
The Fire These Times
The Fire These Times is a podcast by Lebanese writer and researcher Elia Ayoub and friends connecting academics, writers, artists and activists from around the world to “build the new in the shell of the old.”
It is a part of the From The Periphery Media Collective. To support: https://www.patreon.com/fromtheperiphery
Latest episodes

May 6, 2022 • 57min
108/ What Asexuality Says About Society w/ Angela Chen
This is a conversation with Angela Chen, author of the book 'Ace: What Asexuality Reveals About Desire, Society, and the Meaning of Sex'.
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This isn't an Asexuality 101 episode. Feel free to look up the basics if you want. There are loads of asexuals who do explain what it means, Angela Chen's book including. This episode is more about what asexuality says about our societies.
And as I'm notoriously crap at explaining why I like the books I like, I am going to read a paragraph written by Sarah Neilson for them.us which summarizes really well why Chen's book matters: "The crux of society’s difficulty with accepting asexuality is, Chen argues, because compulsory sexuality is ingrained in societal narratives about mental and physical health, politics and liberation, and interpersonal relationships. Compulsory sexuality posits that sex is a primal human need, ties sex to maturity, and places sex in relationship hierarchies. Even in the queer community, though we hate to be oversexualized by the straights, we often sexualize ourselves and each other. And while queer sex is indeed liberating for allosexuals (or those that do experience sexual attraction), so is the ability not to have sex. Chen argues, through a fantastic blend of nuanced and clear-eyed reporting, research, and personal reflection, that true liberation requires the dismantling of compulsory sexuality." So yeah, this book is great.
Recommended Books:
Minimizing Marriage: Morality, Marriage, and the Law by Elizabeth Brake
Refusing Compulsory Sexuality: A Black Asexual Lens on Our Sex-Obsessed Culture by Sherronda J. Brown
More Than Friends by Rhaina Cohen

Apr 29, 2022 • 1h 40min
107/ Black Anarchism, Abolition and the Radical Tradition w/ William C. Anderson
This is a conversation withWilliam C. Anderson, author of the bookThe Nation on No Map (AK Press 2021) and co-author ofAs Black as Resistance (AK Press 2018). He’s also the co-founder ofOffshoot Journal and provides creative direction as a producer of theBlack Autonomy Podcast.The Fire These Times is a proud member of From The Periphery (FTP) Media Collective. Check out other projects in our media ecosystem: the (newly aired!)Mutual Aid Podcast, Politically Depressed, Obscuristan, andAntidote Zine. To support FTP please head toPatreon.From The Periphery is onYouTube,Bluesky,Instagram, and has awebsiteTopics Discussed:Long conversation on Black anarchismThe influence of Zen BuddhismSeeing the world as a janitorCritiques of black nationalism, capitalism and liberalismThe legacy of slavery and Reconstruction on Black people in the USTensions between ‘reform’ and ‘revolution’The legacy of the Black Panthers PartyInternationalism vs IntercomunalismAfro-futurism and SolarpunkRecommended Books:A Map to the Door of No Return by Dionne BrandThe Terms of Order: Political Science and the Myth of Leadership by Cedric J. RobinsonFacing Reality by C.L.R. James and Grace C. LeeThe James Baldwin clip I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmL3F5uylo&feature=emb_imp_woyt

Apr 22, 2022 • 1h 49min
🌻 Ukraine Special: 3. The threads that bind us from Syria to Ukraine
This episode is a multilingual online encounter, part of the Post-Extractive Futures series, co-produced by War on Want, Tipping Point UK, JunteGente, and The Fire These Times project. I was the moderator.
You can support The Fire These Times on Patreon with a monthly or yearly donation. You can also find it on Twitter @firethesetimes, Instagram @firethesetimes and TikTok @thefirethesetimes. Joey Ayoub can be found on Twitter @joeyayoub and Instagram @joeyayoub91. The newsletter is available on Subtack @ thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Guests: Yassin al Haj Saleh, who will be speaking in English, is a Syrian writer and former political prisoner. He is author of several books on Syria, prison, contemporary Islam, intellectual responsibility, and experiences of the atrocious. He is the husband of Samira al Khalil, who was abducted by an armed Islamist group in Douma in December 2013. He now lives in Berlin.
Wafa Mustafa, who will also be speaking in English, is a Syrian activist, a journalist, a survivor of detention. Mustafa comes from Masyaf, a city in the Hama governorate in western Syria. She left the country on 9 July 2013, exactly a week after her father was forcibly disappeared by the regime in Damascus. In her advocacy, Mustafa covers the impact of detention on young girls, women, and families.
Yuliya Yurchenko, who will also be speaking in English, is a senior lecturer in political economy at the department of economics and international business and a researcher at the political economy, governance, finance, and accountability institute at the University of Greenwich, UK. She is the author of Ukraine and the Empire of Capital, which was published by Pluto Press in 2017. She researches state, capital, and society relations as well as public services as a commons with a regional focus on Europe and Ukraine.
Taras Bilous, who will be speaking in Ukrainian, is a Ukrainian historian and an activist of the Social Movement Organization. As an editor of for Commons, a journal of social critique, he covers the topics of war and nationalism. He has recently written quite a lot of articles, including “A Letter to the Western Left from Kiev” as well as “The Left in the West Must Rethink.”
Transcription and YouTube video available on the website: https://thefirethisti.me/2022/04/21/podcast-the-threads-that-bind-us-from-syria-to-ukraine/

