilian, with Colombian ancestry and a nomad heart. She is a feminist researcher and activist focused on bringing decolonial Latin American perspectives in the search of feminist techno-political frameworks for shaping the development, deployment and usages of technologies. As it is a collective search, she is the Founder Directress and Creative Chaos Catalyst at Coding Rights, a women-run organization working to expose and redress the power imbalances built into technology and its application, particularly those that reinforce gender and North/South inequalities. Former Mozilla Media Fellow, Joana is currently a Technology and Human Rights Fellow at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy from Harvard Kennedy School. She is also affiliated to the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Oct 15, 2021 • 1h 18min
91/ Satisfying Human Needs at Low Energy Use (With Jefim Vogel & Julia Steinberger)
This is a conversation with Jefim Vogel of the Sustainability Research Institute at the University of Leeds, and Julia Steinberger of the Institute of Geography and Sustainability at the University of Lausanne, about a paper they worked on entitled "socio-economic conditions for satisfying human needs at low energy use: An international analysis of social provisioning."
Julia is also an author of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 6th Assessment Report, contributing to the report's discussion of climate change mitigation pathways.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed
How the major environmental and social crises of our time are interlinked, especially energy use
Meeting basic needs at low energy use
Leapfrogging fairly
Disparities between global North and global South
(Some of) the limits of economic growth
Citizens' assemblies and other examples of ways forward
Living well within limits
Recommended Books:
Jefim's:
Less is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World by Jason Hickel
Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky
Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent, and Lead by Brené Brown
Julia's:
Overheated: How Capitalism Broke the Planet--And How We Fight Back by Kate Aronoff
The Future Earth: A Radical Vision for What's Possible in the Age of Warming by Eric Holthaus
We Make Our Own History: Marxism and Social Movements in the Twilight of Neoliberalism by Laurence Cox & Alf Gunvald Nilsen

Oct 1, 2021 • 1h 10min
90/ The Ecological Paradox of Digital Economies (with Paz Peña)
This is a conversation with Paz Peña, a Chile-based independent consultant and activist, who recently published a paper entitled “Bigger, more, better, faster: The ecological paradox of digital economies” for Global Information Society Watch (GISWatch). The research by Paz Peña is part of a report launched by the Association for Progressive Communications. You can find the full report here.
Topics Discussed:
Digital economies and environmental sustainability
The ecological paradox of dematerialisation
‘Smart cities’ and the Internet of Things (IoT)
The problem with techno-solutionism
Tech in the framework of degrowth and postgrowth
Artificial Intelligence is a feminist issue
Tech isn’t neutral
Recommended Books:
Posthuman Knowledge by Rosi Braidotti
Cómo pensar juntos by Isabelle Strengers
After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair, and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck
I mentioned my article for Shado Mag on the Emotional Case for Postgrowth
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Music by Tarabeat.

Sep 24, 2021 • 1h 55min
89/ Tiananmen, Denialism and History (With Mia Wong)
This is a conversation with Mia Wong, a writer and researcher with Cool Zone Media whose essay "When communists crushed the international workers’ movement" for Lausan was the subject of this conversation.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
The Tiananmen massacre in its historical context
The meaning of Tiananmen
How we remember Tiananmen and what we erase
The before and the after
The cost of denialism
Tiananmen/Syria comparisons
Occupying the squares vs occupying the factories
On class identities
How could it have been different?
Aesthetics and politics
Burying the past
On tankies
Recommended Books:
Rhythms of the Pachakuti: Indigenous Uprising and State Power in Bolivia by Raquel Gutiérrez Aguilar
The Utopia of Rules: On Technology, Stupidity, and the Secret Joys of Bureaucracy by David Graeber
Carbon Democracy: Political Power in the Age of Oil by Timothy Mitchell
Hatta Shūzō and Pure Anarchism in Interwar Japan by John Crump
+ I recommended Anarchist Modernity: Cooperatism and Japanese-Russian Intellectual Relations in Modern Japan by Sho Konishi

Sep 17, 2021 • 1h 28min
88/ A History of Nothing (With Susan A. Crane)
This is a conversation with Susan A. Crane, author of the book “Nothing Happened: A History“
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
How do people think of the past?
What does Nothing even mean?
Four expressions of historical consciousness:
1- Nothing Happened
2- Nothing is the Way it Was
3- Nothing has Changed
4- Nothing is Left
How far away does the past have to be before being considered the past?
What the past says about the present
The examples of Germany, Chile, the USA, Spain and Lebanon
When histories become ruin
On biographies and ‘great men’
On ‘objectivity’ and ‘neutrality’ in history
Resources mentioned:
Why Man Creates by Saul Bass
The Death of Luigi Trastulli: Memory and the Event. Form and Meaning in Oral History by Alessandro Portelli
Nostalgia for the light by Patricio Guzmán
History and Memory: For Akiko and Takashige by Rea Tajiri
The mnemonic imagination by Emily Keightley and Michael Pickering
Why Did Ozu Cut To A Vase? by Nerdwriter
Recommended Books
In Memory of Memory by Maria Stepanova, translated by Sasha Dugdale
The Resonance of Unseen Things: Poetics, Power, Captivity, and UFOs in the American Uncanny by Susan Lepselter
Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments: Intimate Histories of Social Upheaval by Saidiya Hartman
A History of Silence: From the Renaissance to the Present Day by Alain Corbin

