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Why Dave Decided to talk to Till Boadella: Till Boadella is a serial entrepreneur and digital marketing expert who helps small businesses get more traffic, generate more leads and make more sales. In 2017 he made $170,000 in seven days with his own product launch. He now helps successful business owners make an extra $50,000-$1,000,000 per year in the backend of their business with product launches. Tim is the mastermind behind some of the biggest product launches, marketing campaigns and e-commerce stores in the world. He discusses what does and doesn't work in marketing and business. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Creating An Audience For Product Launch. (7:19) How often should you create content? (8:25) Building a launch list (12:45) Quotable Moments: "A lot of people expect that they invest in something and they want it to work right away." "You're building the type of rapport with them [the people] and then turn around and basically giving them exactly what they wanted." "The relationship with your list is so much more important than the size of your list" Other Tidbits: It's important to build a solid relationship with your list and provide value to that list. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Speaker 2: 00:18 Welcome back. I'm Dave Woodward, your host here at funnelhacker radio. I want to introduce you to till boy della Tillikum to show thanks for having me. I'm super excited. So us zero online entrepreneur who's makes multiple six figures a year. Coolest thing. Actually it was last year, 2017. He made 170 grand in seven days with his own product launch, but since then he's gone on to help others really maximize their back end to anywhere from $50,000, million dollars on the back end of their businesses with product launches and product launches. One of those things you don't spend that much time talking about. So I thought it'd be fun to bring till on here. I'm going to talk about some of stuff he's doing. Most importantly, how it can be a benefit to you and obviously a lot of you guys who have followed us for a while, we started off years ago, one of the first step funnels we ended up making was a one for Jeff Walker product launch formula and did some stuff with that. Speaker 2: 01:05 But let's kind of dive in and said, tell people a little bit about what you're doing and what's working for you. Um, so basically, uh, was in Jeff's program a few years ago in the plf, I think that was in 2013 or 14, something like that. Um, I remember back then I didn't have the money to pay for his program, but I used the payment plan and I went into a bit of debt know entrepreneur, that's how it works. One hundred percent. So I got into his program on the $200 per month or something, payment plan, uh, went through the whole program and solve these other people doing these launches, you know, everyone in the industry was kind of using jest formula or a lot of people. So, um, yeah, I dove into it and I tried a couple of launches by myself. Those didn't go so well. Um, I realized that this is one of the things I have people talk about all the time that his will, should I spend a whole bunch of time during a product launch and what if it doesn't work? Speaker 2: 02:09 So let's talk about when it doesn't work, what happened, why didn't it work and what'd you learn from the mistakes? Um, I think when you do a launch to the audience is literally one of the most important parts. Um, so the launch is kind of like this formula that works, but you need to have a really solid audience in the good offer for them. So I would say in the past I was doing launches and I didn't have the right audience and it didn't have that offer. So I was doing these launches with weak offers, kind of selling to the wrong people. And those launches didn't work well in once I had a really, really, you know, irrationally passionate audience and a really crushing offer for them. I was using just formula and it just took off like crazy. So I think it's, it's really about the audience and having the offer and then Jeff formula just, you know, takes that in and creates that, that magical a chemical reaction where people just go crazy and buy. Speaker 2: 03:13 I love it. I remember years ago working with Dan Kennedy, some things he always talked about was message, market match, and you've got to have the right match for the right market and you got to have the right message. And I think, uh, one of things we spend a lot of time on here and that's the offer, so help people understand when they're trying to create a good offer. What, uh, what are you looking for in an offer that actually works for lunch? Um, well, first of all, I want to be really niche about it. So in the past I was doing these general launches and I didn't really know who I was selling to and what I was selling. Um, so the launches that did really well for me was we're in a specific niche where I was teaching people ecommerce. So in 2016 I had this drop shipping store, um, where I was selling these aliexpress products to people in Germany. Speaker 2: 04:01 I was selling dark colors. I'm doing free plus shipping and stuff like that. So I built that business too, I think at the time, like 6,000 a month, something really small and I was having a youtube channel back then, so I was starting to talk about drop shipping and in that store that I was building, and back then not many people were talking about drop shipping. So the video's got a lot of attention and a lot of use because I was somehow one of the first, not the first, but one of the first to talk about it. So I've got all this, all these views on youtube related to, to drop shipping. And people started to ask me, do you have a course? How do I set up a shopify store? How do I drop ship? What's the process? So I knew gay people are asking you about this, you know, there's an audience with a strong desire. Speaker 2: 04:50 And um, then it was just about really talking to that audience. Understanding them, uh, I was doing a daily Qa show answering their question. So after you do that for a few months, you just know what they want, you just know their problems in creating the offer at that point, it's just like super easy, like literally just put it together and sell it to them. So until one of the things I always have people ask me about, and that is, is it more important, chef from first of all, focus on the audience are going to focus on creating a killer offer. Where do I focus first chicken or the egg? Which ones matter most personally? I think the audience matters most because you can have a really. I mean without the audience, you can't really have a good offer, right? Um, so the offer is only as good as the audience that it's being sold to. Speaker 2: 05:40 So I always, you know, for beginners, I always give them the tip to just post on social media, pick a platform like youtube, facebook published content, build up a following. And once you have an audience can be a social media, can be an email list. You can then understand what their real problems are and then you can easily do a launch, but if you just think about Kevin is going to put together this, this offer, oftentimes it's disconnected from, from the audience or just in your ivory tower coming up with something that you think is awesome, but in reality it might not really be proven and it might not really sell. So how do you create a niche specific audience when you don't know exactly what you're going to sell them? Um, that's a good question. For me it was more luck because I didn't, I was just posting on Youtube. Speaker 2: 06:31 I was doing this daily Qa show and I was all over the place. So I was doing personal development stuff. I was doing general marketing, direct response, a bit of Ecommerce, a bit of a drop shipping and then the drop shipping videos just got the most traction, the ecommerce stuff. Um, that was God like 20 k, 30 k views the other videos, like 200, 300 years. So yeah, the niche kind of chose me, um, rather than me choosing the neat, the niche. But what you think is real critical and those who are listening to you guys caught onto that and that is if you don't know, put out a ton of content, a ton of content which you can find is certain content resonates and then how does it resonate? Well, you're looking at engagement. You're going to see if you're on facebook or anything else, you're getting comments, you getting shares, you get them likes. Speaker 2: 07:19 If you're on youtube, how many people are again, are many views you're getting. You get a lot of use in one area and not in another. And I think as you mentioned there till as far as well then just kind of picked me. I think that happens when you continue to go out and produce massive content. I think the scariest part for most people is they're afraid to create the content. They're like, it's got to be right the first time and if I screwed up the first time, no one's going to believe me. No one's going to trust me and then I'll just won't be able to come back to me. So a hundred percent now that you've gone out and you start creating it. So what I'm hearing you say basically is the first thing to do a product launch. You got to create an audience. Speaker 2: 07:53 You create the audience ideally at some easiest ways on social media. So if you're going to instagram or facebook or youtube, doesn't matter which one right now, obviously video seems to be one of the easiest, fastest ways of creating that type of content. Obviously you can do content through a podcast. It's probably not as easy to see the interaction as much. Uh, it's more from indoctrination and things like that afterwards. So focusing on instagram or youtube or facebook and how often are you creating content? So basically the backstory is I was reading Gary Vee book, I forgot the name, but in the book he said just produce daily content and I was back then, you know, dabbling a bit. So I read the book and I was like, okay, but the big takeaway here is just to go out there and produce content. So I started and I made a decision to post 365 days in a row content on youtube and I chose the q and a format, so I would just first of all go out there and asked people for questions just on facebook, you know, I'm doing this daily show, what questions do you have? Speaker 2: 09:01 And I would collect these questions, screenshot them, put them in a folder, start recording videos, and then I would get comments under the new videos. I would screenshot those and I would have this massive folder with questions and over time that just turned more and more into ecommerce related questions and drop shipping related questions. And then it was kind of easy to, uh, to serve these people and eventually do a launch because more and more people were asking, you know, do you have a chorus? And back then I didn't have a course. So I brought out a course for $97. I didn't really do a launch, just that was kind of an evergreen thing. So then I was monetizing the audience and then a few months later when my audience was peaking, when the goodwill was the highest, so when everyone was just watching the videos commenting, I was like, okay, now's the time. Speaker 2: 09:55 Now's the time to do a launch in. Is it more of a seed launch or was natural lunch? No, it was an actual launch was like the classical Jeff Walker's stuff with some some twists. So I just built an early bird waiting list from youtube. So I send people from Youtube to the early bird waiting list in. What was interesting is on youtube I could use the plc, the videos upload that people aren't familiar with Plc. Explain what plc is. It's basically prElaunch content. Plc stands for. So it's a video that jeff walker's for the for. I'm sorry, I'm stealing your thunder. Go ahead, tell you. You can tell it. It's basically a sideway sales letter. So instead of having one of these long page sales letters, you kind of take it and you break it down sideways into three videos. So it's not just about offering content. Speaker 2: 10:48 A lot of people confuse that and they think, oh, it's just about creating videos and giving value, but it's actually about selling, you know, and, and that's also what people confuse a lot with webinars. They think it's just about offering a bunch of value, but it's actually like, you know, russell says in expert secrets, it's about breaking down those false beliefs, rebuilding them and then leading into the sale. Um, and jeff usually does that with three videos, so I did that as well. And the, the awesome Part was I then upLoaded those videos to youtube also additionally to sending them to my list and I turned the videos into youtube ads and I used youtube retargeting to boost those plCs like crazy. so some people in our catch on to what you just said. Okay. So basIcally you've taken the video that's in a. So typically in a plc type of life, they're going to opt in and they get put into an autoresponder sequence of where they're going to get the next three videos over the next 24 days or five days. Speaker 2: 11:50 And then they're going to get the fourth video, which basically is the final offer page. So here you're taking those and you're taking each one individually uploading them to youtube and on youtube you're using that as an ad. Yeah. So how long is the video typically? Um, the videos were between 10 and 20 minutes. Um, they were produced not very high quality. I was having, I was using like not that could have a camera back then. the videos were kind of looking at them now it's a bit embarrassing, but they resonated with people and I boosted them. Each video got between I guess 10 k, 20 k views from the ad and in the youtube ad I then send PeopLe also to the opt in page for the early bird waiting list. So, um, I was kind of using the launCh formula and a bit of a different way combined with youtube ads and all of that, and built a launch list. Speaker 2: 12:46 Then I send out an early bird email and about half of the sales came from that early bird email. And then the reSt of the sales came over a five day period, more or less. How large was the list of generated hundred 70 grand in 2,500 people. That's impressive. Twenty 500 people generating a hundred 70 grand. I'll take that any day because a lot of times people think they have to have a list of 20,000 people to do it launch. So I think it's a. Well, so you created this $2,500. Why? The main reason I wanted to have had you on the podcast here is to help people understand literally this is really for the. How much did you spend in ads? About eight, eight k, so about a thousand bucks in ads. And that was, was that $8,000 spent prior to the launch? Um, I think most of it was spent boosting those youtube videos and using the plc content. Speaker 2: 13:40 A bit of it was spent on retargeting on facebook. So I was, you know, doing a custom audience and then retargeting people. And he basically spent the numbers, the math simple. Three bucks per opt in. Yeah. So three bucks would put it at $7,500 bucks. Those 7,500 people on your list then, or I'm sorry, 2,500 people on your list. Yeah. So yeah. So basically at that point then what you're looking at is, is my math right on that? I think it's $3. It, it is about $3 per lead. I don't know the earnings per lead. Um, but it was pretty, pretty satisfying. And generally hundred 70 k I'll take that for 2,500 people on the list. Yeah. And what's funny is I once was doing a launch with a guy who had 500 k people on his list and back then I wasn't so experienced. Speaker 2: 14:34 So I thought this launch was going to blow up. It's going to be like the biggest launch ever in the launch, only did 25 k. It was a big disappointment and that's when I realized this guy has 500,000, a list of 500,000 people and I made so much more money from 2,500 people. So what I really realized is how someone enters your list makes all the difference so much more important than the size of your list, I think help. So now you've got these people, they've purchased your product and everything else. Where'd you take them from there? Um, so I didn't use any upsells or anything like that. I was using click funnels, but it was a simple funnel. I'm Just, it was a long form sales page with a video at the top. The registration or payment form was on the same page. So I didn't make them, you know, click one more time and go to a different page and then they Would buy. Speaker 2: 15:36 I only offered credit card because I didn't want to have like a lot of disputes or stuff like that on paypal, a vsl, a single page vsl with credit card on, on the vsl page. Yeah. It was like the entire transaction takes place on that vsl. Yeah. Very cool. And then it was just simply sending out a welcome email with the link to register for the membership side. Also in click funnels and offer the payment. They would be instantly redirected to a thank you page where they could set up the account. Then I had a facebook group and they would just go through the content. That was it. Again, I love it. I love how simple it was. Still making great numbers out of it and it works and I think that's the part I can stress anything and you guys have to understand the importance of building a solid, solid relationship with that list and provides that list that much easier. Speaker 2: 16:33 It is. When it comes down actual time to provide them an offer. You already know what they want. I'm assuming you were asking him, you've already made mention that you were already getting questions from them. You're answering those types of questions. You're building the type of rapport with them and then turn around and basically given them exactly what they wanted. One hundred percent and they were warmed up because I was posting on youtube, so once I even told them get to get on the list, they already knew me. They already liked me. They already had consumed a ton of videos and got a lot of value. So the relationship was actually built before they even got on the list and I think that's also a big part why the 2,500 list was just so powerful because I didn't need much more. No till. That's awesome. Well I totally appreciate you coming and sharing their experience with us. Speaker 2: 17:21 So if people want to find out more about you, where do they, how do they connect with you? Um, best shot is to go to [inaudible] dot com or people here, t I l l b o a d e l l a. And you can also find me on youtube. Just type in that same thing in youtube and you're going to find my channel. Awesome. Well I appreciate it a ton. Any parting words for our audience? I'm just don't give up. You know, if you invest in a program, it might take you two years, three years before you roi the investment. A lot of people expect that they invest in somethinG and they want it to work right away. Whenever I buy something now, no matter how much I pay, I know it's gonna pay off. Sometimes it just takes a bit longer, might be one year, two years, 10 years, but it's always good money spent. Yeah, love it. Well, tom, thanks so much. Good talking to you. Awesome. Thank You man. Speaker 3: 18:18 Okay. Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Why Dave Decided to talk to Anthony Morrison: Since launching his first business in 2005, Anthony Morrison has expanded exponentially. A self-taught internet mogul, Morrison devised a one-man business operation while attending college full-time. Author of two successful books, Anthony devised a systematic approach to entrepreneurs success and used it to develop eleven additional companies, all of which have been highly profitable. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: How To Grow A Successful Business. (1:10) Building True Connections From The Start. (7:42) Scaling Your Business. (13:00) Customer Lifetime Value. (19:37) Quotable Moments: "When you have a really good relationship with the people that have bought your product, the people that are investing their money into your knowledge or your software tools and things like that, you created that good relationship." "The core message that I send to my students is never give up. You can't fail if you never stop trying." "When I can see the shift in the way people think and the way people feel, the weight, the results they're getting, that's an inspiration for me to never give up, never stop doing what I'm doing, as long as I can keep doing it." Other Tidbits: Anthony Morrison travels the country sharing his story and teaching his skills to budding entrepreneurs speaking at large events. He hosts a weekly webinar called "The Success Connection," focused on marketing strategies. He discusses the importance of building long term business relationships by growing your business the right way. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker Speaker 2: 00:18 radio. This is gonna. Be a fun ride. I'm so excited. I'm Anthony Morrison on the show. Anthony, welcome. Thanks for having me here, man. Excited to be on your way. Did you have to understand to get anthony on a show like this is like pulling teeth. It's only taken me a year and a half actually give them a $5,000 ring and it still isn't even close to the rings he normally wears. Speaker 2: 00:42 He's one of our eight figure award winners. Two Comma Club. Been crushing it for years. Best part about it, anthony, you and I were just talking about is you're actually building real businesses naturally. One of the things I want to talk about is so often people get started in this business. They think they're going to go out and try to make a quick buck and you're not. We're just talking about the sec come in and basically FTC coming down and shutting everybody down, basically one a month, the last six months and these are guys who've been again doing high tens, twenties, even close to $100,000,000 and they're just doing stupid business. So what I want to talk to you about real quick here is how do you grow real smart business because you've been doing this now for over 10 years. I mean you've been crushing this thing, grow a real business. Speaker 3: 01:22 Well, I've certainly made my mistakes. I've been guilty of follow the follow the leader, follow a path and kind of see what everybody else is doing. The same thing. And when I first got started in this business, I was doing it, you know, of like the top down and I started on television. Most people will start with, let me create an offer or a funnel or whatever and then build their way up the opposite. I just said, hey, let's go put something on TV and sell books. And so I started off with just like blast, right? With tons of tons of customers. We sold a million books and all these people that I didn't really know how to create that relationship and it's something that Russell has always done and it's something that I think is the reason why clickfunnels has grown so quickly and so efficiently. Speaker 3: 02:18 It's because of the relationship that Russell creates with the audience, with your students, with the people that are using your software, and I've implemented the same thing in our business and I think that is the key to growing a successful business, to growing a longterm business and then to growing it the right way because when you have a really good relationship with the people that have bought your product, the people that are investing their money into your knowledge or your software tools and things like that, um, when you created that good relationship, then you don't have to do all this crap. You see all these other people doing to get people to buy something. You don't have to do. Push the limit and tows the line. You can literally just say, just like you guys did at the event I was at, hey, check out this new coaching program. Speaker 3: 03:06 We have it's nominal blood and body and it's because they're not just buying that program, they're buying into you and they're buying you because they believe in you and they believe the things that you're saying and, and they, they've gotten there through your actions, through seeing the actions that you know, that you've kind of, you've put in place with them. And so I feel like that is the best way to build a real business. Seeing these people that just go out here and run these offers and create a page and slam it with some traffic and try to sell something that's not worth anything and you know, all that kind of stuff. That's just, it's why, you know, how many people have you seen in the industry since we got started? You know, way more than them still here. Oh absolutely. And I think actually we were talking about the artwork that's behind you and it's one of the things I wanted to vote these guys, this is an audio podcast or you're not seeing it, but I want you to kind of talk about the little piece of art behind you because I think it ties into exactly what you were just referring to as far as the longevity that happens when you build a real business. Speaker 3: 04:04 Yeah. So I'm always trying to, um, to inspire myself. But I do, I do webinars every single week. I mean, I've been teaching my students for, Gosh, three, I guess three years now. I committed to doing the success connection and it's, it's a weekly training with me and it's every single year we don't sell a bunch of stuff. It's literally just teaching and it. And it really doesn't have anything to do with any specific a course that I sell. It's more of an overall, like, here's what's happening today. It's fluid because it's live every week. And I'm always trying to inspire myself. But I was trying to inspire my students and they always can see what's behind me. And so I kind of started telling them, uh, three years ago, kind of the, the, the core message that I send to my students is never give up. Like you can't fail if you never stopped trying. Speaker 3: 04:55 And so I had this artwork made and it's like those that I know, people can't see it, but like all throughout it, there's the message never give up, but it's really focused on in order to see it. And so what you'll find is what I find is there's people that are looking at this artwork behind me. They're seeing this message never give up. And I think that's such an important thing. And it's one of the reasons why, you know, why I this one of the reasons why I'm still here doing this podcast with you. Just not even two months ago I lost my dad and I always thought, I always thought that if, when my dad passed away, my dad worked with me. He was very close to me. It was everyday I was working with my dad. I always felt like I would probably just give up, quit and, and, uh, just uh, you know, with beach or something, I'd probably just wouldn't have the drive or the desire to continue doing anything. Speaker 3: 05:52 And that's what, that's always been my plan. That's just what I've been programmed thing. And I'll tell you, it's kind of funny. I tell my students this all the time, as much as they need that success connection every week, that time with me where I can teach them and kind of show them the new things. We use click funnels every single week in there as much as they need that. For me, I think I need that from them because when I can see what we're teaching actually helping people, right? Actually changing their lives to actually changing their outlook on how to build a business or whether or not they can be successful or whether they failed or maybe they're just still trying. Right? It's like when I can see the shift in the way people think and the way people feel, the weight, the results they're getting, you know, that's an, that's an inspiration to me to never give up, never stop doing what I'm doing and to keep as long as I can keep doing it. Speaker 3: 06:46 As long as I'm learning and growing and knowing new understanding, new things I can share with people, I should do it. And I think that's another reason why our business has grown so much. And it's another key to growing a real business and not just playing on the Internet. It's, it's a two way communication. You want to teach as much as you can to your students. You want to share as much as you can with them, but you also want to learn