Apr 15, 2022 • 1h 25min
106/ Football is Political: #Qatar2022, Russia and What Comes Next w/ Musa Okwonga and Justin Salhani
This is a conversation with Justin Salhani of 'Oh My Goal' and Musa Okwonga (his 4th time on the pod) of 'Stadio' about football, politics and human rights. We talked about the upcoming world cup in Qatar, the role of dirty money in football (including Russian, Emirati and Saudi) and what might come next.
You can support The Fire These Times on Patreon with a monthly or yearly donation. You can also find it on Twitter @firethesetimes, Instagram @firethesetimes and TikTok @thefirethesetimes. Joey Ayoub can be found on Twitter @joeyayoub and Instagram @joeyayoub91. The newsletter is available on Subtack @ thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Recommended Books:
The Ball is Round: A Global History of Soccer by David Goldblatt (Musa)
Soccer in Sun and Shadow by Eduardo Galeano (Musa)
Football Against the Enemy by Simon Kuper (Musa)
You Have Not Yet Been Defeated by Alaa Abd El-Fattah (Justin)
The Queue by Basma Abdel Aziz (Justin)
The Billionaires Club: The Unstoppable Rise of Football’s Super-rich Owners by James Montague (Justin)

Apr 8, 2022 • 54min
105/ What 'Living With Covid' Actually Means w/ Martin Paul Eve
This is a conversation with academic Martin Paul Eve, professor of Literature, Technology and Publishing at Birkbeck, University of London.
You can support The Fire These Times on Patreon with a monthly or yearly donation. You can also find it on Twitter @firethesetimes, Instagram @firethesetimes and TikTok @thefirethesetimes. Joey Ayoub can be found on Twitter @joeyayoub and Instagram @joeyayoub91. The newsletter is available on Subtack @ thefirethesetimes.substack.com
We spoke about his article 'just the first two years' about what the past two years of pandemic have been for him as someone with an autoimmune condition called panhypogammaglobulinemia. I found his article as I myself recently caught Covid following the Swiss government's decision to first reduce health measures, before removing them altogether. As many governments remove all remaining health measures, life is becoming increasingly difficult for many people, especially those who are disabled or immunocompromised. What does this say about our political culture if we allow this to become the norm? This is what this conversation was about. We focused on the UK and Switzerland as this is where we are, but this is applicable to many other countries as well.
Recommended Books:
The Overstory by Richard Powers
Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
See Under: Love by David Grossman
Photo by visuals on Unsplash

Apr 1, 2022 • 1h 7min
104/ The Urgency of the IPCC Report w/ Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper
This is a conversation with Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper, both of whom worked on the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.
What we talked about:
What you should know about the most recent IPCC report
In-depth exploration of the IPCC report
Understanding vulnerabilities to climate change
What is Maladaptation? With examples
Who takes action?
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Resources Mentioned:
Climate activists asking Europe to abandon Russian oil
Recommended Books:
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami (Lisa)
Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie (Lisa)
At Risk: Natural Hazards, People's Vulnerability and Disasters by Piers M. Blaikie, Terry Cannon, Ian Davis and Ben Wisner (Lisa)
The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
Gun Island by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
The Gospel of the Eels by Patrik Svensson (Rupa)

Mar 25, 2022 • 1h 21min
🌻 Ukraine Special: 2. From Ukraine, with Love (and Anger) w/ Romeo Kokriatski
In light of what's been happening in Ukraine I am publishing a series of episodes that will bring in critical perspectives to understand what's happening and why it's happening.
The second episode is with Ukrainian journalist Romeo Kokriatski. He is managing editor at New Voice Ukraine, co-host of the Ukraine Without Hype podcast (go check it out) and has written for outlets such as Nihilist, Hromadske, Zaborona, and more.
PS: if my voice sounds weird here it's because I managed to get myself infected with COVID-19, so that's been fun.
Important note: this is not a news update. For news updates check the podcasts below:
Ukraine Without Hype by Romeo Kokriatski and A. Bartaway
Popular Front
Ukrainecast - BBC
The Ex-Worker
Talk Eastern Europe
Links on how to help Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1499492353261727760
+ https://twitter.com/Border_Violence/status/1497345941552209924
+ https://twitter.com/DocumentingMN/status/1498400897419956230
+ https://twitter.com/nii_ugre/status/1496846810761117700
+ https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity
+ https://wiki.avtonom.org/en/index.php/Donate
Support:
Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
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Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes

Mar 18, 2022 • 1h 8min
103/ The Periphery and Aimé Césaire's Ghosts in the Syrian Revolution w/ Fadi Bardawil
This is a conversation with Fadi Bardawil, his 2nd time on the podcast. Bardawil is an anthropologist who researches the Leftist tradition in the Arab world. In this episode, we talked about two essays he's written: "Forsaking the Syrian Revolution: An Anti-Imperialist Handbook" and "Critical Theory in a Minor Key to Take Stock of the Syrian Revolution".
What we talked about:
Thinking about the Syrian revolution
Aimé Césaire and Stalinism
Tension between Leftists in the Metropoles and Revolutionaries in the Peripheries
Learning from the Palestinian story
Domestic politics in the Metropoles becoming global politics
Focusing on wider trends instead of individual motives
Discourses that erase the Syrian revolution
Example of Hong Kong
Example of the Lebanese Left of the 60s
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
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Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
The Syrian Revolution: Between the Politics of Life and the Geopolitics of Death by Yasser Munif
الفظيع وتمثيله - ياسين الحاج صالح
Readings in Syrian Prison Literature: The Poetics of Human Rights by R. Shareah Taleghani

Mar 16, 2022 • 45min
ARCHIVE: the Legacy of Chemical Weapons from Halabja to Ghouta w/ Sabrîna Azad
Today we commemorate the 1988 #HalabjaGenocide of Kurds by the Saddam Hussein regime.
I'm re-sharing Sabrîna Azad's 2020 episode on the long-term effects of chemical weapons and the shared trauma and solidarity between Halabja and Ghouta.
Azad is a writer who published a moving piece for Mangal Media entitled ‘From Halabja to Ghouta‘ in which she looked at how deniers of Assad’s war crimes in Syria were evoking painful memories for survivors of Saddam Hussein’s genocidal campaigns against Kurds. She spoke about the legacy of the Halabja massacre, part of the Anfal genocide of the late 80s, as well as the 1991 uprisings against Saddam and why they offer better insight into the world’s reaction to Syria since 2011 than the more frequently mentioned 2003 invasion of Iraq does.
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Mar 11, 2022 • 1h 27min
102/ On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body w/ Amro Ali
This is a conversation with Amro Ali, author of the essay "On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body in Berlin." He is also co-president of the Arab-German Young Academy of Sciences and Humanities, research fellow at the Freie Universität Berlin, and lecturer in sociology at the American University in Cairo (AUC).
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimesWebsite: http://www.thefirethesetimes.com
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
Moving from the centers to the peripheries
Why Berlin? And not London, Paris, New York or Istanbul
Berlin as an incomplete city and Germany's past
Germany and the Arabs
The Koblenz trial, accountability in Germany (but not in the Arab world)
January 25 and the legacy of the Arab Spring for the exile body
Home as the place where all attempts to escape cease
Valuing public spaces
Survivor's guilt and impostor's syndrome
Challenges faced by Arabs and other non-white people in Berlin
Meeting other Arabs for the first time in Europe
The need for a connection between Berlin and other capitals, such as Beirut or Tunis
Politics of language and the use of Arabic in the diaspora
Recommended Books:
City of Exiles: Berlin from the outside in by Stuart Braun
Representations of the Intellectual by Edward W. Said
Exile, Statelessness, and Migration: Playing Chess with History from Hannah Arendt to Isaiah Berlin by Seyla Benhabib
Resources Mentioned:
The Der Spiegel article: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/witness-defendant-deserter-case-in-germany-raises-questions-about-how-to-try-assad-s-atrocities-a-43d2817e-d85b-4378-b158-0c5001c345eb
Branch 251 Podcast
Previous episodes mentioned:
My Father and Syria’s Forcibly Disappeared (With Wafa Mustafa)
Space Travel, Nostalgia, and Retrofuturism (With Nat Muller)
That Cairo Concert, Mental Health and Growing Up Queer in Lebanon (With Hamed Sinno)
Why I stopped writing about Syria (With Asser Khattab)
Queerness, Literature and Revolution (With Saleem Haddad)