Sep 10, 2021 • 1h 18min
87/ Counter-Cartographies: Mapping Back our World (With Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer)
This is a conversation with Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer who helped create the ‘This Is Not an Atlas‘ book for Kollectiv Orangotango, which is available as a free PDF.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed:
What is ‘This is Not an Atlas’?
What traditional cartographies erase
The relationship between maps and power
When do maps work?
Examples of Alarm Phone and Indigenous mapping
How to become an occasional cartographer
Discussion of: Is This Is Not an Atlas an Atlas? On the Pitfalls of Editing a Global Collection of Counter-Cartographies
How can cartography help us understand our relationship to nature?
What is hydrocartography?
Recommended books:
Manual of collective mapping by iconoclasistas
Counterpoints: A San Francisco Bay Area Atlas of Displacement & Resistance by Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
Weaponizing Maps: Indigenous Peoples and Counterinsurgency in the Americas by Joe Bryan and Denis Wood
Forensic Architecture: Violence at the Threshold of Detectability by Eyal Weizman
The Natures of Maps: Cartographic Constructions of the Natural World by Denis Wood and John Fels

Sep 3, 2021 • 1h 39min
86/ Environmentalism, ‘Post-Truth’ and Platform Capitalism (With Bram Büscher)
This is a conversation with Bram Büscher around the topics discussed in his book ‘The Truth about Nature: Environmentalism, in the Era of Post-Truth Politics and Platform Capitalism‘
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
Meaning of ‘post-truth’ and platform capitalism
Environmentalism, political action and social media
Mediating knowledge and politics through new media platforms
“Doom and gloom” versus “being optimistic”
Temporality on social media and the urge of the ‘now’
New media platforms are not neutral platforms
Alienation, politics and new media
Can it be good?
The role of new media in the conservation and environmental movements
South Africa’s Kruger National Park, new media and racial politics
The difference between understanding and knowledge, and how new media plays into that
Recommended Books:
Platform Capitalism by Nick Srnicek
Darwin’s Hunch by Christa Kuljian
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Aug 5, 2021 • 22min
I read the names of the Beirut port explosion victims
This is a special episode in which I just read the names of those who died due to the Beirut port explosion on August 4th 2020.
Resources:
http://beirut607.org/
http://thepublicsource.org/
https://armlebanon.org/
#BeirutExplosion

Aug 4, 2021 • 46min
August 4th 2020: "It Sounded Like The World Itself Was Breaking Open" (With Lina Mounzer)
This is a special episode, initially recorded and released on August 7th 2020 with Lina Mounzer.
I'm re-releasing it as it was.
Twitter thread with reflections on this day https://twitter.com/joeyayoub/status/1422610135172714498
#BeirutExplosion #BeirutBlast

Jul 31, 2021 • 2h 26min
85/ The Legacy of the Great Lebanon Famine (with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari)
This is a conversation with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari, repeat guests on the podcast, about the legacy of the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (1915–1918) and its legacy today.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed + Resources:
What was the Great Famine? Causes and Context (Allies blockading from the sea, Ottomans barring grains, role of local elites like Michel Sursock)
Hunger and Hallucination: Tales from the Great Famine (Lina's talk)
An Abandoned Village Bears Witness to Lebanon’s Famines – Old and New (Timour's article)
Parallels to today
A Hungry Population Stops Thinking About Resistance: Class, Famine, and Lebanon's World War I Legacy
Is there an amnesia problem in Lebanon? Yes and No
The sense that history is repeating itself
Working as a way of coping
Thinking of leaving and of the established migration routes (belonging, identity, legitimacy etc)
The role of the diaspora beyond bringing aid
Across the Rickety Bridge by Farrah Berrou
Akram Khater's Inventing Home: Emigration, Gender and the Making of a Lebanese Middle Class, 1861-1921
The gendered component of the famine
The Megaphone short doc
Maybe let's eat the rich
Coexistence as being between rioters and peaceful protesters
What counts as violence vs non-violence
What we've inherited from the Lebanese wars (1975-1990)
Recommended Books
Timour:
On the Road by Jack Kerouack
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
Citizen Hariri by Hannes Bauman
Lina:
Beirut Nightmares by Ghada Samman
A Month in Siena & The Return by Hicham Matar
Yes, I am a destroyer by Mira Mattar