

The Fire These Times
Elia Ayoub
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
Episodes
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Sep 10, 2021 • 1h 18min
87/ Counter-Cartographies: Mapping Back our World (With Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer)
This is a conversation with Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer who helped create the ‘This Is Not an Atlas‘ book for Kollectiv Orangotango, which is available as a free PDF.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
What is ‘This is Not an Atlas’?
What traditional cartographies erase
The relationship between maps and power
When do maps work?
Examples of Alarm Phone and Indigenous mapping
How to become an occasional cartographer
Discussion of: Is This Is Not an Atlas an Atlas? On the Pitfalls of Editing a Global Collection of Counter-Cartographies
How can cartography help us understand our relationship to nature?
What is hydrocartography?
Recommended books:
Manual of collective mapping by iconoclasistas
Counterpoints: A San Francisco Bay Area Atlas of Displacement & Resistance by Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
Weaponizing Maps: Indigenous Peoples and Counterinsurgency in the Americas by Joe Bryan and Denis Wood
Forensic Architecture: Violence at the Threshold of Detectability by Eyal Weizman
The Natures of Maps: Cartographic Constructions of the Natural World by Denis Wood and John Fels

Sep 3, 2021 • 1h 39min
86/ Environmentalism, ‘Post-Truth’ and Platform Capitalism (With Bram Büscher)
This is a conversation with Bram Büscher around the topics discussed in his book ‘The Truth about Nature: Environmentalism, in the Era of Post-Truth Politics and Platform Capitalism‘
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed:
Meaning of ‘post-truth’ and platform capitalism
Environmentalism, political action and social media
Mediating knowledge and politics through new media platforms
“Doom and gloom” versus “being optimistic”
Temporality on social media and the urge of the ‘now’
New media platforms are not neutral platforms
Alienation, politics and new media
Can it be good?
The role of new media in the conservation and environmental movements
South Africa’s Kruger National Park, new media and racial politics
The difference between understanding and knowledge, and how new media plays into that
Recommended Books:
Platform Capitalism by Nick Srnicek
Darwin’s Hunch by Christa Kuljian
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Aug 5, 2021 • 22min
I read the names of the Beirut port explosion victims
This is a special episode in which I just read the names of those who died due to the Beirut port explosion on August 4th 2020.
Resources:
http://beirut607.org/
http://thepublicsource.org/
https://armlebanon.org/
#BeirutExplosion

Aug 4, 2021 • 46min
August 4th 2020: "It Sounded Like The World Itself Was Breaking Open" (With Lina Mounzer)
This is a special episode, initially recorded and released on August 7th 2020 with Lina Mounzer.
I'm re-releasing it as it was.
Twitter thread with reflections on this day https://twitter.com/joeyayoub/status/1422610135172714498
#BeirutExplosion #BeirutBlast

Jul 31, 2021 • 2h 26min
85/ The Legacy of the Great Lebanon Famine (with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari)
This is a conversation with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari, repeat guests on the podcast, about the legacy of the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (1915–1918) and its legacy today.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed + Resources:
What was the Great Famine? Causes and Context (Allies blockading from the sea, Ottomans barring grains, role of local elites like Michel Sursock)
Hunger and Hallucination: Tales from the Great Famine (Lina's talk)
An Abandoned Village Bears Witness to Lebanon’s Famines – Old and New (Timour's article)
Parallels to today
A Hungry Population Stops Thinking About Resistance: Class, Famine, and Lebanon's World War I Legacy
Is there an amnesia problem in Lebanon? Yes and No
The sense that history is repeating itself
Working as a way of coping
Thinking of leaving and of the established migration routes (belonging, identity, legitimacy etc)
The role of the diaspora beyond bringing aid
Across the Rickety Bridge by Farrah Berrou
Akram Khater's Inventing Home: Emigration, Gender and the Making of a Lebanese Middle Class, 1861-1921
The gendered component of the famine
The Megaphone short doc
Maybe let's eat the rich
Coexistence as being between rioters and peaceful protesters
What counts as violence vs non-violence
What we've inherited from the Lebanese wars (1975-1990)
Recommended Books
Timour:
On the Road by Jack Kerouack
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
Citizen Hariri by Hannes Bauman
Lina:
Beirut Nightmares by Ghada Samman
A Month in Siena & The Return by Hicham Matar
Yes, I am a destroyer by Mira Mattar

Jul 24, 2021 • 1h 41min
84/ Space, Fiction and Growing Up in ‘Postwar’ Lebanon (with Naji Bakhti)
This is a conversation with Naji Bakhti, author of the novel Between Beirut and the Moon (2020), published by Influx Press. He is also Project Manager at SKeyes Center for Media and Cultural Freedom at the Samir Kassir Foundation.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
Growing up in a ‘postwar’ context, Lebanon
Writing in English and the distance afforded to us when doing so
Thinking about Arabic and creativity
Genesis of Between Beirut and the Moon
Writing the local, writing the global
The Arab world and the impossibility of Space exploration
Billionaires are ruining space in addition to planet Earth
Joking about sectarianism in Lebanon (and also Balkans, Iraq etc)
West Beirut (1998 film) and its impact, watching it (in Joey’s case) the day Hariri was assassinated in 2005
Writing about Beirut as a character
How do we think about fiction when reality is so overwhelming?
Inheriting the silences from one’s parents (including postmemory)
Friendships versus sectarian politics
Recommended Books
Guapa by Saleem Haddad
De Niro’s Game by Rawi Hage
Persepolis by Marjie Satrapi
Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha by Roddy Doyle
Music by Tarabeat.