from them. And you also want to have this, this opportunity to let them make you a better person. Let them make you a better marketer, let them make you a better teacher. And I think that I've, uh, I've certainly over the last three years with our students and the success I've accomplished that. And, um, it would've been more difficult for me to just walk away from business knowing that I will lead this big group of people that have stuck with me for three years every week, you know, and, and I think that helps. That helps us to do what we do and do it at a high level. Speaker 2: 07:42 You know, Anthony, I really appreciate that and especially I know how close you were to your dad and how tough that was. And I think that, uh, you know, people see you and they see your success and they see, yeah, you know, you and your family are flying around in private jets and you got exotic cars, you're living at the beach and, and, and I think at times when a person is first getting started, it's like, you know what, I'll be able to real business after I first get my bills paid. And after I, you know, it, it's easy for Anthony to say that because he's already made it quote unquote, if you don't mind, I only, because I know your, your story as a kid and everything else and kind of where you've come from, help people understand how do you build that true connection from the very beginning, realizing, yes, I understand you have to make money. You've got to pay your bills. That's the first first financial freedom aspect. You've got to get to overcome it. How do you do that at, at the same time, building the true authentic business that's going to last. Speaker 3: 08:31 Yeah. Do you maximize the hours in a day? And um, you know, I, I've had people from telling my story how I got started because in the last few years, because I mean obviously it was plastered all over television for three and a half, four years. And so I didn't want to just be so repetitive, but the fact of matter is, is, I mean, look, I started a business and I didn't have something like a click funnels. I mean I have to go hire somebody to build a website. This was back before there was a just a point and click and drag. That stuff didn't exist, you know, so even though a website building business, I don't know anything about, you know, what I was doing, but what there were, there were a couple of key points that I think really helped me be successful. I was in college, I was going to a medical school. Speaker 3: 09:21 I had 22 our semesters at the time, which is I had to get the dean to sign off on allowing me to even take that many hours in a semester because I wanted to get finished quickly and get on the medical school. That was my, that was my plan. So those 22 hours, we're actually 30 hours a week of school when you add in all the labs and things don't get credit for it. So I was just like last year whose school? Right far more hours than I would have to spend between school and studying. Then a person would have to spend at their regular job right now, like they had a nine five, and the way I looked at it was, you know, my dad was retired. He, he, we were all set. My Dad always took great care of us, invested his money in Worldcom. Speaker 3: 10:04 A lot of people listening to this probably know that story. They went bankrupt. My Dad lost almost his entire life savings and so that was point number one. It created my one. My reason why and I think that many people are so eager to just jump on here and make some money. They never really dig deep to figure out why do they want to make all that money. I never started my business so I could fly on a private plane. That was not my, that nothing that didn't care. I don't even know that even existed when I started in business. I started it in my parents house paint and to keep them from struggling, but that was my reason why when you have a real, like a real substantial, real personal reason why people want to be successful, I think it drives you to look past all these little obstacles that life throws at us and you start figuring out how can I get past this instead of why is it holding me back? Speaker 3: 10:55 So for me, I created more hours in my day. I started a business that literally ran 24 hours a day. So it's three, eight, 40 am. Finding them. I was up on the telephone working and at the time I was selling car parts and the Internet. So I had a little ecommerce store and I never took a minute off. Right. So even though I was in class and even though I was working and doing all these things are studying in class, like a lot of people working. I was working at 8:00 at night and I'm fucking night 11:00 12 because I knew that my advantage was that I was willing to go the extra mile. I was willing to be open and be working when other people were sleeping and play like on the weekends. Right. And that's what gave me the opportunity to have success and build a business while still busy with something else like busy with life. Speaker 3: 11:49 And my point would be for a lot of people it's, you know, it's. And then once you see the success that you had from that, I mean I've started making 20, $30,000 a month. It's a whole lot easier at that point to then say, Hey, I'm going to quit my job and I'm going to focus full time on this business, but you have to create the opportunity for you to get it done so that you have a job and you certainly don't want to advise people, Hey, just quit your job for a to the wind and build a, build a funnel, right? Like, that's not what. I don't think that that's the message that Russell sends out. I don't think it's. I think what we do is we say, eliminate the waste of time. Don't spend time watching television. Don't spend time sitting on facebook reading everybody's updates, give off of instagram, delete twitter, put your cell phone down when you get home from work and really focus on your business and focus on acquiring knowledge in an implementing that knowledge instead of all these other distractions and you'll find we have so many hours in the day that you can work on your business that you would have already just been wasting anyway, and that's the way I was able to build my business and build a real business while having this whole other thing going on in my life. Speaker 2: 13:00 Thanks so much for sharing that. I, I'd like to take it to a new step and that is you've obviously you've helped literally thousands, if not even close to millions of people at some point in your career building their businesses. The part I want to talk about right now though, Anthony, is the scaling aspect because you've had the ability to scale. Unlike a lot of the others that I've been in, the situation I'm at right now, I know a lot of very, very successful entrepreneurs, but you have. It's been fascinating for me to watch your ability to scale, so if you don't mind, give some people some ideas as far as once they start getting again, I look as far as, you know, you get in that two and a half to $750,000 range a year. You've got to really focus on scaling and if you don't mind telling me how you doing the scaling aspect. Speaker 3: 13:44 Yeah. So one of the things that we implemented about two years ago, um, it was something that seemed like a daunting task. Right? And a lot of times I think that, uh, that we, that we look at these, these big complex icon daunting tasks and put them on her note, Adam, he said they were going to get that done and then every time you look at it was building out a robust back end automation. So on a responder or back in marketing funnel that would continue to market to our students' intelligence based on what they were interested in, what they've looked at or clicked on our educational portal of the questions they've answered on surveys. There's all kinds of, all kinds of things. What I found was, was that currently we have about, we're approaching a three year automation, so if we generate a lead through, we to possibly generate a lead through click funnels, our facebook ads, youtube ads, Google ads, solo ads, um, it doesn't matter television, direct mail, all the different marketing channels we use when we leave. Speaker 3: 15:04 We have a full three year sequence that, that lead goes through base and it's intuitive. It's based on what they, what they respond to, what they say, what they buy, what they buy, all those types of things. And it's three, four years now. I've had written out of my notebook and said, need to do really big automation series, right? This will help me scale to make more money. Um, and then I broke it down and I remember Dave, I remember watching this show and it always, it always stuck. It always stuck with me when I looked at and when I went on to take on tasks that I watched the show and it was, it was on television. It was one of these, uh, like who can eat the big hammer, like, could you finish this big hamburger, you know, faster, you know what I mean, was one of those eating competitions and there was this little skinny kid which reminds me of me because I haven't been able to get in high school, so this is what it is. Speaker 3: 15:56 And then there's this really big dude and they both got this massive, massive hamburger and they said, okay, who's gonna eat it first and who's going to eat most of it? And they just, they said, go right. Well the small guy sat there and cut that. Literally he said he spent like five minutes flooding that stupid hamburger in these little pieces. All the other guys just hammering down on the hamburger, right? At the end of the day, the little guy way more of a finished the whole thing. The big, the bigger guy literally almost passed out. And here's why. The big guys looking at this massive hamburger, they asked the right. So like every time you take a bite out of something, you're looking at the massive amount of I guess room. You still have to go, right? You still have to go. It makes you sick. Whereas this other guy was eating just like little bitty bites, right? Speaker 3: 16:48 It's like eating chicken nuggets, right? Instead of trying to eat an entire team is even little bites. It was never as mine was never tricked into thinking he couldn't accomplish it because he didn't see anything in front of them except one piece is a positive and so he was able to just keep going and going and going to end up eating way more than this other guy and I always thought to myself, if you break down these daunting tasks, these big things that when you stare at them, they're gonna Freak you out. You break them down into small little pieces in your compost, this little piece and then this little piece and you stay focused on the piece that you're working on that you won't let your, you know your attention. Go to all of the other stuff you have to do is complete this full task. Speaker 3: 17:26 You'll be focused, you'll be energized to be able to complete it, and that's what we did this. We started off with a certain set a day on a responder automation and every single week we added seven days to it, so every week we would add another seven, sometimes 10 days to this automation, and over the last three years we've built an autoresponder with automation that's three, this literally three years d and now when we get a lead to scale, it's literally allows us to just know, okay, we've got. We know what our lifetime value of a lead is. We know what we can pay for a lead. Now we can just take our marketing and go generate leads and we already know how we're going to generate that revenue. We don't have to then go create a new product or trying to create some kind of new marketing to make more money. Speaker 3: 18:17 We've already got it planned out and all automated. I think that that's a massive advantage if you're trying to scale, especially if you're trying to spend, you know, as you spend more money on facebook or youtube or whatever, the more you spend typically the higher lead calls yet, so it's hard to scale because you're always looking at how much money can I make inside of 30 days. I looked at how much money, how you make over three years, and then at what point do I get a break even and then how much profit am I coming in and for me, men that we've tripled our revenue every month since we put that in Speaker 2: 18:54 to answer that is so cool. I think it's one of those things where people say, Oh yeah, I'm going to get to that sometime. The fact that you guys actually have done it, it's why it's so hard for people to compete against you. It's next to impossible. I mean, you can outspend them on your acquisition. You can. Your lifetime value is huge and you have such an enormous amount of data on on on your customers and you're providing value so often and so frequently that I love, love what you're doing. It reminds me so often. I see people, although they'll create one product, they make money on it and they're like, okay, now I've got to create another product and instead of creating another product, you created the automation which allows you just to double down on your customer and goes back to really truly building a real business versus just a fly by night product. Okay, Speaker 3: 19:37 real businesses don't look at how much money can I spend today and how much money am I gonna make today? They will get money as it costs us to acquire customer and what's the lifetime value of that customer. Too often in our, in our space, we talked about lifetime value, but all people really care about is if I spend 100 bucks on facebook today and only made 90, oh gosh, I'm going broke because they haven't got a real business. They've got one offer and it got one thing that they're focused on. We have continued to build out trainings, courses, softwares and offers that we can provide to our students that are complimentary. And then what we did was we built the offers out. Then we said, okay, let's build the automation now. Right. And once we got the great thing about a day, it's like seven to 14 days of automation done. Speaker 3: 20:22 We started buying traffic, right? Because we were 14 days ahead of the game and every week we just get another set in 14 days ahead of the game. So we've got like none of our leads ever get stuck in other words, right? Where they're just sitting there waiting for something. There's always something there and we're always seven slash 14 days ahead of the, you know, the very earliest leads that we, that we got. Then for the new ones that come in today for three years, our automations takeover and do all kinds of awesome stuff that, you know, again, like you said, lets us out on a, on the marketing channels and it lets us not worry so much about how much did it cost today versus yesterday. We just look at the average cost per lead and we know what we're going to make and it makes it very easy to make decisions on marketing. Speaker 2: 21:14 I love it. Well, I could spend days talking to you. I always love whenever we ever had the opportunity connecting as we kind of get close to wrapping things up. How can people get Ahold of you? How did they get, how do they get onto your weekly success connection? Speaker 3: 21:27 Yeah, definitely. So we've got, uh, our student portal is probably the best way. It's more than education.com. So if you get more education and create a free account and when you get inside of that account, that's kind of our student portal where all of our students go in and access their trainings, forces and softwares and things like that. There's also a success training. It's a completely free. It's what I do for our students. It's almost 100 percent focused on click funnels because that's what I use, you know, so every single week we're building funnels, we give phones to our students, we give them my funnels and we really just try to help elevate their knowledge and their ability to implement and use the clip on software because that's what we're doing anyway, you know. So this is not for click funnels, it's just this is what it is. That's what I do and I always teach what I do and so it just kinda worked out. But every Thursday night is kind of what happens. But uh, but yeah, you can check out [inaudible] dot com. You'll get some free trainings and stuff. Speaker 2: 22:36 Sounds great. Always great talking to you. Thanks so much. Anthony will be in Texas. Speaker 4: 22:41 Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if you'd like me to interview. I'm more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. 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Why Dave Decided to talk to Christian Woodward: Christian Woodward joins the podcast to speak about the importance of finding your voice, and how it is extremely important to an entrepreneurs success. Christian talks about the book Expert Secrets, and how it challenged him to step out of his comfort zone. He discusses the Facebook Live 30-day Challenge, in which he made himself very vulnerable, speaking live about the book in front of his facebook peers. He describes his emotions during the process and the improvement he was able to make in such short time. He explains how finding your voice will transform you from being a reporter to a storyteller in no time! Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Finding Your Own Voice As An Entrepreneur: Utilizing Facebook Live. (1:02) Confidence Building Through Being Vulnerable. (3:24) Improving With Repetition. (8:58) Understanding and Utilizing Your Voice. (11:09) Quotable Moments: "When you go from being rich or poor and actually influencing your life is the biggest thing. Whenever you go through anything, if you actually input in your life, you actually can see the differences." "One of the keys to finding your voice is becoming a better storyteller and relating better to people." "When you feel confident, other people think you're competent and so if you know you're confident, other people think you're confident; you actually will sell more and people will pay more attention to you." Other Tidbits: Christian discusses the importance of making yourself vulnerable and the benefits that come through repetition. He talks about the 'Tiffany Bridge Script' and finding that 'Ah-ha' moment, where people discover true value in something they are pursuing. Christian speaks about the benefits of utilizing Facebook Live and how he was able to understand himself more than ever after completing his 30-day campaign. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome to funnel hacker radio radio. Speaker 2: 00:19 This is gonna. Be a fun episode to a. This actually is. I've got to introduce to you someone who I know extremely well. I've known him his entire life. This is my son, Christian woodwork. Christian, welcome to the show. Thank you. So then a lot of fundraising, the books. I'm excited to do this. A lot of fun. So the idea behind this is all about finding your voice now. There's been a challenge for those you guys who follow me on facebook and we actually started this challenge at our, at Russell's inner circle, probably about a year, maybe two years ago, where Russell challenge people to go out and do a facebook live every single day for a month. Well, I've done that now for probably nine off and on. Probably taken that challenge at least half a dozen different times and it probably add streaks into as many as 90 days where I've done a facebook live every single day. Speaker 2: 01:02 The whole idea behind this though is finding a way to find your own voice and finding your voice as an entrepreneur is probably one of the most important things you can do and you've heard Russell talk a ton about this idea with trying to. I really see who you are. Telling stories, getting very good at becoming a storyteller and realizing that stories is what sells. So I had the opportunity of a Gosh Christian woman, was it a month ago, month and a half ago, about a month and a half ago, something like that, so a month and a half hour, 45, 60 days ago. We were the. My other son, Chandler, my older son, and they were kind of talking smack back and forth. It seems to be what my boys do a lot of and one of the things that came up with was this idea as far as challenging each other to see who would actually do a facebook live every single day about expert secrets. Speaker 2: 01:48 So if you haven't read the book expert secrets by owning gold expert secrets.com, I probably should have. What's your affiliates? Do you have any feeling like you don't have a bitly link up to you, but now that I remember? No, I don't. Ah, phone. Anyways, expert secrets dot Com. And if you do go to expert secrets.com, I want to make sure that you understand the importance of every single one of these chapters. So what happened here, and I'm going to have Christian kind of talked about it was his experience as far as doing a facebook live. So a little background here. I had talked to Christian about this probably almost six months, a year ago where he started doing one on my facebook page and I think he did what, five, five, six, seven to 10 days, 10 days. And then the challenge came up between he and his brother and all of a sudden it became this thing to wear. Speaker 2: 02:31 So what's your facebook page? So people go see your story's a Christian would read. So just go to facebook, look up Christian, c, H R I s t I a n and then Woodward, and you'll basically see what he did over the last 22 days. But what am I going to talk to him about right now is one of the things I hope everyone who's listening to this actually implements. And that is what, uh, what are the benefits of doing a facebook live every single day? What were some things you found? Some things I thought I was actually really cool is it's a kind of thing that my eldest brother Chandler, who is challenged me to do this first was he said once he finished, it's like, it's like a natural high really was until I could get really excited when you do a facebook live. And it's also kind of like a little game that you play with yourself because it's something that like if you get yourself to do a facebook live and actually boosts your moral or your self worth throughout the day, really I feel like is the best thing that you could do. Speaker 2: 03:24 Because once you did a facebook live, you told yourself you can be accomplished something. You actually realize it. Then look at any of the challenge that throughout the week and throughout your day really. And you'd be able to see that if I did facebook live that day, I can do this, I can do this. I didn't. You actually can see actual change your day throughout the day. Awesome. So for a lot of people, this idea of doing a facebook live is really scary. I remember talking with Katie Richardson at, uh, one of our inner circle meetings and she was like, man, I just don't know what I would say. She's now gone on to do amazing, amazing content as far as these facebook lives. But Christian, I want to tell me right now, what were some of the things that you learned about yourself doing this? What was the benefit that you got out of it personally? Speaker 2: 04:03 Um, possibly how you've either. What were some things you've found about finding your own voice or if you take a look at the first one verses 18, 20 or so days, what was some of the difference between the two? I felt like thing mostly I gained about myself was, um, what's the thing that Russell goes throughout the book is becoming a better storyteller personally for me, the first time I was going through I had like a little green notebook that I summarized everything I wrote everything down I thought was cool and then I would summarize it and not really actually explain it and start influencing in my life how effected me that way other people saw more worth than it. I thought that was the coolest thing that actually went through me. I love that. So I can tell you some of the things I've seen. Speaker 2: 04:44 First of all, if a person except that first right out the gate, the challenge first and foremost is do a facebook live every single day for 30 days if you don't know what topic to do. Literally get a book expert secrets and do a facebook live on each one of the chapters and one of the things, it was fun for me as a dad to watch Christian, he started off and he basically was acting more as a reporter and was just reporting, these are the facts, this is what I've learned, this is what you will learn through this. And then as you just mentioned, it changed from being the reporter to now being one who's actually implemented some of those things and it was how it impacted him. Is that fair to say? Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was this cool to see how like how 17 year old as me, like how I was able to actually see and go through my life and how actually built to relate it to me. Speaker 2: 05:31 Same thing you were saying is how actually when you go from being rich or poor and actually influencing your life is the biggest thing. Whenever you go through anything, if you actually input in your life, you actually can see the differences. I think the biggest thing that I noticed. So what's your favorite chapter out of expert secrets? Um, probably my favorite chapter was would either be the, um, and that was hard one like all of them. But uh, I'd say either the company better a storyteller or the epiphany bridge script story as my favorite. So what is this whole tiffany bridge script and why? What'd you get out of it? So the epiphany bridge script is basically the Aha moment that you're trying to discover or get other people to have for themselves. And basically the Aha moment is the moment that you had no, or realizing that this product actually have actually helped other people and then actually be able to realize that, um, with the product that I'm giving you, it's actually quite. Speaker 2: 06:27 I'm giving you. It's going to help you improve your life or improve whatever you're trying to go for. And it actually will not make you a lower status, but actually it will increase your status and actually will help you. Okay. So we start talking about status. What, what are you referring to? So talking about status thing that you actually see other people look at you. And also the way you look at other people. It's the, uh, the way people look at you, you, and the way you look at yourself also, it's, um, the thing that will honestly. It's basically the one big donald was the one big. Donald was the thing that if you can knock down that one little key things, the status is most probably the most important thing. If you knocked down status and say they want lower your status, people won't look at you. Speaker 2: 07:11 Your worst actually will, will think like, oh my gosh, this guy is amazing. I can't believe this guy has done it. That's thing you want to get people to think about themselves as this guy is amazing. I want to be just like him. And that's the thing that you're trying to really get from your Aha moment in the 50 prescript I love that. So I can tell you that it's been fun for me, is you take a look at this whole idea or the concept of eight of status. Um, it's probably one of the things that scares people the most when it comes down to doing facebook live. So again, the challenge here is to do a facebook live every single day for 30 days. And if you don't know what topic to use, go ahead and take expert secrets. The first thing you're gonna find that people are concerned about as far as their own status is. Speaker 2: 07:50 How am I going to look in the eyes of the people who are viewing this facebook live? Is that fair to say? Oh yeah, absolutely. The one thing, uh, luckily for me, I, my facebook, my facebook page wasn't that big because I use instagram more. But I started noticing that, oh, the first thing I want people to think of me as this like nerd or something like that, like lower how my friends look at me if they got onto facebook actually saw me. But once I started doing that and I completely bypass that thought and actually said, okay, this actually won't really affect me as much. I think it will is actually will help me out. I actually had friends who came to my house. They, somebody me with faced with life, like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. Or do them like, I think that's cool. Speaker 2: 08:27 Awesome. It's actually got really, really excited to even more so. A thing is once you realize that I'm actually will help your staff for like the biggest thing that helped me out there. So you actually, by doing a facebook live each and every single day, it actually increases your status instead of decreasing your status due to fear and concern that people are gonna. Think you're a complete nerd or don't know anything at all. What you're doing. You're wasting your summer as a kid doing a facebook live and reading this book. Is that fair to say? Exactly. Yeah. That's perfect. So the next thing after, as far as increasing and taking a look at that, when you're looking at doing a facebook live, what are some of the things that you learned over the course of those 22 days? Um, I really like. The biggest thing was actually was the way, I guess, the way I flowed better. Speaker 2: 09:09 And when I first started I was kind of stuttering lot last name. Like, oh, I'm looking like I don't really know what to say, but like by the end of it I felt like I was completely fluent and I like, I actually was able to basically talk in front of a audience actually. Like when you actually find your own voice on facebook live, I feel like we actually get up on the stage actually is a preparatory step, a little baby step to get up there. I love that thing. So finding your voice, one of the keys to finding your voice is becoming a better storyteller and relating better to people. In a way that they actually feel emotion and I think this is the biggest hurdle and the obstacle that most people have is going from being reporter and just telling the facts to helping people to actually engage emotionally. Speaker 2: 09:47 And I think one of the things I noticed in your facebook lives where that transition took place was when all of a sudden you were no longer started. We're talking just about what you were learning, but you actually got to the point where it wasn't just, these are the facts, it was, this is what I've learned and this is how I'm implementing it. And more importantly, these are some of things that you can do to that fair. Oh yeah, absolutely. This is actually started using it. Say they have to say before you actually realized that, as I said, like, like saying 17 year old because it's actually a lot of people see differently. Um, but anyways, I definitely saw that more holiday. You actually can see yourself going and actually, uh, doing better stuff like that. So I, as you take a look, what would be the advice you would give to somebody who's watching this right now or listening to this and sitting there going, I don't know if I could do a facebook live every single day. Speaker 2: 10:36 The other thing I thought there's no way I can. I got football in the morning. Every morning I come home, I'm super tired and also I want to go hang out my friends and I feel like I have a thousand other things I could go do anything I was saying before. It's that same thing as like if you wake up in the morning, you make your bed. It's that one. One of the day. Think it's a thing as facebook live, if you wake up in the morning or do it with facebook live, it's a single little accomplishment actually will help you. Uh, do better your life when you come up the business choices or anything else like that. And you think, oh, I don't really know if I could do it. It's super, super hard. I don't know if I can make up this hill or ever go through. Speaker 2: 11:09 If you do a facebook live every day, actually build two. I saw personally for me, actually, it wasn't like it woke me up. I saw like I was able to look at the world differently and also is able to say yes to more stuff and be able to accomplish more stuff. Felt like that's awesome. So do you feel like you've gotten a better job at finding your voice and being able to communicate that voice? Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't know if I felt like we do this podcast before. I don't know. I think, and this is part I wanted to have Christian. He had no idea he was going to do this. He literally just came out. I asked him to come to the office and I said, now that you're here, I want you to record this and I can get what are you talking about? Speaker 2: 11:42 And it's the whole reason I want you guys to start doing a facebook live every single day is I want you to find your voice. Because then when you're a situation when someone asks you to go onto a podcast or they ask you to communicate with them, you're already have your voice in a way that you're used to talking and are you able to tell those types of things? So I caught him totally off guard and he's done an amazing job. Um, any other advice you'd give people about finding your voice? Oh, it's perfect. The way that you're saying that. How is it like when you first go out on anything? Like my dad until he my mileage quick, like, yeah, sure, what do you need? Like, oh, can you come from this microphone? Start talking. I'm like, and so, but the thing is I first thought was like, oh my gosh. Speaker 2: 12:19 Like I don't really don't talk about it clearly came to mind. Sydney is didn't those facebook lives you ever seen like a really good person, like a salesman because up to you talks to you like, wow, I'm a, your thing now. It's like because once you do facebook live, you get more, basically feel more confident. Think is the biggest use visit. When you feel more confident about the way you talk and you actually can look at someone in the eye and actually talked to them and really know that what you're talking about, actually, we'll give them the value actually is the biggest thing. One of the biggest things that I noticed is that when you feel confident, other people think you're competent and so if you know you're confident, other people think you're confident, you actually will sell more and people will pay more attention to you. Speaker 2: 12:57 Well, I love it. So again, if people will reach out to where they're going to get you a go to Christian would wear it on my facebook page and if you actually want the a link to go get your free book. It is. I'm a bit dot Lys a backslash to y, x m U, C y. So go get your name. One more time. So this is an affiliate promotion for those of you guys. What's going on right now? Christians trying to get you to go get a copy of expert secrets through his affiliate promotion so you can beat his brother. So he's using a Bentley Lake, probably not the best thing on a podcast, but it's okay. So go ahead one more time. So yeah, it's a bitly bit dot l y backslash to y, x, m U C y. So that is my link to go get your free book and that way you could actually, uh, I'll help me beat my brother also. Speaker 2: 13:48 That way you can find your own voice. It's a great little book to have. You don't know what to sell on a facebook live or even talking about. You don't have to even publish it. But anyways guys, go get that book. It's amazing, amazing, amazing. It helped a 70 year old find his voice and be able to feel more comfortable talking in front of thousands of people and be able to help them go through and actually do better with life. So I always guys, thank you for having me on here. Spend a lot of fun and uh, yeah, thank you guys. I love it. So again, thanks so much for listening. Check out this link. It'll be down in the show notes and follow up Christian on his facebook page at Christian Woodward. Thanks again everybody and we'll talk again soon. Speaker 3: 14:24 Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me were I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as the people like me to interview. 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Why Dave Decided to talk to Nik Robbins: Nik Robbins is a co-founder of Be Top Local - an online Advertising agency based out of Lehi, UT that serves over 120 medical offices nationwide, He is also the founder of Krusader Nation which is an online agency training course and has taught hundreds of others to start and grow their own marketing agencies. He has grown his agency to 3.5 million in the first 20 months by utilizing ClickFunnels and developing a bulletproof sales process to close high ticket clients. He currently oversees 18 employees at Be Top Local and is growing at a phenomenal pace. Recently he has launched the "Krusader Nation" which is an agency training course that is unlike any other. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Specializing In One Thing: (7:32) Understanding Your Value: (16:57) Effectiveness of Running Trials: (19:30) Systems and Processes: Agency Building: (21:44) Embrace The Difficult Journey: (25:53) Quotable Moments: "It's okay to be specialized . That's what I want to tell everybody. You don't need to be everything to everybody. You don't want to be a master at everything. If you're working from your basement and your a Solopreneur, you aren't good at everything. Quit acting like you are. Get good at one thing." "Jack of all trades. Master of none." "Learn how to sell that one thing and go help one specific type of client and then once you start to grow, you build a team." Other Tidbits: Nik discusses his journey building his own online marketing agency and how he was able to excel so quickly. He speaks about team development and the importance of being great at one particular thing to get your business going on the right track. He has spent years intensely studying sales and personal development and is now focused on training others to improve their psychology and outlooks on life combined with creating a life of freedom online. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody welcome back. You get Speaker 2: 00:18 a double whammy here. You've got miles clipper. What's up guys? And myself, Dave Woodward. Most importantly though is our guests. We're super excited to bring on here. And so without any further ado, I want to inish guys to nick robins. Nick, welcome to the show. Awesome man. Happy to be here Dave. So the exciting thing for us is no miles is in charge of running all of their two comma club winners and all this craziness. We're just joking around about the fact that uh, so nick went from basically zero to seven figures through an agency model in 10 months and in the next 24 months or less, he'll be an eight figure. So we want to talk about that story. But the craziest thing though, Nick, is miles and I would like to hear a little bit about your history because I think people hear about these crazy success stories and how everyone's making millions of dollars online, but everything's well, I can't do it and I love your history and your backstory. If you don't mind just take a few minutes here and tell miles nine our audience about your backstory, where you came from and what's allowed you to get to the point where you can literally start at zero and get to two comma club status within 10 months. Speaker 3: 01:23 Yeah, absolutely man. Happy to share it. I think it's important to share with everyone dependent because everyone's in different spots in life, right? So in my early twenties, late teens, um, I had a really bad drug problem as well as drinking problem. There was a time in my life were over an 18 month period. I was arrested three times and including a dui and I still didn't get like, you know, a major wake up call or anything. It wasn't until I was actually given a book by Tony Robbins, who I'm actually in Chicago right now, uh, at a Tony Robbins event. That's why I'm in a hotel. Uh, you know, Speaker 2: 01:52 the kids were just there. What's that? My boys were so my son champion and partner here in Chicago. Speaker 3: 02:02 Awesome. I love it. Yep. I'm, I'm in here in Chicago. Best amazing event. Um, I read the book awaken the giant within from Tony Robbins when I was 19 years old and I'll never forget, sit in the back of the car is my buddies with driving up. And that changed my life because I had a lot of issues, a lot of problems growing up as far as you know, drugs, alcohol, failed relationships fail in college. I went to, I was a guy who took seven years to get a four year degree and went to, you know, six different community colleges in two universities in order to get to where I'm at, you know, but the biggest thing that's happened in humble unsatiable hunger and following the right types of people in order to get what you want in life. Speaker 2: 02:39 I love that. I think a fall in the right type of people. It's one of the main things we talked about a ton. Miles were really just talking about this the other day as far as who you associate with and that association really does change. Absolutely everything in your life. We have a ton of fun here in the office. We joke around a lot, but at the same time it's our core group that allows us the opportunity of a building Speaker 3: 02:59 and growing as quickly as we have. Yeah. And from my experience it's literally the most important thing, like literally because 10 years ago guest to us hang out with people who did drugs, drank all kinds of stuff, and then guess what? I started surrounding myself with over the last couple of years, people who are hustling, making money, serving others, creating value for others, building businesses, doing all kinds of things like that. And guess what's happened? My life has been ruined because of that and it. And it's so important as well because when I started my agency, right, um, I had quit my job, you know, and I was starting this whole online thing, what, 10 months with zero sales, zero six right before we found our actual agency model. And it wasn't until I got into the clickfunnels community and I want to make sure people understand that because like we've talked about two, two different, 10 month categories. Speaker 3: 03:45 One was 10 months from zero to seven figures. I think the other part is there was 10 months prior to that, zero, uh, basically 10 months of zero. Is that correct? Absolutely. So before we fit settled on the agency model, that actually started making money and where we went, I was a website designer, I was an seo guy, all kinds of stuff. And it wasn't until I actually came into Russell Brunson's world and found click funnels that I discovered the facebook ad agency model that we figured out and once we actually started working on that, that's when we went to over a million dollars in a 10 month period, you know, and, and it's spent 10 months of following the wrong types of people, the wrong groups. I didn't know what I was doing and it wasn't until I found some of these communities and started mentoring under other people and learning from other people that, you know, my life was changed in know, while I appreciate that I know that a miles has. We were just talking about this whole concept as far as agencies and we just rolled out the mother funnel which has taken forever. But one of the first things we're trying to identify as is what type of business people are in. And miles was talking about this whole concept as far as agencies. Speaker 4: 04:49 Yeah. No, I'm like, it's, you know, a lot of people are like, I don't have a product. I don't have have any information to sell or any of these, any of these things, but with the new monitor phone we've rolled out, there's all these templates and they're literally plug and play replacing an image and the headline and I think that that's going to benefit a lot of people looking to get in kind of the agency realm because I'm to start an agency, you know, there's a lot that goes into it, but you don't have to have your own product. You can help other people. We had west Bewley on just a few episodes ago and he was talking about. He's kind of has an agency model going on. He looks for three things and click clickfunnels. I'm sure you can attest to it. He looks for one that he can build a funnel for two, three hours a day or two. You only need to spend a few hours a month on it and then three a is profitable from the get go. And so, I mean, with click funnels and you can attest to it, it can really help someone kind of get an agency up and going off off the ground and probably see some of the same success, you know, that maybe not the same degree that you as as far as the million and 10 months. But getting that first win. Speaker 3: 05:53 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, and it comes down to a point. The only challenge really is how do I sell local businesses on this? Because the fulfillment side of things between click funnels, the community people willing to help you out, facebook ads, the ease of it, the, the only challenge is literally trying to sell clients and get them to join you and pay you money in order to run those ads and get new customers in. But the great thing is we are literally doing what most. So I work with small, local, local businesses, right? I work with a lot of small businesses across America. What is the biggest struggle for most of all small businesses across America? Getting more customers. Right? And so it makes it so easy. So we've got something that's great that we can go sell to people and the fulfillment is so easy, man. Speaker 3: 06:39 Man, I, I can't say enough good things about click funnels. Nick, I want to. Two quick questions. The first one is I want to break down this whole agency model because this is a thing that everyone starts. It's becoming pretty rampant. Is Miles is going to test you right now and that is we have a lot of people say they're, they've got a digital agency but there's so many different facets of that agency that you can focus on. Sometimes it's an agency runs just facebook, others, it's an agency that focuses on creating funnels and another one is an agency that is based on helping systematize and existing product or service. Another one is helping them automate and take things to the next level. So when you talk about a digital agency from what you're doing right now, what, what's that mean? Yeah, absolutely. And that is a really important question because a lot of people screw up at the beginning when they're trying to start agencies because I helped coach what agency or you know, new agency owners and they try and be everything to everybody. Speaker 3: 07:32 They're an email marketing company, their website design, their seo, their facebook, their everything. My advice specialize and specialize so hardcore that you only are speaking to one specific type of client. And I want to give you an example. We made a million dollar company by selling one ad and one landing page, literally one image, one ad copy and one landing page, right? And it was for osteoarthritis of the knee using hyaluronic acid injections. That's how I can't even smell that. Still can't spell it, but it's so important to niche down and specialize. It's okay to specialized guys. That's what I want to tell everybody. It's like you don't need to be everything to everybody. You don't want to be a master at everything. If you're working from your basement and your a Solo Prenuer, you aren't good at everything. Like quit acting like you are. Get good at one thing. Speaker 3: 08:26 Learn how to sell that one thing and go help one specific type of client and then once you start to grow, you build a team. Sure you can add more services. Right? But so many people, they're the Jack of all trades. Quote always comes to my mind, you know, Jack of all trades, master of none. You've got to specialize. I'm going to lose even though I'm a better marketer than you know, a majority of the roof guys out there. I could probably be, I could learn the roofing industry and about a week I'm going to lose nine times out of 10 to the roofing consultant, the roofing marketing agency, because they're speaking the language, you know, even though I can figure it out because I understand marketing at this point, like you've got to, you've got to specialize in a niche. The niche, like not only do you want a niche, you want to niche down even deeper, right? Speaker 3: 09:08 So if you're working with plastic surgeons, you want to work with rhinoplasty, you know, like it really, really specific and it makes it so much easier to sell those clients from a to z. It makes it easier to sell, it makes it easier to prospect, and it also makes it easier to duplicate and scale your advertising and what you're actually creating for the specific clients. Oh my gosh, I love that. I mean from one, it echos everything. Todd and expert secrets as far as basically starting off with the three markets and going down to a son and I didn't plan this. I don't know if we're talking about secrets on his trip to Chicago. I love it there. There's two bucks. And then here's the other one which was also recommended at click funnels of ethics. So, but I think that's real important and that is too often even people in the digital marketing agency, they find themselves in a red ocean and they're going, I'm, I can't make any money. Speaker 3: 09:57 And maybe that's. Maybe that's what it was for the first 10 months of Zeros is if you're fighting their red ocean, there's just no opportunity. No. So how in the world did you decide on whatever that long word was that ended in arthritis as your niche? So that's a great question. So what I did, and it's super important for anybody who's looking to actually start a local business agency, you've got to find industries that buy leads, right? So not only to have to find issue the bylines and pay money for advertising. So I started looking through newspapers. I started looking through mailers, listening to radio TV and I kind of stumbled upon it, you know, I didn't know that it was hyaluronic acid, I just saw that there was a lot of people who are advertising for knee pain injection. So I had to go look at it. Speaker 3: 10:37 I'm like, what is this, you know? And so I got drawn to that because one of my mentors always told me, he's like, if you want to find the best prospects, the industries that buy leads and go in there and work with them, you know, don't worry about competition, you know, don't worry about competition if they're, if they're advertising for that means there's money to be made, which means you need to be in that industry. Right? And then it's down once you get in. So I kind of lucked upon it honestly. Like, I mean, we really did, it came up and one of the first calls I heard this hyaluronic acid procedure and they said there was a big insurance coverage so it's easier to close the leads, Blah Blah. And then I was like, you know what, I'm going all in on that. And I decided to really hyper specific focus in on it and worked out all right, I'd say 10 months, seven figures, that's, that's an okay return. Speaker 3: 11:28 That's not too mad about it. But as, as you brought up before, you know, I spent the previous 10 months when I was trying to do something, you know, an agency or whatever. And I had no, I had no client Avatar that I was working towards. I had no specific niche, I wasn't specialized. I was everything to everybody. I actually went to BNI groups, chamber of commerce stuff and I was told no by like 200 business owners to my face. I was even trying to sell an seo package for $499 a month or so, a million years. And I couldn't sell that, you know? And it wasn't until we literally niched down and got super specialized that I was able to have conversations with the business owner and talk business owner, the business owner and help them with everything. And they're like, Holy Shit, a marketing company, companies never spoke to me like this before. Speaker 3: 12:16 They've never, you know, use this terminology and it's been so beneficial. And we still stay very specialized today. We don't even know we're doing 4 million this year. Um, we still don't. We don't play outside of our route. And as such, valuable advice, I hope everyone is listening to catching onto that. I actually made the mistake that you talked about where I was literally just thinking any business owner when I first started my agency, Gosh, 10 plus years ago, before facebook, I thought at that time basically anybody know if they had a business. They were a client. And I remember my very first client was an amish furniture store and then he had absolutely no money and I was trying as far as they possibly could to save this company. And bottom line is I lost a ton of money and they ended up declaring bankruptcy and that was the end of that marketing. Speaker 3: 13:04 And one of the biggest things for anybody who's listening, who's working with an agency, be very, very wary of anybody who is not currently spending money in marketing dollars because they still have to be able to close the leads. So we actually qualify the business owners, right? Like we need to make sure they're spending money, we need to make sure that they're actually have a sales process. They know their close rates, things of that nature. Because there's so many people when they're getting started. Like, oh my uncle owns a flower shop down the road, you know? And maybe we can say, and it's like you never want to be the savior for the company. You know, as you say, like you don't ever want to say that because then all of a sudden they're going to be a nightmare to you and they're going to be texting you at all hours of the night and it's going to keep you up at night. Speaker 3: 13:47 And it's just, it's not worth it for a $500, thousand dollars management fee, you know, go find people that are already spending money and show them how to spend that money better. That's what it's all about. And right now it's all about going after traditional advertising, right? I mean the newspaper, TV, radio costs are through the roof. I'm not saying you can't get an Roi on those. You can, but they're through the roof and most people don't do it properly. And I always use this example in, in my groups and people I talked to in Oklahoma City for one Sunday run one, one full page answer in the Sunday run in Oklahoma City, got $15,000. Imagine what we can do with a $15,000 budget on facebook where give people like a billion leads using using click funnels van. So go out to people who are spending money. That's one of the biggest things I would tell anybody. Oh Man, I seriously, I hope you guys who are listening and taking, if you're driving the car, you need to pull over and take notes on this one because what you just said I think is so credit to things I picked up there. One is you have to understand there is a language with every single industry and the better you are at speaking that language, the easier it is for you to close that type of a business Speaker 2: 14:51 owner. The other thing which I think is so valuable what you just said, nick, and that is you know what their cost is for advertisements outside of online marketing because if you know that you know what type of leads and how much they already spent it, they're spending 15 grand. I think it goes a long way in a facebook ad campaign, let alone you know what the Roi is typically there. I mean it's really easy to go in and say, so you're spending $15,000, how many leads do you get out of that? How many of those are you call? I mean, it just opens up. It's a totally different conversation. So nick, it's so cool for me to see, I love people who have immersed themselves in their business as deeply as you have. Congratulations. Speaker 5: 15:30 Absolutely man. Well, it's been a long struggle. You know, it's been a roller coaster to figure this stuff out and I, you know, I do. Speaker 2: 15:39 So these basically sitting in a hotel room in Chicago, upw just finished internet crashes because he's just dropping so many value bombs, internet, they could not keep up with nick. So, uh, do you remember where we were? If not, Speaker 5: 15:51 I don't, but I will say something about ut upw in, in Chicago, and I will say, I want to say to all the listeners, focus on your mind and focus on your psychology. It is the most important gift that you could ever give yourself in regards to life. Man. Aaron knew your son was over here is the coolest thing ever. I wish I could have