

The Practice of the Practice Podcast | Where Modern Psychology Meets the Business of Therapy
Joe Sanok | Private Practice Consultant, TEDx Speaker & Author of Thursday is the New Friday
Business growth meets the cutting edge of psychology. This podcast is for psychologists, therapists, counselors, coaches, and wellness professionals. It explores modern psychology and how it connects to building a thriving practice. Hosted by consultant and author Joe Sanok, it features conversations with leading academics, psychologists, business leaders, and mental health experts. Topics include psychedelic-assisted therapy, mindfulness, CBT, ACT, peak performance, and the future of mental health care. You’ll also hear clear strategies for marketing, streamlining your business, and scaling your private practice without burnout. Whether you want to sharpen your clinical skills, expand your perspective, or grow your impact, this podcast keeps you at the leading edge of mental health and practice growth.
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Jun 24, 2025 • 46min
Productivity: The Neuroscience of Reality: How Emotions Shape What We See with Dr. Lisa Barrett | POP 1222
Dr. Lisa Barrett, a leading figure in psychology at Northeastern University and a top-cited scientist, dives into the captivating interplay between emotions and reality. She challenges conventional notions of objective truth, illustrating how our subjective experiences shape perceptions. With insights from her research, she critiques typical productivity strategies and emphasizes the need for personalized approaches. The discussion also touches on the importance of humility and curiosity in therapeutic relationships, enriching both client and therapist experiences.

Jun 19, 2025 • 30min
Mindfulness: Why You Don’t Have to Be Calm to Meditate with Susan Piver | POP 1221
What are common misconceptions about Buddhism and meditation? How does mindfulness help us face emotions without getting lost? Why is vulnerability key to transformation?
Joe Sanok talks with Susan Piver about meditation as liberation from suffering, embracing vulnerability, and finding freedom through awareness and self-compassion.
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Jun 18, 2025 • 33min
High Performance Mindset: When the Body Breaks, How Do We Repair the Mind? With Hillary Allen | POP 1220
How do setbacks build resilience? Can failure become a stepping stone to success? What can therapists learn from ultrarunner Hillary Allen’s journey of recovery and mindset shifts? Joe Sanok talks with Hillary about overcoming a 150-foot fall, redefining self-worth, and embracing visualization, gratitude, and personal growth after trauma.
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Jun 17, 2025 • 34min
Productivity: The Future of Time Management with New York Times bestselling author Kendra Adachi | POP 1219
Why is embracing contentment more powerful than chasing perfection? Can time management be compassionate in a hustle-driven world? How can redefining productivity transform daily life? Joe Sanok talks with Kendra Adachi about “The Lazy Genius Way,” breaking free from optimization culture, and finding success by honoring your humanity and seasons of life.
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Jun 12, 2025 • 37min
How Does Nervous System Regulation Heal Our Relationships? With Sarah Baldwin | POP 1218
Can understanding your nervous system transform trauma healing and relationships? Joe Sanok talks with Sarah Baldwin, Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, about polyvagal theory, attachment, and nervous system regulation. Learn to move from freeze to flow, reconnect with your adult self, and foster emotional balance in your healing journey.
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Jun 11, 2025 • 39min
The Psychologist Behind the 2011 World Series Win – Dr. Jason Selk | POP 1217
What’s the secret to high performance without burnout? Joe Sanok talks with mental toughness expert Dr. Jason Selk about training your brain for resilience, relishing success, and balancing achievement with joy. Learn practical tools for mental workouts, prioritization, and cultivating lasting fulfillment inside and outside the office.
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Jun 10, 2025 • 33min
Productivity: The Future of Brain Health with Dr. Sabina Brennan | POP 1216
Which neuroscience strategies best boost brain health to achieve your dreams? How can you move from brain fog to clarity? What’s the hidden power of your thoughts?
Joe Sanok talks with Dr. Sabina Brennan about brain optimization, attention vs. manifesting, and practical steps for improving mental clarity, productivity, and well-being.
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Jun 5, 2025 • 30min
Mindfulness: The Future of Addiction Treatment with Britt Frank, LSCSW, SEP | POP 1215
How can self-dialogue transform addiction recovery? How does understanding the story beneath addictive behaviors foster compassion and lasting change?
Joe Sanok talks with Britt Frank, LSCSW, SEP about rethinking addiction treatment, using parts-work, and aligning the mind to support true healing.
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Jun 4, 2025 • 42min
HPM: Peak Performance with Kobe Bryant’s Performance Coach Todd Herman | POP 1214
Which strategies help you reach peak performance? Why shift from obsession to stamina, and can this change transform success into something sustainable?
Joe Sanok talks with Todd Herman - Kobe Bryant’s performance coach - about stamina, purpose-driven success, and building lasting momentum in life and business.
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Jun 3, 2025 • 52min
Productivity: The Future of Listening with Greg McKeown | POP 1213
In this discussion, author Greg McKeown, known for his New York Times bestsellers Essentialism and Effortless, shares insights on prioritizing what truly matters in life. He delves into the art of deeper listening, highlighting its transformative impact on relationships. The conversation also touches on intergenerational connections, advocating for mindful legacy planning. Greg emphasizes empathetic listening as a tool for shifting mindsets and fostering meaningful interactions across both personal and professional realms.