Jul 17, 2021 • 1h 12min
83/ Understanding Hamas: Anti-Authoritarian Perspectives (with Tareq Baconi)
This is a conversation with Tareq Baconi, author of the book "Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance" published in 2018.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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List of topics discussed:
How Hamas is often talked about
Contextualising Hamas in recent and ongoing uprisings
Hamas and popular protests
The Great Return March
Hamas and Israel
Western hypocrisy on Palestinian democracy, with a focus on the EU and the US
Hamas-Fatah relations
The horrific costs of the Israeli blockade of Gaza
How the Israeli state views Hamas
Hamas breaking out of its 'cage'
Does it matter who wins at the Israeli elections?
The PA losing legitimacy
Hamas' authoritarianism in Gaza
Hamas as a democratic movement
Difference between party and government in Gaza
Moving beyond the framework of partition and into colonial and apartheid frameworks
Recommended Books:
Hamas and Civil Society in Gaza: Engaging the Islamist Social Sector by Sara Roy
Hamas: A Beginner's Guide by Khaled Hroub
Decolonizing Palestine: Hamas between the Anticolonial and the Postcolonial by Somdeep Sen

Jul 10, 2021 • 1h 43min
82/ The Populist Hype, ‘the People’ and the Far Right (With Aurelien Mondon)
This is a conversation with Aurelien Mondon, he’s a senior lecturer in politics, languages and international studies at the University of Bath and co-author of the 2020 book “Reactionary Democracy: How racism and the populist far right became mainstream” alongside Aaron Winter.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed
How has the far right been mainstreamed? Focus on US, UK and France
Liberal racism versus illiberal racism
The far right and why calling them ‘populism’ is problematic
What is ‘populist hype’ and how can the media be complicit?
How the ‘working class’ become racialized into the ‘white working class’
The role of elites in ‘reactionary democracy’
How our knowledge of the world is constructed
How the right has asphyxiated the media landscape
On echo chambers
The generational divide
The question of race and ‘populism’
‘Populism’ and elections
The case of France
Books Recommended
Hatred of Democracy by Jacques Rancière
Racism without Racists: Color-Blind Racism and the Persistence of Racial Inequality in America by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva
Feminism, Interrupted by Lola Olufemi
Music by Tarabeat.

Jul 3, 2021 • 1h 21min
81/ Solarpunk and Storytelling the Present and Future (With Phoebe Wagner)
This is a conversation with Phoebe Wagner, co-editor of the 2017 book Sunvault: Stories of Solarpunk and Eco-Speculation alongside Bronte Christopher Wieland.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
You can follow on Twitter or Instagram @ firethesetimes too.
Topics Discussed:
What is Solarpunk?
What is wrong with modern storytelling about the future?
Playing with words (example of Permablitzing)
Patriarchal tropes (‘men with guns’) and moving beyond them
Is knowledge power?
Working on the language we use
Is there a crisis of the imagination?
Going from fiction to non-fiction and action
Community-building
What’s punk about solarpunk
Works mentioned:
Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler
Parable of the Talent by Octavia Butler
Moon of the Crusted Snow: A Novel by Waubgeshig Rice
Robin Wall Kimmerer on the Language of Animacy
Recommended Books:
The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin
Emergent Strategy by adrienne maree brown
Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer
Cover Art by Likhain for the Sunvault book
Music by Tarabeat.

Jun 27, 2021 • 1h 11min
80/ Syria, State Ideology and Climate Politics (With Marwa Daoudy)
This is a conversation with professor Marwa Daoudy, associate professor at Georgetown University and the author of the recently published book The Origins of the Syrian Conflict: Climate Change and Human Security.
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Blog: https://thefirethisti.me
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Topics Discussed:
Climate change did not cause the Syrian revolution, despite this narrative continuing to dominate in many circles, and why this deterministic narrative strips away the agency of Syrian revolutionaries
The ‘securitization’ of language, how refugees and migrants going to global north countries are treated through militarized language, and how calling them ‘climate migrants’ can be problematic
How did the pre-2011 drought affect the uprising, if at all?
Bashar Al-Assad urban/rural divide and conquer strategy
Assad’s neoliberal reforms and their impacts on water and food politics
The role of ideology (baathism, neoliberalism etc) in Syria
The issue of ‘state security’ rhetoric and how a Human-Environmental-Climate Security (HECS) framework can help understand reality better
The relationship between the World Bank and the Syrian regime
Neo-Malthusian politics and its presence in international politics
Europe’s extractivist economies and the complicity in scapegoating ‘climate migrants’
The idea of ‘climate security’ and why it’s problematic
Book Recommendations:
Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse
Martin Eden by Jack London
The Crossing by Samar Yazbeck
The Impossible Revolution by Yassin Haj-Saleh
The Shell by Mustafa Khalifa
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Samira’s Letters on Al Jumhuriya
Music by Tarabeat.