met up with them. I wish I'd known ahead of time because it's so important because without the right psychology, without the right mindset, you can't get anywhere. Of course you're not going to sound anything. You're not going to be able to grow, so that's what I got on that upw, is that. Speaker 2: 16:22 I love it. Yeah. So my son Parker or my other son, Chandler and his wife ran were both there. So anyways, let's go back to where we were and that is you were talking about here as far as not being the savior for these companies and situations where so many people, when they think of the agency model, they think I'm going to go out and I'm going to just. I'm sure there's somebody will take, take my business and it kind of goes back to what you just said is about mindset. That is I think when a lot of people start off in the agency model, they don't understand the true value which they're able to bring and so they think I just have to get a client and whoever it is, it doesn't matter. So if you don't mind, kind of pick things up there and let's go from there. Speaker 5: 16:57 Yeah, absolutely. So one of my, one of my main mentors in life, he has something that I love to say. He's like, look, if you're an online marketer, stop hanging out with other online marketers, you guys, you guys don't charge enough, you know, he's like, go hang out with the big agencies because what we don't understand that the value we provide is so strong, especially in this day and age compared to what the big agencies do. I mean, I was just talking with one of my, one of my buddies who met me out here in Chicago and he is, I'm bidding for multimillion dollar yearly deal with a big agency. The big agencies like boosting posts. There's no direct response. There's no tracking, there's no anything. And that's a big agency they're doing because they don't know what to do. So we don't understand the value that we provide. And as I was saying earlier, like the biggest need for small businesses in America is new customers and that's what we provide. You know? And so many people are so scared to talk to people about that and go do it. So it's important to know your value. And there's a big paradox because a lot of times when people are getting started, they feel more comfortable with, you know, small management fees and small businesses. But what's crazy is those are the hardest ones. Those are the ones that suck the life out of you. Speaker 4: 18:06 Oh yes. Speaker 5: 18:08 They suck the life out of you. When you work with someone who's got a big budget and that all they care about is metrics. It's all much easier. It's much easier. So it's like this weird paradox going on because we're nervous or scared, whatever. And they end up being the worst and then they get a bad experience. They might give up too early. Because the other thing I want to mention, just not giving up. You've got it. If you want to build a life from your own, if you want to build a life, bottom line marketing, build an agency role, things like that, it's going to take some work. It's going to take some ups and downs, you know, so you've got to be able to put up with rejection. You've got to not give in when you know you're told no things of that nature and focus on bigger clients and I'm going to take it back to what I said earlier. Some clients that are already spending money, that's what you want to focus on that as the biggest key and it's specifically in in a traditional world because you can be radio, TV, newspaper, all day, everyday, online unfp that good doubt being, you know, Speaker 4: 19:03 so miles. What do you think? I've been doing most of the talking. I'm gonna let you die down on this stuff here. Okay, well I'm fine. Diamond in the last time I said something when I was starting to sweat, talking too much. No, I think nick, I have a question for you as far as you know, I think a lot of people out there when they get started, they're trying to figure out what they're doing, but then they also want to get that first one. I think that first one is it builds momentum. That's how. I know you said you spent 10. We've had advice for people just starting out. What would your advice be to them to really find that balance of really diving in deep research as much as they can, but also getting that win as quickly as possible? Speaker 5: 19:38 Yeah, absolutely, and I think this is a great question and the two things I would recommend, and I might catch some flack, there might be some people's and gurus out there who would disagree with me on this, but I think that, you know, coming from the clickfunnels community, Russell Brunson, I think it's important. Run a trial, get results immediately, do it, do it cheap and get results. Go find somebody, family, friend within your network, offer them $500, whatever it might be, to connect you with business owners. Run a trial, guys like, I mean, get some results because it helps you in so many ways. One, it helps you get results for the client. It helps you build confidence in your sales process and it can help you sell, right? And you want to get testimonial videos. One of the most important things we can have, the 2018 is testimonial videos to help us sell our stuff. Speaker 5: 20:19 So I immediately reached out to friends, family, whoever you've got in gold, get some results, like get results. Okay. You don't have to sell a $10,000 management fee up front with no results. Like that's hard. It's, I, I'll be honest, it's hard, you know. So go run a trial, do something like that. And then people overlook networking events and at what BNI is and chamber of commerce can do, you know, especially getting started now, it's not always good. I spent several months, it'd be an and lost a lot of money and didn't do anything. But with the right process, with the ability to generate, you know, to run trials, things like that. It can be huge. So utilize your family and friends at work and I think a lot of people are afraid of doing that because of the mlm model, because of multilevel marketing. They don't want to ask their friends, but you've got to remember that we, we don't, we're never gonna make money unless we actually bring an Roi to our client. So we should probably go all in on that. Right? You know, we should probably bet on ourselves, you know, if we're going to sell marketing, hopefully we can make our clients money, you know, so p, I people overlook that. So networking and then family and friends. The two biggest things that immediately you can get started with Speaker 2: 21:27 fantastic women. Take it to the next level and that is, you've talked about this opportunity where you went zero to seven figures in 10 months and now you basically 10 x in ideally within the next 20 to 24 months. So what are you and what are other businesses who are already at seven figures? How do they get to eight? Speaker 5: 21:44 Yeah, that's a great question. Systems and processes. It is the one thing that I completely overlook. I'm a sales guy on the type of guy who wants to go fast and break shit and sell things really, really hard. And I actually broke our agency at one point, like literally I sold 35 clients over a two month period. To give you an example, we did $275,000 revenue in one month. Two months later we did 100,000 because we lost 60 clients in $175,000 a month because our operations, our systems, our processes were not in place. So the only thing I'm focused on right now because I'm better sales process that you know I can sell stuff for sure all day long is becoming a business operator, a business owner, somebody who can help the people in front of me and my employees. I've got 18 employees now do what they're supposed to do because that is by far my biggest headache. Speaker 5: 22:36 And then on top of that, it is this, this concept of continually dialing in your x factor, what makes you different and how do you make it so that when you bring a client on, they cannot leave you if they leave you, their business is going to just fall out. So to give you an example of that, so we run ads, we built funnels, we do email marketing lots, but we started a call for it recently in order to schedule appointments and get people in the door. So we can take that off our clients' hands. That right there, that's our x factor, you know, and we've got some hiccups along the way, but that's what we're really working towards and it's gonna make it so that if the client wants to leave us, all new patients are going to stop. They're done. We own everything. We own the funnels, we own the ad accounts, we own everything. So continually dialing that teeth in and you see that in big businesses all across the world. You know, apple is a perfect example. You know, if I wanted to switch from an iphone to an Android, I lose all my contacts. I lose so much stuff, you know. So that's really the biggest operator and then continually being more valuable to your client Speaker 2: 23:37 man. Value bombs left and right. Okay. Real quick, I'm going to. I'm reading this book right now. It's called play bigger. You haven't read it. You got to get this one. Speaker 5: 23:47 I have not read it. I'll pick it up right now. Speaker 4: 23:50 Honestly, it's, it's all about becoming a category king. It's been a game changer for me. I honestly, it is the best book I've ever read, uh, especially for where we are right now. Who is the author on that play bigger? The book is play bigger and the, there's four different authors a l ramp, Ramadan, Dave Peterson, Christopher lochhead and Kevin Maney. Speaker 5: 24:14 Okay, perfect. Yep. I'm going to get it right now. And one thing on books, Jessica W, we bring that up and you guys saw that I had two books literally with you right now. The more you learn, the more you earn. Okay. Do not use an excuse to not take action, but you must study constantly. One of the biggest things that I feel has been one of the biggest reasons why we've been able to get to kind of explode on the scene is I'm obsessive about getting better. I'm obsessing about learning. I read 100, a hundred books a year in and listened to hours and hours, dozens, hundreds of hours of training and continually getting better. And I've spent over a $100,000 out of my own pocket out of my own pocket and the last 18 months on mentorship and training courses. It is so important. The Roi you get on that is just indescribable and so many people think that learning ends once they're done with school or college or whatever and no wonder they don't actually have a big victory in life. Most people stay in the same spot. Go learn something. You can separate yourself from the field because most people are lazy. They really are. Speaker 4: 25:16 I teach my kids. The only thing I ever cared about is that they love to learn. I don't care what they do, but you have to love to learn. Well, Nick, I know you've got a ton of things going on. You've been so valuable to us and having you here. Any parting words from you? Miles literally unreal, like I can't wait to this episode drops so I can listen to it a couple times because Speaker 5: 25:33 just Speaker 4: 25:34 value bombs, gold nuggets in hopefully a lot of people will listen to this and take it to heart like you know, net net worth is in the network. The more you learn, the more you earn and really immerse yourself into anything that you have a passion for that you want to turn into kind of a career or an lifestyle. So nick was awesome, man. Speaker 5: 25:53 The only thing I want to leave with one more thing for anybody listening because I think everybody needs to hear this. This is not an easy journey. If we're literally trying to build a life of our own on our own terms as most of us here in the clickfunnels community do, it takes work. Okay? It's scary. It's scary to reach out to the business owner. It's scary to do certain things, but what scares me the most is working till I'm 65 years old and you know, maybe having a couple of years of my life while on my own terms. Right? That should scare you a hell of a lot more than reaching out to a business owner or starting your own business or are betting on yourself. Right? So I just want to give everyone a vote of confidence. You can do this. Anybody can do it. The people who are doing it are no better than you, they just are taking action that you're not willing to take, so get out there, take some action, bet on yourself, burned Speaker 2: 26:44 the boats and make it happen. That's all I got. Well, one last thing is I know I'm going to get hammered and if I don't tell it right now, people are going to be asking how do I get a hold of nick? So if you want to get a hold of nick is going to be at seven figure crusader nation. This is the facebook page, so go to facebook, look up, look up seven figure crusader, spelled with a k, k, r, u, s a, d, e r, so seven figure crusader nation. You can hook up with all his value bombs. Just drop here. He's doing them out there as well. Any other places that they should reach out to you yet? Nah, man. That's the best place. We got a facebook group, super active. I'm dropping all kinds of free stuff because this is a passion for me. Like I mean there's too many people are unhappy with their lives. What they're currently doing, let's raise everybody up. There's no competition in my eyes. Everybody. There's so much business out there. Let's go help other businesses makes more money. Let's utilize like funnels. Let's build some agencies and let's live life on our own terms for once. Let's go against everything that society taught us to believe and let's make it happen. I love it. Thank you so much nick. Enjoy your time in Chicago. We'll talk real soon, but you're got it. Thanks guys. Speaker 6: 27:47 Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few hundred thousand dollars so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, I only just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as at the you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Dave Woodward reviews the importance of team building and breaks down how to efficiently design the right winning team. He refers to the latest superhero movies as a good comparison, and explains how every person has a particular set of skills he/she can use to flourish. What is your superpower? When building a team, it is important to distinguish roles according to personal strengths. He talks about the benefits of attracting the right people to your project who share the same passion and believe in your project/vision. Dave believes power-teams are created when individuals come together, share the same goal, and all contribute in areas they are most passionate about. Are you ready to build a team of superheroes? Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Building A Dream Team (1:03) Replacing Yourself As A Business Owner (8:07) Quotable Moments: "First and foremost is you better be creating for yourself, your own power team. It's really super important that as you take a look at who you associate with, that you're attracting as many of the best people as you possibly can." "The faster you can replace yourself, the quicker you're gonna be able to get to the next level, whatever that next level might be." "The most important thing for you if you want to climb the corporate ladder fast is you've got to find your replacement. The problem most people have with finding the replacement is they feel like as soon as they replace themselves, they're going to no longer have a job." Other Tidbits: Dave Woodward reviews the importance of team building, attracting the right people to your project and breaks down how to efficiently design the right winning team. He refers to the latest superhero movies as a good comparison and believes power-teams are created when individuals come together, share the same goal, and all contribute in areas they are most passionate about. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here is your host, Dave Woodward Speaker 2: 00:17 back. Everyone. This is kind of a different podcast is a little bit of things in review. What I mean by that is recently there've been a lot of movies that have come out and they've all been based around superheroes and this ideas for our super powers, whether you're looking at the avengers or DC or marvel or whatever it might be. And I want to Kinda relate this to building your own team and I take him if you've seen any of the movies recently. Last year they had justice league, uh, recently we've had the avengers infinity war and one that came up just not too long ago was ant man and the wasp. And I know you guys would probably think I'm going totally crazy here as far as what in the world does this have to do with marketing? Well, it has absolutely everything to do with it and that's what I want to share with you when you're looking at building your team. Speaker 2: 01:03 One of the things that comes across is what is everybody's super power? What is your superpower? What is your superpower? And the. I had the conversation the other day about Superhero Jealousy or superhero power jealousy, and it was kind of along the lines as far as ant man being frustrated with the wasp and the fact that you're stable flies you to do all these other crazy things, and he was like, why don't I have those powers that this just doesn't seem fair. And it's been an interesting thing is we've been looking here at kind of building a Dream Team with the internal agency here at click funnels. It's gotten to the point where I'm like, man, what is my. I'm almost hopeless that I find myself going. I think I've got a little, a superhero power, jealousy, envy going on. I mean you take a look at our team. Speaker 2: 01:50 We've got Julie who is just absolutely insanely amazing at time management organization and writing. I mean, this girl can get done more than anyone else I've ever known as fast as possible and yet it's just this crazy quality and Karen is just this phenomenal copywriter. You take a look at. Steven has been crushing as far as offer creation and funnel building and jake has got these mad skills as far as graphics and Nick's been doing these crazy things, pulling everything together literally out of the blue with funnels. And then you take a look at Dana derricks and he's got this dream, 100, these crushing and then you've got James who's just amazing at assistant and, and automation and making things happen. And Jada has now taken her and found her new skillset as far as writing these crazy, crazy storytelling, uh, emails and I take a look at Brent and he's got this amazing ability to be present and, and just so carrying things and I'm saying they're going, gosh, what in the heck am I doing? Speaker 2: 02:50 What is my problem? Why? What's my power? And it's been a kind of a fun conversation. Russell. I were there other day and I had this. I'm like, Geez, I feel like I've got superhero power envy and my only reason I'm bringing this up is twofold. First and foremost is you better be creating for yourself, your own power team. It's really super important that as you take a look at who you associate with, that you're. You're attracting as many of the best people as you possibly can. If you take a look at the the Justice League and how the Justice League was formed by bringing together. It wasn't just Batman. They brought in Superman and they bring it in wonder woman and Augmentin and all these people have their own different skillsets, but together they're so much better. I'll take a look. The vendors affinity towards same type of thing where you bringing in characters from all all over the world and galaxy and everything else, and my only reason I'm mentioning this is somehow I don't know all these characters as well as my kids do. Speaker 2: 03:48 I mean, my son Parker seems to know every single person's backstory, their superhero powers and all this crazy stuff, but the one thing I do know, and that is when you're looking at assembling your own team, you really need to make sure that you focus and bring in other people's strengths that you find a way of. So often you want to think, well, I'm just going to find someone who can just do a little bit of what I do and, and duplicated. Realize you don't want them to just duplicate. You want them to literally whatever. You're not good at bringing that person in first. So stop doing the things that you don't like to do. Bring that person in who's great at it. I suck at swimming. So first thing I ran, I, if I needed that would be aquaman because I need that super hero power. Speaker 2: 04:34 Um, I take a look at, uh, we've had the opportunity here in the last year, every fall I can live with creating different, a comic books and it's been fun kind of pulling together our different vendors, types of characters and things. As I take a look at a click funnels, a vendors group, it's we look at some of our affiliates and I remember taking a look at some of our very first affiliates who are our top affiliates and the way they were doing it, a semen. It was the very first one who really just crushed it because he has this amazing ability to be what he was first when it came to really getting out there with in the blogging community about a comparison between clickfunnels and that time, lucky pages, and so because of that, he was one of our top affiliates, but since then we've had four or five others go on to surpass him with their own superhero powers and I think it's important that you take a look when you're trying to assemble your own team. Speaker 2: 05:32 Find out who's great at things. It's one that you don't like to do or other things that you may not be as strong APP and don't be afraid to feel that by giving them control over that or the ability to do that, that you're any weaker and accomplishing that. One of the fun things we did on this last comment as we brought together the two comma club x coaches, uh, the, one of my favorite lines obviously came from, I think it was even justice league, where, you know, Batman's being questioned as far as, well, what's your superhero power? And Russell was so excited on this one. Basically say, well, I'm rich. And that happened to be a superpower that's got. Russell's got a million other superpowers. But that was kind of a fun one that we were talking about was just this idea that every single person has their own superhero power. Speaker 2: 06:18 And I think the problem I've seen in an organization, and you start bringing together all these amazing people, all of a sudden you start thinking, Gosh, I'm, I'm not that great are, I'm not as good as some of these other people. And you start comparing yourself to others. Realize one of the best abilities anyone can have is the ability to bring other superheroes together. And as you have that capacity to bring other superheroes together and allow them to excel and really accomplish even greater things. That is probably one of the strongest superhero powers that you could ever have, is the ability to assemble other superheroes, so as you're looking at building your team, make sure that one of the skillsets that you get very good at is identifying who's better or who can do things in a way that's more effective than you and attract them. Speaker 2: 07:07 Find ways of attracting them to your project, to your mission, to your passion. It's one of the things that Russell is amazing. That is the ability to attract quality people. The other thing is identify what is your superhero power? What are you really good at? And doubled down on that. Immerse yourself in finding ways of making that skill set even bigger and better and stronger so that you literally control and dominate that whole superhero power. So I know this is kind of a different podcast interview. I was a topic we had literally because of a movie that came out the other day, but I was. I've seen this in our facebook group. I've seen, as I've talked to others, we're all of a sudden as they start bringing something that their team, they start feeling like they're just not as good and all of a sudden it's this weird superhero power envy or jealousy thing that comes up and I just wanted to make sure you guys understand the importance of realizing the most critical piece is the ability to assemble the team. Speaker 2: 08:07 So bringing that team together, find out who they are. Double down on that and understand as a business owner, one of your most important things is to be able to replace yourself. I remember years ago and one of the very first advisor, the only job I really ever had when I was working for someone was in a large corporate insurance agency model where we were. We had literally thousands of agents across the country and it was fascinating to me as I was, you know, looking at different things, going up the career ladder and everything else. The Guy, my boss at that time, he said, you know Dave, the most important thing for you if you want to climb the corporate ladder fast is you've got to find your replacement, and he says, the problem most people have with finding the replacement is they feel like as soon as they replace themselves, they're going to no longer have a job. Speaker 2: 08:56 He says it's totally the opposite. He says, the faster you can replace yourself, the quicker you're gonna be able to get to the next level, whatever that next level might be. For you and I, my kids were out at a Tony Robbins event this last weekend that a upw and I've seen the same thing. It reminded me of a conversation that you know Tony had had with people years ago and someone basically said to Tony, you know, next year I'm going to be just where you at next year. I'm going to be exactly where you are, and he goes, great, fantastic. I think you should be just realized by the time you get to where I am, I will be 10 steps further ahead than you and realize that you're never going to be in a situation of of basically not having a skillset that isn't marketable or of not being able to get to that next level, so work on your own superhero power for getting, being jealous of others, and assemble your own avengers team. Have an amazing day and we'll talk to you soon. Speaker 3: 09:54 Everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get that next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time, if there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if there's people you like me to interview, more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Why Dave Decided to talk to Chef Keith Snow: Chef Keith Snow rose through the ranks to become Executive Chef at one of Colorado's premier ski resorts and now has his own Harvest Eating Youtube Channel that focuses on teaching people how to make local and seasonal cooking a way of life. He authored the best selling cookbook: The Harvest Eating Cookbook, and also runs The Harvest Eating Podcast. Keith talks about funnels, how he used his experiences and passion to create several online learning cooking courses, and discusses ways online culinary learning can change your life. His online learning platform, Tasty Education, uses video to provide detailed and niche-focuses instruction for people. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Using Free Plus Shipping Offer As A Funnel Method (4:28) Creating A Continuity Offer Sales Model (11:15) Funnel Stacking For Profits (17:57) Quotable Moments: "If I can get them into more peoples' hands without losing too much money by doing this free plus shipping offer, I'm going to be creating a lot more customers too." "You have to go into this at the very beginning saying, am I trying to get customers or am I trying to get buyers?" "A lot of people just always feel like they have to start with the lead magnet. There's nothing better than starting with someone actually paying you money. So start with that." Other Tidbits: Chef Keith Snow discusses how he utilizes Click Funnels in his business model and he gives quality tips and tricks based off his own personal experiences. He talks about the specifics behind his online course and discusses the importance of food storage and culinary learning. He prides himself in getting people to understand their pantry should be filled with food! Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back this day Speaker 2: 00:18 Woodward, I'm your host. This is funnel hacker radio and you guys are in for a real treat today. I have the op team having Keith snow, chef Keith snow on the show today and Keith is a guy, has been crushing it as a chef for years and years and he's had his own TV show. He's got his own products and everything else, but he's been just trying to figure out the best way of getting things online as far as or as far as ingredients and spices and everything else, and I talk to you about this funnel he's got that's going crazy, but most importantly some of the cool stuff that you're going to learn not only about funnels, but also about building your own survival pantry and some of the other cool stuff that he's doing in his business. So Keith, welcome to the show. Speaker 3: 00:58 Hey Dave. Thanks for having me. Speaker 2: 01:00 I'm so happy. So happy to have you write a little bit of an issue last time on the record is we're gonna make sure this one works. So what I want to do, if you don't mind, is tell people a little bit about this whole idea as far as harvest eating. What is it that, what's this whole harvest eating thing you've got? What is your funnel? How's it work? Speaker 3: 01:17 Sure. Well, harvest. Anything was a brand that I started back in 2005 and that was right when the farm to table movement started happening. Everybody was still eating some low carb food. Then Atkins Diet and all that. But I was on the forefront with slow food international and doing um, farm to table cuisine. So I put up a website I just left. I'm a big job out in Colorado as executive chef of a ski resort. So I started researching and cooking and doing a lot of stuff in regards to the farm to table movement. I was a little ahead of time because it didn't really start to hit until about 2009. But throughout that period, like you mentioned, that had, um, tv shows and eventually I had my own cookbook still on Amazon. It's the harvest ddn cookbook. During that time I got into selling some products, some spices and sauces. And it's, uh, it's been just a lot of fun since that. Okay. Speaker 2: 02:18 What has been on your own site? You've got a shopify store. I think we're on a, in fact one of our buddies over at Amazon selling machine or I guess amazing selling machine now. A correct things there. Uh, did a podcast interview with you awhile back and recommended you guys. You take a look at click funnels. So you've only been on the platform here for just about a month, six weeks or so. I want to tell people a little bit about where you were before and what's happened in the last six weeks. Speaker 3: 02:45 Sure. Well, I didn't want to take my products into traditional retail where they've always been in the past and I had hooked up with, you know, consultants and a guy who helps people with Amazon stores Speaker 3: 02:59 and we, we were talking back in 2015 and he helped me get into Amazon and then he asked me recently to come on the show again and I did and he mentioned something that I guess was pretty profound. He's like, have you ever heard free plus shipping offer? And of course I'd never heard of a free plus shipping offer. It No. Didn't know what he was talking about. And then, um, he said, yeah, it gives people a chance to try your product to get a new customer. Um, you know, you have to give the product away, but they cover the shipping, shipping and handling. It's a great way to build your list because my product cells, the repeat sales and the lifetime value of the customer is very, very strong. So you said you need to get on click funnels. And of course I'd never heard of click funnels either. Speaker 3: 03:43 Um, I thought a funnel was something you used to put oil in the car, but he said no, it's a, it's an internet thing and you can sell stuff and it works really well and it's different from a website. So anyway, while I was on the call with them, they promised to help me set it up and I'm, they said a visit click funnels and it took me, I don't know, week or so to um, I got the free trial, quick funnels and started messing around and they helped me with some of the steps inside. Um, but through that time I realized that you guys have just amazing support. I use all kinds of software as a service programs from autoresponders to web hosts, shopify, all these different things that I use. Okay. Kill you when you have a problem. It takes a day or so to get any a help. Speaker 3: 04:28 But with quick funnels, even though it can be a touch complicated in the beginning, there's such amazing support and I'm talking to support no two, three times a week and those guys are amazing. Creating videos for me and helping me. And I launched the first funnel and it was this free plus shipping offer and it's sitting right now@awebsitecalledtryharvesteating.com and people can get a sample of one of our best selling spices and just pay for shipping. And then I had built a, a, an upsell offer for six jars, put it out there and just sent an email to my customer list and Whammo it started that day and that was like a mid June and I've been getting sales ever since. And what I'm noticing is that even though I give away the, the free jar, I'm getting a lot of people taking the upgrade. I've made a couple of hundred new customers since then and just the average ticket bigger then what I see it on shopify, like people will go there and they'll buy one or two jars. But I'm, I'm getting people, I'm buying the one and then buying six and then coming back and going right back to the bottle and taking another sample and buying six. So it's been a pretty cool Speaker 2: 05:46 good. I appreciate you sending me the spices. We've tried them over the weekend. Absolutely amazing. These are probably the best biases I've ever tasted. I can see why you've got such a, I think you told me last time you in like the 90, 92, 93 percent reorder rate, some crazy number like that. Yeah. Speaker 3: 06:04 It's insane. And people, people through the years, I've had customers since 2017, um, that are buying these in. They do not want to be without them and they just, Ah, they just love him. So that's why I thought, you know what, um, if I can get them into more peoples' hands without losing too much money by doing this free plus shipping offer, Speaker 3: 06:25 I'm going to be creating a lot more customers too. Market to, and to stay in touch with and uh, so far. Okay. It just works, you know, when you're, when you're doing it on Amazon, like I was, I mean, I have no control over the customer. I really can't email the customer. I don't know. I'm not allowed to send them off the site. So controlling the, uh, the, you know, the sales process and using something like click funnels, it's just a smart way to go and, and the software is really easy to use when you're building pages. I mean there's so many templates and it's drag and drop and I've used a lot of different, you know, squarespace wordpress, I mean, you name it, I've used it, but this is very easy to get the job done. Speaker 2: 07:08 Well, I appreciate your kind words, your testimonial. I want to talk more about your funnel right now and that is to try harvest eating.com. Highly recommend you guys go get these for one. Spices are absolutely amazing. I think you should fit not only the three northern Italian spice that you get by the way you mentioned as far as why. Why Italian spice? Why is that the first one instead of one of your barbecue spices or other things? Speaker 3: 07:31 Well, you know what I mean, I first started with that one back on June twelfth and that one really great and then people were contacting me on. I may have been a lot of the same people who knows, but people were contacting me on facebook saying, we want to try your steak seasoning, we want to try your Montana steak seasoning. I have three or four steak seasoning. So I then created a situation where people could choose one of three and uh, so they could go in there, they get a free spice and they just pick the one that they want. And that was working well too. Speaker 2: 08:03 Okay. Speaker 3: 08:03 But to be completely honest with you, I, I'm going to start having Amazon fulfill the, the free plus offers for me. I'm connecting my shopify store so that way it's okay. Mean when you get 30 orders in a day, all of a sudden you realize, wow, you're, you're a, you're in the shipping business. I want to be like Trey Lewellen, but I don't want to be a having a bunch of people hired for shipping. So what I've just done is I sent in a bunch of inventory to Amazon and then once they actually just got an email, they're checking it in today. Once it's all checked in, change the funnel to where the products are already built, I'll change it so people can pick up the one they want. But um, they were all going, you know, pretty equally. A lot of people are very familiar with. They like mine. Speaker 2: 08:54 I love. So the cool thing is, again, it's to ship, it's the two step order form, shipping, address and information on the front end. You didn't go to your range and you pay for the shipping a payment. There's an order form bump. It's a real low order form bump. It's like what was three 99, four 99 for the, uh, the video, Speaker 3: 09:14 I think it's three 99 for a series of right now it's 10 videos and I've got more of them than I'm editing, showing people how to use the spices because people through the years emailed me countless time. How do I use them, how do I use them? And I just, you know, I've got three, four decades of. I started cooking when I was 14 in restaurant. I'm 51 now, so I've been at the game a long time and I just thought, I mean, you put the spices on, you cook it, what is it? What do you need a recipe for? Why do you need instructions? But okay, you know, that's just me being an idiot because people, people need help with that. So I said, all right, that'll be my order bump. And I shot eight videos, edited those [inaudible] I do a lot of videos and then I um, started putting those for the order bump and a ton of people that have been taking them. Speaker 2: 10:04 No, I think it's great. I'm noticing basically even your free plus shipping prices. Six 99 even you're going to find there's not much difference. Twenty six, 99 and 99. I'd probably increased that to seven 99. Get an extra buck on the front end. Also on the three 99 on the video, how to bundle. I would, I would totally split test out on a much higher price point. Your take rate, I think you said is way above 40 percent on the video, right? Speaker 3: 10:29 Yeah. I think it's like 42 percent. Speaker 2: 10:32 That's honestly I would see about increasing that price point split, test that and see if you can get that into the eight, nine, $10 range, especially if it's you're getting 10 different videos or stuff about the spices and just play around with that. The cool thing is you go from there to the order form after the order form bump, the Oto is six of the spices and your take rate on that was phenomenal and I think the main thing I want people, you guys are listening to this realize that it's all a matter of split testing these things. Every price point and dollars and things they change and realize. You have to kind of go into this the very beginning saying, am I trying to get customers or am I trying to get buyers? I'm sorry, I'm trying to get just people are looking lucky. Loser. I really want buyers. That's the best thing about free plus shipping offers. You get that first dollar and that first dollar is the most important dollar because once they get that, then they'll continue to spend more and more and more with you. Obviously, Keith, you been in that situation to where you're seeing people are spending repeat dollars. Do you have a continuity offer on this? Speaker 3: 11:32 No, I am thinking about creating a continuity offer. When we talk about my online course, we'll talk about some continuity, but yes, planning on. I'm moving over a lot of my content to click funnels and then creating membership as part of this and letting them take that as an order bump to because there's a lot of that I don't have published. Yes. Dozens and dozens and dozens of videos and recipes that are very popular. So I'll probably create a continuity offer hopper with that. Um, yeah, I mean it's exciting looking at, um, my upsell is about 18 to 20 percent, 45 and a half percent on the order bump, so I think people would, um, go into some continuity as well. Speaker 2: 12:16 No, I think it's fantastic. So again, we're listening to understand the importance of getting someone. There's a big difference. A lot of people just always feel like they have to start with the lead magnet. There's nothing better than starting with someone actually paying you money. So start with that. I love what you've done on this aspect here. I would definitely keep that. Would take a look as far as increasing your prices. Uh, you're a premium product anyways. People are going to have any problem paying a little bit more for that kind of stuff. And then what I want to talk to you now about it. So now you've got this taste, this flavor for clickfunnels. You've gone ahead and you've started off with the free plus shipping product. You now have moved into a membership site. Tell people about what you're doing on the membership side. Speaker 3: 12:52 Sure. Well, I've got a, um, an online course. It's called food storage storage.com. And people can go there and they get a seven day free trial and after that it's $97 a year. And what the course is, oh, there's a lot of people that store food for emergencies for whatever zombies coming, but there's millions of people that store rice, beans, wheat, oats, you can buy the stuff in bulk. And then there's tons of people that are looking to lower their grocery bill. So I created this course, food storage fees. And what it does is it helps people, first of all, understand why everybody's pantry should be filled with food. Particularly if you have children. There's really no excuse not having food in there in case you know there's a power outage, a snow storm and ice storm or hurricane, whatever it might be. Hopefully we don't see a 2008 again, but a job loss. It could be an injury or anything like that can cause people a lot of stress. And if you've got a pantry full of food, the number one thing mess up is taken care of. It's insurance that you can eat. So I, I take people through why they need to store food, which foods to store. And then to date there's close to 60 videos showing people how to cook. Speaker 3: 14:09 Amazing foods, amazing recipes with very inexpensive food like rice and beans and wheat and oats and that has been a very successful course for me. Um, and people go on there and I can see who logs in and they log in all the time and they're just using the recipes and it's just been a great ride of course, but it's always been over@teachable.com and that's a pretty good service. But there's not a lot of, you know, like I called them up and said, hey, uh, what if somebody, you know, a lot of people aren't going to just spend $97, but can I get their email address? And then they said, yeah, you can, you can go to Zapier and you can create a zap and input this and you got to put in custom css code and you've got to call someone checklist Slovakia to program it and you know, all this kind of garbage. And in the end, um, there was just no easy way to collect email addresses. And I just find a lot of limitations on the, um, on the platform as far as the selling side, delivering the course materials quite well. So this is why after I saw the spice funnel taking off and saw how easy it was, I knew that I needed to build the, um, the, the selling effort through click funnels. So now that Speaker 3: 15:25 the chorus is sitting there at food storage fees that come with the free trial and um, you know, that's continuity there. It's $97 a year and there is just an incredible amount of video material for people to use. And you know, this course was originally designed for, um, you know, preppers and homesteaders and folks that store who, but what we found through the last couple years is that a lot of folks like moms that are looking to save money and families, um, that want to get out of debt. The whole Dave Ramsey crowd, uh, they have found the course and they use it. And I mean, I'm telling you right now, your buddies, if you need an extra $500 a month sitting in your pantry right now and I can guarantee you that if you eat at home or if you eat out and you start cooking at home and using the foods that are in this course, you will save a lot of money. And I, and I witnessed it for myself and we didn't suffer. And that was the important thing is the family loved it, the kids loved it. And they're exciting foods that I have in there. I mean, there's a lot of them. Speaker 2: 16:28 Ethnic Speaker 3: 16:29 cuisine. I'm looking inside the course. Speaker 2: 16:33 I'm just going to give you a couple of things. I mean to interrupt you on this one. So I grew up is that I'm a member of the church. Jesus Christ, Latter Day saints frequently knows Mormons. And so I, we've always been counseled to safe store food, you know, your supply of food and all this kind of stuff. And I remember growing up and having like dried milk, powdered milk was like the worst thing in the world. It was like just terrible, terrible, and I remember seeing all this stuff and I've even, I've got tons of food we've restored and typically it's been this freeze dried stuff that we bought on this. I bought from some, some supplier online and we never ever use it and so I was going through this thing. I'm actually looking here. You've got spiced corn pudding, a Thai fried rice, potato cakes, Korean barbecue beef. Then it's in Chili with beans, salt, cod potato cakes. I'm going, I never had any of that kind of stuff at all when we're looking at. Speaker 3: 17:25 Right. Speaker 2: 17:26 And I can guarantee that freeze dried stuff doesn't taste even half as good as these pictures look. So I'm really kind of impressed as far as what you've done. But I want to find out from, from a, from a funnel standpoint, if a person comes in on the seven day free trial, how many of them are actually, uh, taking the $97 per your membership? Speaker 3: 17:46 Well, to be honest, I don't have a lot of data because I really just. I'm just put it up. I mean, it's only been up a day or so and I have not marketed to it yet, so I don't have a lot of data Speaker 2: 17:57 that's not a problem. I think the great thing about, and really what I hope people who are listening will take away his. You're doing what we refer to as far as funnel stacking, where you've found one funnel on the front end, which is your free plus shipping offer. You're getting customers and your clients over there. You're making money on, you're acquiring these customers really at a profit and then you're turning around and introduce them, how to actually consume what you just sent them, which is just a brilliant model and I think it's fantastic. It's so you take a look who's ever listened to realized that one of the best things to do to really enhance it from a funnel stack is whatever product you're offering on the front end, you try to find some product they can purchase. They will actually teach them how to consume what they just purchased. It's been great for us. If you take a look at click funnels, we did the exact same thing with funnel Fridays where we go ahead and our funnel Fridays every single week, Jim Edwards and Russell get on and basically teach people, build a funnel for people on exactly how to use click funnels. You're doing it and they're actually paying you for it. So congrats. I think that's awesome. Speaker 3: 18:59 Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more and I'm, I'm a person that, you know, when those guys told me about click funnels, I immediately went and got Russell's book and read through it and um, I wanted to see exactly how you guys run your funnels and I've got to click funnels. Tee shirts. Alright. A tee shirt. The other day I went to a party and I had on like quickly tee shirts and uh, yeah, I wasn't as in your net. Well you're not in Salt Lake City, Utah and Idaho, but I was up in Salt Lake City and this guy, I walked in and he goes, oh, you're a click funnel. What's that? It was pretty interesting, but that's neat how you guys, um, how you brand yourself. Okay. Yeah, Speaker 3: 19:41 yeah, I'm finding that with the spices this funnel is giving, giving me a lot more control over the customer and it's allowing me to suggest different things and kind of keeping them, I want them to say no before they leave and this is a great way to do it. So I've got a feeling that the food storage course is going to do real well here and if people go to food storage fees.com, they can get a good idea of what's in there because there's quite a few videos that are just on the sales page and those are full length videos they can watch. But it's interesting and this has been something that, uh, that the course has done really well, particularly when I do an interview. Like I've done some pretty big radio interviews and um, you know, it's really, it's really produced. So I'm very hopeful that I can build it up and I think this is the way to do it with. Speaker 2: 20:35 Well, I appreciate that. Well, we look forward to following up with you probably in a year or so. And Sienna, senior status. I love having people who are brand new to click funnels are just getting started and using this kind of case they will follow up in about a year, see kind of where things are, but for those you guys who are listening to understand, again, the whole idea here is make sure you, you realize the principal, you kind of funnel stack the great thing that keats been doing here as I mentioned earlier, as he's as one funnel, which is basically a free plus shipping offer, acquiring customers at a profit and then turning around and communicating directly with them and introducing them into way to consume their product through his a membership course. So take a look at, try harvest eating.com. The links will be down in the show notes and then also take a look@foodstoragefeast.com and take a look at that. You'll kind of see the funnels that he's using and how things are working for them and most importantly a applied to your own business. See how things are going there. Keith, as we get close to wrapping things up, any parting words? Speaker 3: 21:31 No, just um, I would advise people to, you know, if they have anything to sell, whether it be information or products, you know, stores are great, Amazon is great, but um, you know, if you're on Amazon and I know because I'm in the Amazon community, a lot of forums and facebook groups, they can drop you in a moment's notice and I know people that were $50,000 a month on Amazon one day, one day, the next day they have no income, so this is really smart way to do it and sure you can just do an online store, but this gives you a lot more control and your average ticket goes up. So I would definitely advise people to look into quick funnels and the cost of it and the support that you get it, you know, it's, it's a winter. So, Speaker 2: 22:16 so much. Keith, I appreciate it. Have a great day. Hey Dave, thanks a lot. Speaker 4: 22:21 Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few hundred thousand so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people would like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Why Dave Decided to talk to Loyd Hale: Loyd Hale is the CEO of Modoma Health and Wellness, and currently owns medically directed health and wellness clinics in Dallas, Texas, specializing in physical medicine and rehabilitation. The clinics combine the benefits of massage with the medical practicality of physical therapy. A member of the prestigious 2 comma club and 8- figure award winner; Loyd discusses how to discover, integrate, and optimize using funnels for lead generation and model building aimed for practice growth. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Lead Generation Model And Facebook Ads: (4:43) Lifetime Value Of Clients: (11:33) Incorporating Clients Into Your Business Model: (14:35) Finding The Right People To Fill The Right Holes (20:03) Quotable Moments: "It always comes down to whoever can spend the most acquiring customers wins." "What would it look like if holistic practitioners were at the forefront of medicine." "Don't waste money on facebook ads that aren't working for you!" Other Tidbits: Loyd discusses how he was able to develop four integrated clinics using a multidisciplinary approach to treating patients. He talks about his journey to the prestigious 2-comma club and what has changed since the beginning. Loyd also passes on great tips about lead generation and advice to pursuing entrepreneurs. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back. Speaker 2: 00:18 This is funnel hacker radio. We're kind of on a new little toy car. I bought miles and he's going to help you with the interview as well. Um, my name's Dave Woodward, but the most important person is the one we're bringing on right now. I want to introduce you to one of our winners. He actually happens to be our newest eight figure award winner. And let me introduce you to the CEO of Madonna, Mr Dr. and Mr. which I go by here. Mr. Mr. Mr Lloyd here. Welcome to the show man. Speaker 3: 00:45 Hey, thanks for having me. I'm excited for this. Actually Speaker 2: 00:49 this is gonna be a lot of fun for us. So I tell people a little bit about your background. Did Isaac, chiropractor everything else and kind of what in the world are using clickfunnels for? Speaker 3: 00:59 Yeah, we will. First we use clickfunnels for like lead generation and then coming in for like a new patient, a promotion. And then really how I started was I, I'm actually not a chiropractor too, a lot of people, so we actually own a, an MSO is a management service organization and then uh, so the short of it is I uh, didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. Speaker 2: 01:27 Join the crowd. A lot of us are in that same situation, not knowing. Speaker 3: 01:31 So, um, I uh, I've seen him at a conference at school. My wife said, hey, you should probably volunteer somewhere to see if you like it. And I was like, well that's probably smart. And then so I volunteered there and then through the process, a big surgery, the marketing, they're now really liked that. I really saw that I liked the business side of it more in creating kind of an infrastructure so that other people can help people, you know, I saw kind of the compound result of creating a business that could satisfy that, you know, instead of actually being the provider that actually did the treatment, whatever it was. And so, um, you know, I started developing the site idea about incorporating, integrating, like doing an integrated clinic where you incorporate massage, stem cell there, you know, just stuff like that. And then it's uh, you know, we opened the first one about five years ago and I, uh, it was just me and my business partner and then it just kinda snowballed. Now we have four locations, like in the Dallas, Fort Worth area, and then this year, but hopefully next year we'll start franchising it too. So we're, we're getting geared up for that too. We actually have a james frill coming in next week to help us with our systems. Speaker 2: 02:50 Oh, fantastic. Speaker 3: 02:52 Yeah. Right, right. Yeah, I'm super excited about that. I'm trying not to like create like change anything right now. Speaker 2: 03:05 So basically the business model is, so it's the traditional chiropractic and then you've added massage. And what else did you add to it to cut the audio broke up there? Speaker 3: 03:14 Yeah, no, it's um, w we don't actually do chiropractic at all. Oh really? Speaker 2: 03:20 I'm so sorry. For some reason I got on this chiropractic kick, right? Speaker 3: 03:23 Apologize. Oh No, no, no, no, no, um, no because I came from a chiropractic background. Uh, that's what. No, it's just a no, it's physical therapy and Rehab and then we incorporate a massage into it too. Oh cool. So it's just kind of a, I, I, I worked at this wellness clinic that they, he sold this color that was like 150 bucks and like no one wanted to buy it, you know, and then when they did buy it, like it hurt their neck. So I was like, well why don't we sell like a mock, moderately priced pillow that actually people would use people just love like the environment, like massage, spa environment. So I was like, well this way we can really kind of emphasize that, that personalized care component. And so that's where it's evolved in integrated medicine. We created a framework is a discovery, integrate, optimize, and it's a. So at the center of that we put the person at the center of care, you know, so everything's really personalized to their specific needs, you know. Speaker 2: 04:34 So like on that are you, is a lot of this paid for by insurance? It's all cash and carry type of staff, both. It's a hybrid hybrid. Get and are you looking obviously as far as the franchise before we talked about the franchise thing, let's kind of go back with your current model. Obviously we're looking right now and behind you it's a two comma club plaques. So you've already hit the had. What'd you do first? Hit the first million, Speaker 3: 05:00 um, spend a lot of money on facebook. Speaker 2: 05:05 So you driving facebook ads in the application or they come in Speaker 3: 05:11 is often for a new client, new patient, special new. We actually call people clients before they actually start care, you know, because when we do, we have a massage component where there would, there's not any kind of medical oversight so they can get a massage with without that. And so when they're initiating with us, we typically just call it a of them a client. Speaker 2: 05:35 So what's the lead Gen model then? You're going from facebook ad, what are they, what's the first thing you're targeting Speaker 3: 05:41 the targeting as in what kind of person that. No, as far as the funnel, what's, where are you going to a landing page and they opt in there and then they go to what are they opting in for? A new client special, like an introductory like massage package. Yep. And then, uh, they go to, they don't pay for it there. Then you go to the scheduling page and then they request the appointment and then you know, if they, you know, so every step on the process. So if they drop out of it, there's a contingency, you know, we do a lot of text messaging. Okay. So if they opt in, the don't go to the light, you know, don't opt in, like don't actually request the appointment, then there's, we're pushing them to request, you know, and if they don't, uh, if they request and then we're pushing them to show. So we created kind of a methodology like, so like we said, you know, we won't call it different things. So it's kind of like we say no and push to request and that would be our play for that, you know. And so like every step, you know, we systemize it and you know, less holes Speaker 2: 06:51 for some reason I got the lawnmower, decided to landscape cut the grass anyway, so I want to kind of make sure. So if people are listening here, the idea then is you're taking them on a facebook ad. What's the demographic you're typically targeting then? Is it a female from a massage type of thing? You go and male and female? Speaker 3: 07:07 Yeah. We've always struggled with guys getting guys in. So a lot of times the women will like a added. They're hooked on the post and that's how we get guys in more than anything we don't, I don't even, I just do all to women. Okay. All right. Best what age group? Yeah, too many. What we usually do 28 to 64. Speaker 2: 07:30 Okay. So basically we between 28 to 64 to come in for a free massage or Speaker 3: 07:36 it's 49 bucks or nine bucks. I think we're going to raise the price actually to. I think it's probably too cheap because we don't want to be the cheapest. Speaker 2: 07:48 So they come in for the 49 bucks a what? What software are you using as far as the texting or using twillio? Skipio what do you typically use Speaker 3: 07:55 your phone? What does it fix your phone? Yeah. Speaker 2: 08:01 And then, so the followup that is through text or you also do an email and messenger? Speaker 3: 08:06 Uh, no, no, I've tried to play with Messenger. I just technically we could but the numbers didn't bear out to focus on it and the text messaging seems to be the best for us maybe for a local business. You know, so I, that's what my assumption was. I was trying to get messaging to work hardcore. I spent a lot of time and money and I just couldn't get it to work. I had this whole idea what I was trying to like get people to opt into messenger and then had this like health tips daily, you know, every other, you know, it just wasn't. Finally I just say, okay, enough's enough. I can't. Speaker 2: 08:41 So you bought your follow up then is through text at. Walk me through the rest of the funnel. So they come in, basically they sign up for a free client massage type of thing. Forty nine bucks. Speaker 3: 08:51 Yeah. So then they have a console with our, uh, with our wellness. We call them wellness coordinators and then they do, it feels like it's a good fit, you know, then they'll do introduce our medical staff there and they'll do like a traditional, like orthopedic exam, you see see what muscle imbalances, you know, anybody like anybody would know essentially that because anything about that. And then based off that we develop a care plan for them and then our wellness coordinator goes over it, incorporates the insurance and whatever the out of pocket would be. And then where the sale happens, Levy on patient education. Really not really a hard push type of sales type of thing that we try to focus on that, you know, so a lot of people just don't understand how the other normal sitting at a desk all day is going to affect them. Speaker 3: 09:46 And I think, well I have a crick in my, you know, like I need to go get a massage and I had a crick in my neck. That's kind of what, you know, it's like, well there's like repetitive injury happening right there, you know, so that's something that you can diagnose and that's something that can be treatable and you know, and then if you're can't change your job, you know, then there's something that, there's a wellness component of that that needs to be had to make sure that your function properly. You know, I'm sitting here adjusting my posture as I'm saying it. I'm like, no, everybody does it. Everybody. I actually bought it. So speaking of little gidgets and gadgets on facebook, I saw this little thing that you put in the middle of your back and it's supposed to trip. And I've learned that his act does absolutely no good if it sits on the desk and not on your back. Speaker 3: 10:34 Right, right. Well, you'd be surprised that we didn't talk about this. And they're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I find myself adjusting. I'm like, Oh, I have a question for you because taking a step back, you said right now you're targeting only females and then they ended like tagging their spouse or boyfriend or a guy that they know. Would you say is the percentage of female to male ratio coming in for the. Yeah, it's probably 70, 30, 80 slash 20. I mean it's very high in a female. Okay. But you guys pretty quickly not to waste money on a demographic that wasn't paying attention to the ads and letting the demographic retargeting. Right, right, right, right, right. I was just interested in kind of how that works there. So thank you. So a lot of money spent on ads that weren't producing and then you look at the insights and like, okay, it's all female. Speaker 3: 11:33 Let's maybe just walk me through as far as kind of what the, what's the lifetime value of that client? They're basically coming in at $49 bucks. What's, first of all, what's it cost to acquire that customer? Uh, estimate we are good with $200 acquisition cost then a 250. But our life, like on average is about $3,500. We estimate some, you know, some more, some less. I mean I was looking at the numbers the other day. There's somebody because they did a bunch of stuff that means it was chronic. So this is not, this is super unusual, but I think there one lady that needed like $50,000 worth of stuff. So I mean Shit, you know. But on average we see about 35 Speaker 2: 12:19 did. That's crazy. That's pretty good. I'll take that 10 to 15 next. All Day long. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Ron. Speaker 3: 12:26 Well, and then allows us to kind of know like, because our basic or you know, like a massage envy is our basically our, you know, we're competitors with them. That's the, I mean technically we're not done functionally from a market standpoint. That's our nearest competitor. And so, uh, you know, I can spend when they, I think their massages are like 49, 69 bucks. So for a membership or something like that. So I can spend more money to acquire a customer and they can then they would make a whole year when I come from, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, it just makes more sense to do it this way. You know, Speaker 2: 13:08 man, I hope people are listening to understand that. And it's always comes down to whoever can spend the most. Acquire a customer wins the game. Yeah, right. It's always been that way. All of a sudden you'll find that a student massage envy is going to be referring to your clients because it's cheaper for them. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. So you went from one clinic, not a four, four or five and helped me understand kind of your idea as far as why go to the franchise. Speaker 3: 13:36 Oh, just because um, um, what do you think? It's because of that I want to. So okay. So really the long and the short of it is I want to in some small way like affect healthcare, you know, like, so people kind of at least like I, I, I had this consultant when we first started that like basically said like what, what, what would it look like if like holistic practitioners that are at the forefront of medicine, you know, shocked me how like self centered it was to think that okay, just to clinics and you know, I'm good, you know, like, you know, and that'd be a lot easier to manage. And then I watched it, I watched this documentary, I think it was on pbs and it was basically this phd. He figured out how to like slow down dementia and Alzheimer's and it was basically like extra size in nutrition petition Medicare and medical pay for it. Speaker 3: 14:35 And his, his rationale was like, well it needs to be profitable for the doctors to do it. And so like, if I can create a model, like a holistic model that puts the patient at the center and effect in some, maybe in some small way how healthcare is perceived, that's like, that's my end, you know? And then a byproduct of that would be, yeah, make a bunch of money. Right. You know, so, so that's what I mean. And that's why I feel super passionate about this is because, you know, at the end, you know, people might think, well, it's just the massage, you're just doing this, you know, it's like, yeah, but it's like the same thing with the pillow analogy. I'm want to give them something they want and then hopefully that's the domino that affects how they look at their health in general, you know, so like, as we evolve as a company too, we want to incorporate more and more of those aspects of that, you know. Speaker 3: 15:26 So, uh, and that's why we're, we started a gym because right now the, the, uh, right now it's more manual therapy, like in like a less active things. But the gym is to help us kind of figure out what our niches in that in the more active category, you know, incorporating the medical into that aspect of it too, you know, somebody. Is The gym part of the exact same facility or is it a separate place? Well, we have one location that is, has a, has a gym and like the massage and wellness component of it too. And that's where we're figuring out like what, how we're gonna how are we going to innovate in that way incorporating medical into it, you know, it's kind of like a playground for us to figure that out. Speaker 2: 16:11 I love it. Yeah. You have your own little skunk works built in. Speaker 3: 16:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What just happened to be that, that location was going to cost us the same amount of money to build out just for the massage. We've got a great deal on that location. So we just figured, hey, let's take the plunge. And then, then you find out how much like gym equipment is Speaker 2: 16:33 like $250,000 later. You're like, I'll do this to figure this out now. That's fantastic. So you basically got one comma club last year, you just now reached out and cross through 10 million now. It's kind of what, what took you from where you were to where you are now? Speaker 3: 16:54 Yeah, the combination of the four locations and then help optimize in that process and then getting more exact numbers. And I spend, you know, I spent a lot of money on facebook. I spend probably 40 grand a month on facebook, you know, and now we have a marketing team, you know, you're scaling scaling it. So, uh, what are, what are some of the things you've learned through the scaling aspect? Uh, well I mean a defer to James about that, but. Speaker 3: 17:27 No, but, uh, I would, I know to me it's just that people are super important and for me I think the biggest challenge for me, I see a because last year we opened two locations, move our original location to a new place that's more a, it looks like more of our friend what a franchise will look like. And so for me, I just realized how much I was like falling short as a CEO, not creating a framework so that people can function independently of myself, you know. So, and then also, I mean I think it's also, you know, the kind of the counter side of that too is like I couldn't in good conscience just let them handle something without them, like really understanding our vision too. So I have to create a framework in which those things can happen, you know, embedded in with the vision, you know. So that's why, that's why I was just like, okay, we need to reach out to Jameson a figure this out, you know. So Speaker 2: 18:22 No, I love that. That's I think and my entrepreneurial journey. That's the one thing I've realized that there was many times where I was the biggest obstacle in the, of that was as the CEO, I wasn't in a situation to where I was willing to let go of things. And then other times when I did let go of it, I didn't give those people always giving things to know and understanding that really where we wanted to go. All of a sudden I got frustrated with them and they're going, dude, you never told us anything. He just basically said run with it. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. Speaker 3: 18:54 Yeah. To me and also our hiring process presses evolved like, so like we really want people to be kind of like willing to catch the vision for Speaker 3: 19:07 can be a tendency to, for entrepreneurs just like, okay, plugging this hole with this person, they're a warm body, you know, when really I'd rather just maybe slow down and find the right person. And we've incorporated a lot of testing, personality testing and you know, um, and so, and then also you get better at hiring too, you kinda can sniff that out. So it's, I mean this is my first company I've ever owned, so it's like the evolution of how I'm thinking about things. And you know, which is nice though, I don't know how other people. I don't know how the people that just do a business to make money, I don't know how they would want to know the creative juices flow a lot more when you're passionate about it and you have a vision for something to and so then now you can connect that vision when you're hiring someone like okay, are they going to fit in that you know, are going to fit in that kind of like for that, Speaker 2: 20:00 say it one more time. I think it would fit in that part. Speaker 3: 20:03 No, so I mean if you have a vision, right? So like now you can find the right person to fit where you want to go to not just for that job, you know? So because I mean I'm one person, I know a lot of people. I'm not like, I'm not like the Super Smart, you know, I'm not, you know what I'm saying? It's really more of like that passion about like, and I get very creative when it's connected to that. I've tried to make money in the past just to make money and I just was not good at it. You know, I wouldn't call myself an entrepreneur, you know, like, I mean, I think maybe on the outside looking in I can see that, but I don't, I just more of a creative problem solver in relationship to this vision that we have, like how do I get from point a to point b, you know, the most effective way possible. You know, so. Speaker 2: 20:53 Well I appreciate that. I know that's a, as we've looked at at hiring staff here, that's the main thing we've really tried to do is to find the very best people and if we have to move them around as far as the right seat on the bus, we'll do that. It's getting the right person then trying to find a person to fill a hole. Speaker 3: 21:11 Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. Good degree is. It was, it was an eye opening book for me. Yeah. Speaker 2: 21:18 I also think it's interesting to. You don't consider yourself an entrepreneur and yet at the same time you're extremely passionate about solving a problem. To me, that's really what entrepreneurs do. They see a problem that's out there. They're going, you know what? I am extremely passionate about solving that problem myself, but for all the lives of the people that's going to bless and to me, Speaker 3: 21:39 you gave me chills when you said it. Honestly. That's what honestly, that's what it is, right? But you want to affect those people and how like the kind of like goodwill hunting was like, he was in there having that interview with that guy and he was like, well, if I take this job, I'm going to be doing this, like doing this and it's going to affect my friend here and he's going to do all. I was just like, man, just to think of the people that could possibly be affected by, you know, in their lives, change in some positive way. You know? That's amazing to me. Speaker 2: 22:10 You know, I, again, I get chills every time I think about. It's kind of our whole passion with clickfunnels. Everything else is free and entrepreneurs conference whatever it is they really, truly want. And I think the first thing obviously is that financial freedom you guys mentioned. I see the same path for a lot of us. We start off going, I got to put food on my table. I don't care what it takes. I got to get that covered. As soon as that's covered, it's like, okay, what do I really want to do? And that's where you start going out facility. Again, massive congratulations to you at all that you've done. Obviously getting their two comma club plaque is a super cool award over 320 now, but more importantly, I think miles was number 19. Number 21. Hey, first person to get our favorite number two 2121 fate. It was fate. Your 21st person to actually get over $10,000,000 through a funnel. So a congratulations, but we're super excited for you. Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Well, Lord, if people wanted to reach out to you, what's the best place or how should they reach out to you? Speaker 3: 23:09 Yeah, I started a private facebook group. You can check it out. He'll have healthcare professionals, gross secrets, and then um, you know, if you go in there, I said I'll put a template in there of like our process so you can check it out and see. So, Speaker 2: 23:23 and for those of you don't understand how spelled healthcare like me, I did health space care. It's actually healthcare with no spaces and it comes up real fast that way. Well look, thanks so much, but anything else miles? No, I've got my question answered. Don't waste money on facebook ads that aren't working for you working in. It's simple when you think about it. You don't just do stuff that works and forget everything else. Exactly. Congratulations, but you appreciate it. Speaker 4: 23:59 Okay. Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me where I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as if people you like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. So again, go to Itunes, rate and review this, share this podcast with others and let me know how else I can improve this or what I can do that do to make this better for you guys. Thanks.

Why Dave Decided to talk to Carolina Millan: Carolina Millan is an Entrepreneur, Speaker, Investor and Digital Marketing Consultant from Chile. She started online in 2008, but it wasn't until 2012 that she had her major breakthrough online with affiliate marketing. After years of trying program after program she cracked the code to making money online and now travels around the World, living life, working with clients, creating online training programs and hosting workshops. She's the host of the podcast- Beyond The Hustle. She's also the founder of Social Ads Agency and Al Cuadrado Marketing & Branding, where she and her team provide Digital Marketing and Social Media Management & Growth services. She is a member of the prestigious 2-Comma Club. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Affiliate Marketing: The Do's and Dont's (5:27) Free Strategies (10:12) Pay Traffic Sources (13:42) Carolina's Podcast Branding (16:50) Coaching Strategies and Importance (22:22) Quotable Moments: "It's really simple to set yourself apart by being yourself, creating some valuable content, and then recommending something." "There are always ways to add more value and be able to monetize the leads, but again, always figure out how to add value first before asking for the sell." Other Tidbits: Carolina helps people discover the true value in their brands by tailoring it to their desire. She discusses strategies on coaching, building and running funnels, facebooks ads, email marketing and much more. Carolina speaks about her journey to reaching the 2-comma club and reflects on what she has accomplished up to this point in her career. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody. Welcome back to funnel hacker radio. This is going to be a lot of fun today. Uh, I've been trying to get Speaker 2: 00:22 this woman on my show up for ever and she's so busy. You've got so much stuff going on. So you guys are in for a massive tree. I want to introduce you guys driving to Milan. Malcolm. Speaker 3: 00:31 Hey Dave. Thank you for having me. Speaker 2: 00:33 So we have something in common now and that is, I don't know if you know, uh, my oldest son, Chandler just got married and he married a Chilean. Speaker 3: 00:40 I had no idea. Congratulations. Great. Speaker 2: 00:44 It was a great choice. Super excited. And so a Francisca Benevidez. I'm going to have to learn Spanish now. Are you ever coming to killer? Then? You know what, we'll have to talk more about that later, but the answer is going to be obviously yes, at some point for sure. I just don't know when she's talked a ton about it. She lived down in Santiago and a couple of other places and again, it's place. It's becoming much more near and dear to my heart all of the time and we've talked about expanding click funnels into the Latin Marta anyways, and again. It's a ton of fun. We're excited about that. There's such a huge opportunity, huge opportunity for the whole digital marketing space. Again, it's, I know you've done a ton in that market. You're a huge affiliate marketer. You've done tons of two comma club winner with click funnels and just such an honor to have you on the show. So thank you so much for taking the time. Speaker 3: 01:33 Thank you dave. Speaker 2: 01:34 So want to find out, first of all, tell people a little bit about your background. I know you've, uh, you've done a lot. You've got a podcast right now. You're on podcast is beyond the hustle.com. You've interviewed some huge people, Gary Vee, and I know grant cardone you've been bugging the crap out of me to get Russell on the show. I know that we will, but uh, it's one of those things where, again, I'm just so I'm happy to see your success, but I don't know if I want other people to know what you've done, so if you don't mind just take a few minutes and kind of introduce yourself to our audience. Speaker 3: 02:07 Yes, for sure. So, well, as you said, I'm from Chile and I have been doing digital marketing for the past 10 years or so when I was at my first job, my first and last job. I'm very glad for that and I was really fresh out of university. I was really, I was ready to become another brick in the wall, you know, get a job, a work until I get old and retire and Blah, Blah Blah when really out of the blue it was a colleague at work that approached me about a multilevel marketing thing and I had never heard about it. I was like, hmm, what is this thing? Oh yeah, it's like herbalife, but it's different. Okay, sure. Um, and so that was really my first approach at doing something for myself like my entire life. While I was at at university, I never ever tried to do anything related to entrepreneurship. I was too shy. I am. I hated speaking on stage or in front of people. Like really? I was really different and so I'm really grateful for that experience even though I didn't do well at all with that business. Speaker 2: 03:22 That's important for people to understand and know that you know what that's okay. And most important is it's that effort. It's what you learned about yourself. I love network marketing because it's probably one of the first entrees and a lot of people have into their own business. So I think it's great. Speaker 3: 03:36 Exactly. Like I think it's the easiest way to get a taste of what it's like to be independent. And so I'm super grateful for the experience. I learned a lot. I learned what not to do, especially because, because really where the girl who started me into this, she had no idea what she was doing. She was making lists of friends and family and stuff like that. Um, and luckily I went on Google and that's how I discovered a bunch of gurus that I still follow today, uh, who were talking about how to do network marketing the right way and they were talking about attraction marketing and all of this brand new concepts for me. And I dive deeper into it. I got on social media, I started building my personal brand, my first blog in 2009. I'm in Spanish at the time. I wasn't getting into the English market yet even though I always loved the language. Speaker 3: 04:25 And, and slowly I started making a name for myself locally here in Chile. I started getting interviewed by newspapers. Hey, so you're doing this twitter saying what is it, how do you do it? How do you have so many followers? So like, well, I just add value. I just, you know, I just post things that I find interesting and I share them with people and they reshare them and they follow me and stuff. Um, and that's how I started. And then a couple of years later I was able to quit my job because I had a few clients, I wasn't even trying to get clients, but a few people saw me doing social media and doing it well and they asked me for help. So I said, sure, I can help you with your twitter with your facebook. And that's how I started really. And, um, I'm, I'm really glad for that because that opened a lot of other doors for me. Um, I discovered a lot of things that I didn't know were possible to do online. Right. For me, the Internet was for entertainment research. Speaker 2: 05:22 Well, I want to dive in and talk about one of the things I saw on your blog that you spoke at affiliate summit west. Speaker 3: 05:29 Um, yeah. In, in Las Vegas in January. Now I'm speaking in, in New York in July. Yes. Speaker 2: 05:34 So for those people who aren't familiar with affiliate summit is a huge event. Uh, they have an east coast or the West Coast, New York and Vegas once a, basically a spring or a January event and typically October in the summertime. And the cool thing about is they typically only bring on people who are big affiliates who can help other people become affiliates. So the people who are listening to understand marketing, clickfunnels has their own affiliate program where you actually, we pay you to basically promote click funnels, similar to how other Amazon, anyone else basically pay people who basically byproducts or things through them and every product or every company will have a lot of different affiliate type of marketing. You've done an amazing job at affiliate marketing and so if you don't mind, how does a person from Chile all of a sudden get the stage in one of the biggest stages for affiliate marketing in and then not only does an amazing job in January, but gets invited back to speak at the New York one. So tell people about your experience to feel like marketing. What are the things that you've done? One of the things that work and affiliate marketing and obviously telling people those things. Yeah, Speaker 3: 06:37 absolutely. Yeah. So well, my first approach at affiliate marketing, I again like with with network marketing, I didn't know what I was doing. I was just grabbing links, posting them around, um, but then it was what I said before about the whole concept of attraction marketing. That's what's made the difference for me building a personal brand where instead of spamming people with affiliate links, right? Oh, hey, buy this software because it's so great, you know, uh, or buy this ebook or whatever. Instead of doing that and trying to get people to buy right away, you first add value to them. You either write a blog post about it, you make a video about it, you tell people about it, you add value, teach them something, and then you can recommend whether it's something that you made yourself, your own course, your own program or an affiliate marketing platform such as with click funnels has, which by the way recently I made my first 10,000 in commissions with click funnels without even trying that much. So I'm like, okay, I gotta take this more seriously. Speaker 2: 07:37 You really do because I want when I want to promote and basically have you pay for one of your cars. So that'd be good. Speaker 3: 07:42 I want see it. Trust me, I have a plan I haven't thought so. That's really, and for me with affiliate marketing, I have to promote something that I've tried myself first because you can go on a ton of websites such as clickbank, Jv, zoo, and the bunch of others. You can find whatever you want and get an affiliate link and then posted around the Internet and get a commission, but it's so much more powerful and it really sets you apart when you have tried the software that Ebook, the program, um, and then you can speak from experience and genuinely recommended to people because people are looking for that. People are looking for people they can trust. Uh, there's just so much going on on the Internet that it's really simple to set yourself apart by being yourself, creating some valuable content and then recommending something. And of course, paid traffic place of really important role there. For me, I've made a lot of sales and affiliate marketing organically through youtube and other avenues. But when you, when you mix that with paid traffic, that's when you get a really, really good combination. Speaker 2: 08:50 Oh, I love it. So tell people I want to, if you don't mind, give people just a few ideas of what they can do for free if they don't have a budget and then later we'll talk about as far as patriotic, but if you don't have a budget. So first of all, I can't thank you enough for clarifying. One of the things that drives huge pet peeve of mine when it comes to affiliate marketing and that is I see a lot of people who think that they're just going to go find out whatever the best converting product is and that's what they're going to try to promote. There's, I think in today's world, authenticity and transparency is so critical and if you can say that, listen, I'm using this, I know it and it's funny. I've, of the 62 cars that we've given away, not one of those people has been an affiliate who doesn't have. It, doesn't use click funnels and I think that it kind of goes to if you want real success, you have to own use and, and really consume the product that you're promoting. So I appreciate your clarifying that. Speaker 3: 09:38 Yeah, definitely because it's a huge misconception. People are always looking at what's the best offer, you know, what's the best offer to promote, what pays the most money that's not, that's not where your focus should be. It should be in, first of all, is it valuable because there could be a bunch of things paying really good money, but they're not good, they're not valued and, and then if you're not even using it, it's just not sustainable for you to promote something you don't believe in. Right. It's just for me, it has to be, you have to be authentic no matter what. Like that's very important for me. Speaker 2: 10:12 I appreciate that. So what are some of the free strategies that affiliate could use? Speaker 3: 10:16 Yeah, so for me, what has worked really well has been youtube. I mentioned, I mentioned it casually, I've been doing youtube videos on my first videos are not worth mentioning but been on, you'd have in a youth center the same way. It's like looking at an old photo album. So I, I've been on youtube since it started, like since before Google bought it, so 2005. Um, and I, I got on youtube just to watch, you know, music videos and stuff like that, but I started uploading my own videos around 2010 and those are the embarrassing videos that are still there. Uh, and mostly what I deal with youtube is I follow a lot of Gary v's advice, right? I do, I document a lot of what I do and I've been doing a Vlog. Um, and I upload a lot of videos where I teach something, so if I learned something new or implement something new and it works for me, I have a little whiteboard and then I go and I teach people stuff. Speaker 3: 11:20 People love videos where they can learn something where they feel they're getting value from you in, in a, in a classroom type of way, like literally with a, with a whiteboard or a blackboard. And they love that. They also, people love tutorials as well. I know when I started my podcast it was, there were so many things I had to learn that were brand new for me. So I, I did it. And then I went ahead and I met a podcast tutorial and I, Hey, this is how you start your podcast, right? Little things like that that you can do for free and that establish you as an expert in your field. So I have videos like that, tutorials, I have videos also. I do have a lot of lifestyle videos where I'm traveling and I'm sharing with people nice places where I go so that they see them walking the talk, right? Speaker 3: 12:08 Hey. So I talk about lifestyle and having a better designing your life, having a better life. I'm out there doing that, right? I'm investing in experiences and I'm investing in seminars, you know, uh, so all of those things, I document them, I make videos about them and then I upload them. And that's, that's probably the best free way that you can use today that you can leverage today to get traffic. So affiliate link in that to actually make money. So the cool thing about youtube is that now you can put links in the videos with this feature called Youtube cards. So you can actually talk about something and have a link pop up in the corner of the video, like, hey, check, check out this program or click here to learn more or something, uh, that works really well to generate leads. And, and then of course you have the description of the video and then if you have, you know, in the description, you can put a clickable link as well to whatever it is you're talking about in the video. Speaker 3: 13:05 I just have a call to action in the video and tell people, hey, the lincolns isn't the description. Um, if you know how to edit video, you can also just put the video, the link in the video so people see it and then they can type it on their browser. Uh, there's so many ways to get your affiliate link in there. Um, and the more, the more content you upload, the more consistent you are a, if you post your youtube video also in instagram and facebook and you blog about it on your website, et Cetera, you give it more distribution and then you have more options with more people seeing it. And finding it of course. So that's something that has worked for me really well. Speaker 2: 13:43 I think that's awesome. So Youtube has been probably one of the biggest things for you that you made mention of as far as if a person wants to go out and take those videos and they either use the videos or other assets to do paid traffic. What are some of the paid traffic sources of your funding that work real well from an affiliate standpoint? Speaker 3: 14:00 [inaudible] for me it has been mostly facebook advertising and Instagram, right? A lot of my ads, we put them on both platforms because you can do that directly from facebook. And, and what I do many times is I create shorter versions of the youtube video to go on a facebook ad, um, because people's attention span on facebook is lower than youtube because people go on youtube to watch videos on facebook. People do multiple things, so they're not willing to spend every. Depends on the video, but on average they're not going to watch more than two, three minutes. And that's already pushing it a bit. So I either cut parts of videos and just put a section of it and then I invite people hate watch the full video on youtube if I want to send them to my youtube channel that I, that's what I would do with a paid ad or if I'm inviting them, let's say a Webinar, I'm hosting a Webinar for something, I will create a video especially for that, especially for facebook, for facebook ad me introducing myself really briefly keep it under 90 seconds and just invite people to a special training where I'm going to be talking about this, this and this. Speaker 3: 15:10 Get the link register now. So I do that a lot for you too. Sorry for facebook advertising where I create videos especially for that. And I think the same video would also work on youtube if you wanted to do paid ads on Youtube, which I haven't done a whole lot of yet. Um, but the, the logic is pretty much the same. You know, you have a quick video invite people to something and have the call to action. Get them on the funnel, click the link and register. And there you can have either an affiliate opportunity that you're promoting or Webinar or a free Ebook, a free report, a video series. I mean there's just so many options, so many things you can do. So. Speaker 2: 15:48 So I'm paid stuff. You're always taking them typically to a landing page where you're capturing their information for follow up later. Speaker 3: 15:53 Exactly. And I either I do a lot of funnels where after they opt in I immediately have something to offer them right away. So if they opted in for something for free, hey check your email, your ebooks going to be there soon, but you know, stay with me for a few minutes because I have something else to share with you. And then I sell them something else or also in the followup sequence, invite them later to a webinar or something. So there's, there are always ways to add more value and be able to monetize the leads. But again, always figured out how to add value first before Speaker 2: 16:29 asking for the sale. That's been one thing that I've seen a lot of people have a lot of success with these days is actually putting on the thank you page, an offer a certain. Basically you're congratulating you. I know it's going to be in your email, all that stuff, but by the way, almost their thank you page almost becomes like an Oto page. Speaker 3: 16:47 That's exactly what I do and it works really well if you establish that trust and that rapport with people. Speaker 2: 16:53 That's fantastic. Well, I'm curious, you obviously do a lot right now with your pot, with your podcast, beyond the hustle. Are you using that to what? What's your purpose behind using the podcast are using that to sell affiliate products? Are you using it for your own products? What's the purpose behind that podcast Speaker 3: 17:07 for now? Like when I first started the the purpose lists too for branding really to to have presence in that platform because I had never had a podcast and I. I've been seeing how so many people are getting into it and I thought, okay, it's time that I get there and so for me it was a matter of branding myself even more. I'm not really selling anything there yet as I don't have like enough of a big audience yet to be able to sell anything I've. Maybe I could, but I wanted like the first few episodes to be just about the value and the few calls to action that I have. There are, Hey, follow me on instagram or hey, if you enjoyed it, leave me a five star review. A little things like that for now. But eventually of course I would love to go down the road as you know, with John Lee Dumas has been able to achieve with this podcast. Speaker 3: 18:01 Right. People like that where, where he's making a very good income every month from it and he's very transparent about it. Um, but, but yeah, at first is for me to and also to connect my audience with the people that I've been able to meet because I feel super grateful that I've, that I've been able to meet Russell on first name basis and Gary Vee on a first name basis, John Lee Dumas as well, like, um, and so I feel very blessed about that and being able to, to connect with my audience with them and ask them questions that questions that sometimes might be different than what, than what most people ask. And I always asked my subscribers and my followers, hey, do you have a question for this person? And I, I always ask questions from other people with my own questions, but I have sometimes a couple. Um, but, but yeah, it was, it was for me it was, it was looking for another way to add value and eventually being able to monetize it. That will be awesome. But for now it's, my main focus is getting, getting more subscribers, adding more value in getting more listeners and, and see what happens. Well, one of the things people always want to know is what in the world did you do to get to the two Comma Club status? Speaker 3: 19:10 Well, I did. Um, I did a combination of things because when I apply, who was, I think the rules were, I think the rules changed after that we started validating a much, much worse. Yeah, I think you guys got a little more strict with them, but when I applied it was not just one funnel necessarily. I had like two or three funnels and they all together. They did a little over a million dollars. So it was my coaching funnel, uh, was my event funnel and then it was affiliate marketing. So putting all those things together was a little over a million. I remember I sent all the screenshots and everything. Um, and that's how I did it, but it took me a little while. I mean, I was, when I started using click funnels seriously at the beginning of 2015, I had an account in 2014 that I was playing around with. Um, but I, I remember when I, the first time I met Russell was on a cruise. We were both on, uh, on, on the marketers cruise. Yeah. It was really funny because, uh, I have no idea he was going to be there. And I remember I was, I was looking. Is that Russell brand's? Oh my God, it's Russell Brunson. I have to go say hello. Speaker 3: 20:23 And um, and then, uh, and then he invited me to promote dotcom secrets. Like he gave me a flyer, hey, I've wrote a book and this is not, you know, nobody knows about it yet, but you know, here's a flyer for it so you can sign up as affiliate. I was so excited. We even did a video, a little video on the cruise ship together to promote DOTCOM secrets. Yeah, that's how I also made it on that leaderboard. Congratulations. Yeah. So, um, that's how I started really using click funnels where I met Russell there and I loved it. I've been using it ever since. And like I said, mostly it's been thanks to my coaching programs, my affiliate marketing promotions and yeah, that's how I got into the club and, and really it's been because I've always implemented what I learn in my own thing before I teach it, that I've been able to get some, some really good coaching clients and I've been able to put together some, some small events because a lot of people skip that step. They learned something and they want to teach it right away. I'm like, wait, you got to try it first, see if it works. And then you can teach. So yeah. Speaker 2: 21:33 Local in Chile or are they international? Where do you do most of your events? Speaker 3: 21:37 I've never done an event in chiller though. Surprisingly I've done, I've done a couple events in the US and one in London, in Europe, but I've, like you were saying earlier, there's so much potential in this market and I spent a lot of years doing content only in English because I thought there's no money in South America, nobody's going to buy this. And then at the beginning of last year I decided to branch out again. All right, let's do some stuff in Spanish. And whoa. I was blown away. Like there is so much demand and honestly not enough good offers. Speaker 2: 22:18 I think that's really critical. So tell me, as we kind of get close to wrapping things up here, I wanted to find out on your coaching program, what is it that you're actually coaching people? Speaker 3: 22:27 Well, I, I coach people on, on several things, but mainly I'm building funnels. I help people build their funnel. Like I like doing things with people as opposed to for them. Like I really want people to learn how to build their funnels. So I teach them that. I teach them how to run facebook ads. I teach them how to be good on video. So, you know, sometimes I have people who fly in all the way to Chile to work with me and I get my video team and we do branding videos for them, stuff like that. Um, I also work with people on, for example, our email marketing, their copywriting sales letters, uh, and, and when people are a little bit more, um, you know, at a stage where they still don't even know what they want to sell. Then I helped him with, you know, discovering what is it that they want to sell. Speaker 3: 23:15 Do you want to do affiliate marketing or do you want to do your own thing? Like let's, let's see what your personal brand would look like. What is your message, right? So starting a little bit from the, from the basics, what's your mindset, the right mindset that you need in order to do this? Um, and then with people who are more advanced and we go straight to, okay, let's build a new funnel and you have this offer, let's build a new offer, the Ebook, the, okay, what's your event funnel going to look like, your webinar. I help people build a Webinar. Slides learned much from Russell in that regard. So those are some of the things that I hope people do. Speaker 2: 23:50 So tell me, how do you get people into your coaching funnel then? Speaker 3: 23:55 It's built on click funnels. I have, I have a website called work with Carolina that common and when people go there they can see some testimonials and stuff and learn a little more, a little more about it. And then I have my application form there and everything. That's how they get in. I don't usually advertise it because, you know, I let people come in through different ways and then they either click on it because they find that on my main website or they find that at the footer of my emails because I don't like, I like being selective as well with the people that I work with. So really if they did the effort to find my coaching funnel, they really want, they really want to work with me then. But yeah, it's um, it's, it's something where if you want to advertise your coaching, I think it's much better to start with something of a lower ticket. Like start with an, with an online course like that. Those are the things where I do my ads and then when people come in from my marketing courses or affiliate marketing things or they enjoy my membership, then those people are highly qualified to do one on one coaching because that's something where you know, it's bigger investment, so you want to work with people who are serious and who you know already want to follow you and learn from you. So Speaker 2: 25:16 I love it. I think one of the things that you have mentioned there, which I know you've done an extremely great job of is you typically have in a lot of you email followup sequences and bother your pages. There's always other products or services they can buy through you. I think it's a great way of just having that always out there to for who knows how many times they're going to click on it, but all of a sudden it's like, you know what I do. I want to work with Carolina and boom, there's the click. So the fact that you have that in all your email sequences is a really cool thing. So congratulations on utilizing that tactic. Speaker 3: 25:45 Yeah, yeah. I always have on all of my emails, there's always a ps, whatever it is, there's always my sign out, my signature. Then there's my work with catalina that come with the bottom up without any call to action, but there is a ps, the ps, I always have a call to action. It could be, Hey, follow me on instagram, subscribe to my youtube channel. I opened up two new spots in my one on one mentoring program. Apply here. I always have something, but because I try to make sure that in the actual email, even if I'm promoting something else, uh, that I add some value that I tell a story, that I share something so that then people are happy to get to the PS and click on whatever it is that I, that I have there. And I think that's a really good strategy. And I got that mostly from Frank Kern. He always has a ps. Speaker 2: 26:37 Well, if people want to reach out to you and get ahold of you, what's the best way to do that? Speaker 3: 26:41 Uh, probably the best is I'm on social media really on twitter or instagram. It's at Catalina, Megan. Megan is m I l l a n just like, you know the dog whisperer. Spelled the same. It's the same last name. You know, people have people in the US, they always call me Carolina Milan. But uh, the, the, the double l is, it sounds like that. So instagram and, and also from my website, 39 midland.net or work with, um, I always, I was trying to respond to people and just, you know, I love talking to people, engaging with people who have seen me somewhere. It's always, it's always a great. Well, thanks so much. It was great having you on the show. I wish you all the best. And again, I look forward to one of these days actually brightened up in your neck of the woods down in Chile. That will be amazing. Please let me know in advance because I'd love to and we can show you guys around. Love it. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. Speaker 4: 27:44 Hey everybody, thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the podcast. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others? Rate and review this podcast on Itunes, it means the world to me. We're trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over 650,000 and I just want to get the next few $100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people at the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'm more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as the people you'd like me to interview more than happy to reach out and have that conversation with you. 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Why Dave Decided to talk to Chandler Woodward: Chandler Woodward has joined the podcast to discuss his personal journey into the entrepreneurial world. Chandler speaks about the major decision he made to dropout of college to start his own online business agency. He discusses some of the hardships he has encountered along the way; both emotionally and financially. Chandler now runs Legendary Marketers Project which is geared to help those aspiring entrepreneurs and businesses formulate new strategies for brand promotion by helping businesses unearth their best content. He is also the host of- The College Entrepreneur Podcast, which he started while in college. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Overcoming Emotional Hurdles (7:57) Having and Losing Clients (18:05) Project Development: Legendary Marketers (22:22) Quotable Moments: "Try, get out there and publish and keep moving. You will find out you have moved a lot further than you thought you were." "If I can make more than my professors, than I have the right to dropout of college." "It's ok to have a job while you are trying to get your entrepreneur stuff going." "The reason why people aren't successful enough is because they don't try enough, they don't fail enough." Other Tidbits: Chandler discusses with his Father, Dave, about his journey from dropping out of college to running his first business agency. He elaborates on the importance of pursuing your passion and gaining experience in your field of choice. Chandler also introduces his latest project, Legendary Marketers; and his vision moving forward. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward. Everybody welcome back Speaker 2: 00:18 funnel, lack of radio. This is going to be one of those weird, very weird, a kind of surreal podcasts. Weird for me because I actually have the opportunity of introducing you to someone who I've known his entire life who has been a huge blessing in my life and actually was one of the very first people who started helping me on this whole funnel hacker radio podcast. So without any additional introduction, let me introduce you to my son, Chandler Woodward. Jen, welcome to the show. Hey, what's up? Thank you so much. Debt. This is weird. It's so funny. I'm actually. This is a zoom call we're doing. I'm watching him at his house and I'm in. My office were usually. He would have been sitting behind over my left shoulder here when he first started. He got home from his mission about two years ago serving mission for our church and I put them to work right away and one of the great things was he just took to this whole marketing thing and so I've got so much I could say about him, but what is it that I want to make sure that we kind of take this in a direction that is beneficial for all of you guys who are listening and that is I want to let you know what's going to happen here in the next few weeks and why I wanted to bring chandler on to share some of the crazy emotions that he went through that you're going to be able to see when we launched the funnel hacking live a, our funnel hacking live tickets will go on sale and about two, two, three weeks in time that you're hearing this. Speaker 2: 01:38 And with that, what you're going to see is a video and the guys who create this video for us, data is the most amazing videographer in the world. He has this ability to capture emotion, just raw, raw, pure emotion, and so he sent this video to us about a week and a half ago and I saw it and I, I started to get all emotional. I started on, well in my eyes were like all of a sudden sweating out of my tear ducts. I'm like, what's going on? And what's happening is I'm sitting there watching my son Chandler. It's admitted to 17 and 18 of the video where he was at funnel hacking live last year and Dan caught him at a point where you could see all this emotion and the part that's so exciting for me. One, it's my son and as a dad it's super cool, but the other thing is it he had. Speaker 2: 02:28 It was just the epitome of everybody who's going through this journey, this craziness that's happening. So I've talked too long. What I'd like to do is turn the time over you, Chandler have, how do you kind of tell people a little bit about your story, where you're at, and then I'll come in for additional questions that are awesome. Yeah, so basically as I got home from my mission and I got into this whole marketing game and got into this whole entire digital online space and started going after and I was in college and basically his whole life marketing kind of this whole Speaker 3: 03:00 marketing journeys kind of destroyed my life, but it also is helped my life click funnels. I guess. Long story short, I came home and I was going to college and was doing all this. A lot of a lot of your videos, dads as a hearing these people's stories of like how possible was the make money online and all this kinds of crazy things and I was like, okay, what if I try this out for myself? And I was trying little things, little things and I remember it was in Vegas last year and last year and we were sitting there with a with Alex or Moz out sharp and all these guys and their brand Uli and all these people and I was looking around. They're super successful. I'm wondering, I'm just asking this question like what should I be doing to be able to progress the most in this all my business? Speaker 3: 03:49 They're like, what? What are you doing now? I'm like, I'm going to college and kind of like tiptoeing this stuff and brandon rights and next year it's like, dude, why are you in college? And I was like, that's what I'm supposed to do. Right? And he's like, no, get out of there as soon as you can. And then I went to, I brought my now wife to a viral video and last September and she met who loves and also hates at the same time because he's the one that pushed me off the edge to actually go and drop out of college. He gave me the whole entire kinda structured everything to go about it and just gave me this vision of like really what an entrepreneur is and how they, how they can act, how they can be emotions of just like going to college, like working really hard, but no one actually really realize what I was doing at home. Speaker 3: 04:36 That was a lot of my friends would go out and go to parties and dances, all this kind of stuff on Fridays and Saturdays that'd be kind of stuck in a house kind of stuff and did some side things. Um, and so yeah, I ended up a business online business and agency and started doing that for a lot of local services and I'm actually, the funny thing about it was to be able to drop out of college. I came to you data and you said, Kate, you're not dropping out of college. And I was like, why not? You said you don't have a thing yet, you need to, you need something to drop out. And so he said take as much. So I loaded up my whole schedule up. I was like, I'm either going to graduate super fast or I'm a drop out this semester. And so I loaded up like huge long credits of classes and was going on. And as I started my agency as well, and the goal of this whole thing was if I could make my professors, then I have the right to drop out of college. And it was going down and I was like, Hey, what's the average, the average number? I was like, Hey, that's what I'm shooting for it. And at the end of the year I was like, I did it. Awesome. Sweet. And then dropped out of college. And this is the first year I've been and it's been awesome. Speaker 3: 05:48 Obviously I know your story extremely well. Most people, they understand the emotions that behind that obviously there's a my wife, your mom and the other side Speaker 2: 05:58 of in the world have you done to our son. And I think the part I want to make sure you had, I want you to convey to people right now is you're 22 just got married. You're trying to decide what the heck you're going to do. You and I spoke at a Byu where you were going to school in Provo, Utah at the entrepreneurial class. You're taking drop out. I actually drove a nick greer who is the CEO of skipio and also as the was your professor. He and I drove together to the class and I remember sitting there as he and I were driving to to teach. He's like, are you really going to allow your son to drop out of school? I said, you know, nick, it's not up to me. I mean, it's, it's his choice. He goes, I've never seen a parent though. Speaker 2: 06:42 Supportive of it. Why are you? Why are you doing that? I said, you don't for me, Nick. All I care about is I want to make sure that my kids have the skillsets that project that they can use throughout the rest of their life to always make money and provide for their families. I had, I was in a situation where I grew up with my dad was an attorney. My mom was a nurse. School was an absolute necessity. I have a master's degree in exercise physiology, which I've done absolutely nothing with. I have posted a postgraduate work and physical therapy, which I did nothing with and so I had the conversation with Nixon, you know what, Nick for me, if I can, if my, if he doesn't know what he wants and he hasn't figured that out. I don't want them to stay in school to figure that out and network and grow, but at the same time, if he knows what he wants and this isn't going to help them get there, then I'm okay with it. Speaker 2: 07:29 He goes, well, are you sure about that? And I'm like, Nick, I'm totally sure about this thing. And he's like, well then would it be okay if I, if he actually does that, maybe I can offer him a job what? And this was before you would even consider dropping out or anything else, and later on, obviously that kind of came true. But the part I want people to understand right now is what does a 20 something guy, one of the emotion, now you're married, you've got a wife to support and what are the emotions that you're really going through right now as an entrepreneur because you went to funnel hacking live. And unbeknownst to me when we ended up pitching the two Comma Club x coaching program, which is $18,000, you signed up and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm sitting there with my, with my wife, your mom Carrie. Speaker 2: 08:22 And she's like, you better make sure this program works. What do you mean? He goes, you've now got my, our son in this. She said, my son obviously like you don't share you gotta. Make sure this works because he's, he's married. He says he can't afford this kind of stuff. And so when I saw that video, which you guys are going to see at funnel hacking live, as soon as we release the tickets, you'll see the emotion. And I wish so bad, I could show it to you right now, but you basically are sitting there, you're on the, on the front row with me. Uh, I'm not in the picture. And Dan had this ability to capture this emotion of such just raw excitement, confusion, frustration, I mean just this bundle. So I want, I want you to convey, take us back to that point and help people understand what's the emotions that you were dealing with at that point. Speaker 3: 09:13 So yeah, it was. Oh Man, for sure. Because it was definitely a ton of ton of emotions, but I remember going to funnel hacking live and thinking, okay, we don't have a lot of money or barely able to get to and thinking, okay, I know they're going to pitch something at the end. Don't want to take this. Like, this is not going to happen. I'm not going to fall into this trap again. I'm not going to fall into this. I'm going to go out there. I'm to motivated, I'm working when I get home. And when the pitch came, I remember we were sitting there in the table and I'm just speak super quiet. Pitch just happened. I heard about. I heard all these crazy things and I was just sitting there at this table, we're all, there's Julia was there, you were there, always was there in that little room. Speaker 3: 10:04 And I remember sitting there, I was like, everything just went quiet. And I just think to myself, I was like, Hey, like I know I want to grow. I know I want to take the next step. I don't want to get out of where I am right now and start moving forward. I was like, okay, is this really the only way is this like, I know it may not be the only way, but will this be this? Will this make me get there quicker to get there faster, get there in a quicker time. And I remember thinking there was okay as a friend, see, I think we need to do this. I think I need to get it. I think I need to get this to compliment program. Like we don't have, we don't have money. I was like, I know we definitely have the money for it, and she's like, do you really want to do it? Speaker 3: 10:44 And I was like, more than anything, I felt this. I had this feeling in my heart, I know this is it and know this is the reason why I was here. And as soon as I got there I went and a friend and my mom were walking out and I ran. I ran over there, the table got my credit card out because we have enough money. So I got my credit card out on the table to miles. I was like, all right, miles and I filled it out and I remember running back to my wife and I was so scared. I was so frustrated. I was so it's kind of like jumping out of plane with no parachute and hoping that I can find some things that build it on the way down and I just seen my wife's eyes with just support and just fear in her eyes as well and just thinking like, this is it, this is a whole thing behind it. Speaker 3: 11:37 The two comprehensive plots out Colombo is like you have a goal like you're taking the life or you're taking or your diet pretty much, hey, here are these two things. We're going to get one of these right now. I just remember being in that moment and then sending or the rest of the event and just thinking, oh my gosh, like this is it. This is where my life is going to be changed, and just the frustration, the fear and everything going through my bike at the same time and me and every time I watch that video again and those memories come back to my mind, they're thinking, I just feel that again. I was like, oh, this is what it's all about. This is what entrepreneurship is the most amazing thing. It gives us some blessings, but the same time, it's the most frustrating and fearful. Just so many emotions go into it that aren't really, that are really. You don't see the surface but are so deep down below and that kept us going through my mind. So Speaker 2: 12:30 thank you so much for sharing that. It's here and you, as I'm watching you even relate the story for a little backstory, for those people who are listening to this, they need to understand a little bit about Fran and your wife and her experience as far as. So Fran is from Chile and France is a, you know what, I'm going to let you tell France story, but the things I want to make sure you touch on here is how she viewed an entrepreneur and what an entrepreneur meant to her coming from her Chilean roots. Yeah, for sure. Speaker 3: 13:04 So yeah, my wife has been here for about a couple of years in the states. Yeah. And basically anyone outside of the states has a, especially in Chile when you come to the states, it's all about gaining education, getting a job. That's the only way. She didn't come from a very wealthy family. She had a very, very humble life. And um, and everyone who knows that entrepreneur pretty much knows him as more of like they had nothing else to do. And so they're just trying to find a way to make things up. And it was just based off of that and once you went out as an entrepreneur, feared came to her heart because she's like, oh my gosh, can I marry this guy and he's not going to have a lot of money because entrepreneurs don't really have a lot of things outside of the streets and they're kind of washing windows and all this kind of stuff. Speaker 3: 13:57 She's like, man, I just don't know if that's gonna happen. That's gonna. Like if you go into entrepreneurship or are you really gonna be able to be successful? And after going through all these things, she was able to essentially I live and all these things and hang around with people who saw this light of like entrepreneurship changes life. They changed the world. They're the only people that can actually go in and go in and change the world and change people's lives and stuff and create this movement and stuff. And so that's her. That's her background on entrepreneurship. She's in the background here. I can. Speaker 2: 14:30 I wish people could see the video that I'm going on a little more background. I want to kind of fill in some of the blanks here and this is a. I think right now the era that we're in, entrepreneurship is kind of like the rock stars. If you say you're an entrepreneur these days, people think, oh my gosh, dude, you're going to crush it. I mean, I think Gary v is kind of what we really got to give him the most credit for making entrepreneurship, this crazy thing that's out there. But I can tell you when I, when I started basically as an entrepreneur 20 plus years ago, I was. People looked at me the same way that Fran looked at you and that is basically if you're an entrepreneur, it means you can't do anything else. It's made you basically just gave up on everything and you're just going to scrap and hopefully find some way of making money. Speaker 2: 15:14 And I know there were times as I was, as you were growing up and everything were times were tough for ours and it was. But You keep fighting and you keep going through that emotional thing. And so what Fran was experiencing is how I was at years ago and I remember that and I think these days people talk about entrepreneurship as this almost this glorious ideal type of thing. And the part that I want to make sure people understand is they're listening to you is what was captured by Dan and that video was the fear. And I think frequently people don't understand that's normal. That's okay. And I, I've gone through it so many times in my own life and I've, I've had this conversation with many entrepreneurs as far as you have to cycle. And I wouldn't. I've hadn't. Tons, not tons. I've probably had over the course last 25 years, probably eight different business partners at different times. Speaker 2: 16:13 And one of the things I've realized is I would never go into business these days with a partner who hadn't cycled. It's a, I want to make sure that that person went. And what I mean by cycle here is they've, they've had a business where they had a lot of success. They made a lot of money and then they lost it or came across hard times. Because it's during those hard times that really change a person's life and it was, again, it was one of those situations to where you and I literally had this conversation just a couple of days ago and that is, um, more backstory here. Uh, so chairman Fran got married July 13 after January 20th. July 13th is coming up on their six month. Basically this Friday is our six month anniversary. Since then I have had them come out to force them basically to come to boise quite a few different times for different family things. Speaker 2: 17:08 And as you mentioned, as far as going to funnel hacking live with something you wanted to do, but there was frustration and I understand it as a father, but I even understand it more as a husband where you're like, listen, I want to provide for my wife. I have an obligation, I have a duty of responsibility. I want to do this myself. And you did a facebook live recently as you were kind of recounting your time going to funnel hacking live and the frustration of. Yeah, you ended up, uh, we had an extra room in our, in our suite there, so you and Fran and all made logical sense just to stay there. But at the same time it was one of those things too where identity, I don't want to stay with you guys. I want to be able to do this. And I know right now you're heading, you and fran and your brother Parker had not to see Tony Robbins a for the next three days. Speaker 2: 17:58 And so I know that, uh, right now money's tight. And so what I want to do is I want you to tell people what it's really like, what is, what is life? Because again, if you go back to where you were in December, you thought you had all these clients and what I want you to explain to people is how has it been as far as an agency owner, having clients, losing clients? Kevin, people make promises that haven't been fulfilled. Having partners. You've got a lot of experiences but in six months in partners who say they're going to do stuff and they fall through. So I want you to kind of be extremely raw and vulnerable and tell people what, what's it really been like? Speaker 3: 18:38 No. Yeah, totally. It's been a, it's been more of a downhill helicopter that has been more up for sure. Um, I mean being, so yeah, had the agency at the beginning of the end of last year built a six figure business. I was making about $5 a month more than professors and then literally all of a sudden every single client, like it was like, it was almost like a whole two weeks. I mean, it was insane to see how they would hire someone else underneath them and they were just kind of, I was doing everything inside of their accounts and stuff and so there's kind of see what's going on. And I was like, what the heck, I, how did this happen? I even see it coming. And also then getting married in about month, having zero money, having zero anything and thinking, okay, we have a payment coming in a month, how am I gonna ever gonna make this? Speaker 3: 19:41 And so I remember I was sitting there and I was getting, I was actually in a career and I was just like, I was like, as a husband, like how am I going to provide for my wife? I was like, are we going to go home? What's going to happen? We have to live with my parents. Like, is this really going to have to thinking of myself like a camera, be married in a month. Once my wife asked me if I'm living with my parents or my grandma living with these people, I was like, I have to give her a bed to sleep in the thinking that I was like, man, okay, this is crazy. This is crazy. And so I went and I got a job for nick beer was all his marketing and stuff, uh, at this little software called skipio and have been doing that for the past six months now. Speaker 3: 20:24 And every single time I go in, I'm gonna say, okay, I know I got this too comical x program. I was like, I know now I can grow, I can go. And so now I've been going in, I've been doing this agency stuff, I've been going up and creating funnels for other people and doing all this other stuff, but now having the coaching and having the processes actually now have a process and assistant like entrepreneurs, never full security, but it gives me enough security that I can. I know that this will work out, it gives me a pathway, it gives you all these things I can go. And so now I've been going, now I'm just like every single thing I can think of. I'm just trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. It seems like it was kind of casting into the nets I'm seeing where they land and see if any fish coming out and that's kind of where I'm at. And it's kind of like the fear basis. I'm just throwing a bunch of things to help stick. That's where it's at. Speaker 2: 21:14 I love it. I think I get, I appreciate your vulnerability. I appreciate you being so open and I'm. One of the main reasons I wanted to do this podcast with you is I have a lot of people on the podcast and I had someone reach out yesterday and say, all you ever had on the podcast is people who are always super successful, they've already hit the two comma club. What about those of us who are struggling trying to make it work? And it's like, you know what? I know the right guy to bring on one. Just do that right now. And so I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your vulnerability and I think the key that's important here is for people to understand that it's okay to have a job while you're trying to get your entrepreneur stuff going. It's okay to have a safety net there as you're still trying to. Speaker 2: 21:53 You know, so often people say, oh, I'm just going to burn my boats and bridges and everything else and I'm just going to. I'm like, yeah, but you know what? It's okay to to have some income coming in. You don't. What it does is it basically helps you. It helps you not make stupid decisions. It doesn't have to be, but again, it means that you're working late. It's amazing. As soon as you finish your eight hour shift or whatever it is at Skipio, it means you come home and you're up for another eight hours or whatever it might be. Burning the candle at both ends trying to make things work. Uh, so what's the next project you're working on right now? Speaker 3: 22:25 So we've got to do it some other silos for sure. And one of the ones I'm actually really excited right now is a legendary marketers that's actually really exciting and I'm really excited about getting out and going and that was actually with me and you. So I'm basically for anyone who doesn't know about this one is like, this is actually kind of an introduction to me getting about what entrepreneurship was. So about 10 years ago, my dad flew around the country, all these crazy successful people and learning their secrets, learn the tactics and learning all these crazy cool strategies. And I remember as a, as a son sitting there 10 years ago thinking, okay, what's happening? Where's my dad? Whereas like, what's going on? And all this kind of stuff, I didn't know crazy too much, but I knew there was something going on and I remember with my friends asking what is, what is your dad actually do you know? Speaker 3: 23:14 It's like, what do you do? You have a job, do I'm an entrepreneur? And like you said before, that wasn't a huge it that was just like, it was like I go back to my friends and he's an entrepreneur and they're like, what's that like? I have no idea. That was basically the whole thing. And so yeah, we've done this. Now we've, we're launching legendary marketers and it's this crazy cool project. I'm actually cool. I'm actually super excited because I had asked you to take it on. I'm going to go now I'm going to go out and stuff. And so that's one of my projects I'm working on right now. Speaker 2: 23:47 I love it. So hopefully it's going to become, are your two Comma Club program here? We're going to comic con status. So a legendary marketers.com is a product that I created again is channeled, made mentioned 10 years ago this year. And I'll do a podcast later in more detail about how I met Russell. It was through all that kind of stuff. But I think the part I'm most excited about right now, chandler, you talked about this literally for the last two to three years as far as you've taken this on and doing something like this. And I was out with Russell, uh, we were filming at Tai Lopez's house and one of the things that we were talking ty about was if you had to start all over again and he was basically asking Russell, you know, what would you do as far as would you do affiliate marketing or something like that. Speaker 2: 24:31 He says, you know what, I feel like mark is kind of one of the things we're wrestling. Made a lot of money and get started with a lot of things. He says, I probably would, but I would do it different this year, this time. And he says, what I would do, and I'm not going to take away your thunder, but basically you're doing exactly what Russell told you to do. So what's legendary marketers? How's it gonna work? Give people an idea as far as what's going to take place because unlike when I was flying out, spending tens of thousands of dollars finding for people's houses, being stupid, you're being much smarter about it, so what are you going to do? Speaker 3: 25:02 So yeah, it's funny isn't it? Says it's awesome. It's like a 10 years ago. It's crazy now that all the technology and all these crazy things that we have now, so I'm actually gonna go out. I'm going to find. So anyone who gets it's gonna be able to say, Hey, who do you want? Who Do you want to go out and find out their best content stuff and with that, with that person, I'm actually going to go out and I'm gonna go find their like their top youtube videos or top strategies and stuff and all these kinds of things that kind of a build up upon this person and see exactly their best content and stuff and find out exactly what's going to help them best with this thing and I'm gonna go get, get that. And so say it's like Tony Robbins. I'm gonna. Find the best Tony Robbins videos and we will give it to their people and say, hey guys, here's this awesome Tony Robbins video series. You're going to go grab it and stuff and have all their stuff. Speaker 2: 25:52 So for those of you guys who are listening, a couple of things I want you to do here, first of all, understand how raw and emotional being an entrepreneur really is. I brought chandler on to help them basically encapsulate and share with you his true emotions and the because he's in the fight right now and I think people don't understand how hard that is. And so again, I thank you and appreciate all that you're doing. I am so proud of you. I couldn't be more proud as a, as a dad. I'm just so excited. Um, and the second thing I want to make sure you guys understand who are listening here is take a look@legendarymarketers.com. A channel's going to be releasing that. In fact, it will be live by the time this goes live. It will be released here in the middle of July. And basically in commemoration for our 10 year anniversary of doing this, my first product, I will explain this, uh, a, another podcast later, but the part I want to make sure you guys were listening, the reason I want you to go into two reasons, I want you to basically funnel hack what Chandler is doing. Speaker 2: 26:51 First of all, yeah. I would love for you guys to buy the product, legendary marketing some money in his pocket. That's always a fun thing for me. But more important than that is I want you to watch and pay attention to the affiliate strategies that are done. The Chandler's going to use a. because I have a lot of people these days say, Gosh, I don't have any money. I don't know how to get started. So what I want you to do is I want you to follow Chandler on his journey because he's got a podcast and you still need to be doing your podcast. Speaker 3: 27:18 Yeah, I'm actually, I've just filmed three extra ones now and it's going to go live this week. So. So what's your podcast? So it's the college entrepreneur podcasts. I'm to change that name because I'm not Speaker 2: 27:33 called entrepreneur or dropout bog soon to be dropped out. But anyways, uh, no real. What I want to make sure you and I want you to follow Chandler on this journey is there's a lot of people who I get asked about this all the time as far as, well, how do you really get started in affiliate marketing? And we've got affiliate bootcamp and it, which is an amazing resource, but people say, I want to see someone do it from scratch who doesn't have anything? You guys have clickfunnels. You've already got people who are 60 some odd people, one dream cars, and I just want to follow someone from scratch. So that's the main reason I want chandler on this. Two reasons. One is that once you understand his entrepreneurial journey, because it applies to a lot of you guys were listening. Second of all is I really want to make sure that you can follow someone and who's going to be implementing the stuff that we've taught and and used, but even some of the new strategies that we're doing right now from an affiliate standpoint. Speaker 2: 28:24 So take a look@legendarymarketers.com. Go funnel hack it, pay attention to it, sign up for put money in your pocket, whatever it might be. Most importantly, funnel hack this thing because I think it's going to be neat to see someone from basically start from the time he started here. Uh, I think we're going to race. I'll have to kick at my affiliate stats as well and see between you and miles and I who can actually get the dream car the fastest. It's going to be doing affiliate stuff for a lot of people as well. So with that, as we get close to wrapping things up, I know you've got to catch a flight to head out to Chicago to go to upw. Any parting words for those people who are listening? Speaker 3: 29:04 No. Yeah, just, I can't imagine I cannot express enough about how much I'm. One of the things I learned in the video actually is in Golden. He talks about how a, Speaker 3: 29:13 um, the reason why people aren't successful, not because they don't try enough, they don't fail enough. They don't go through those experiences. I think that's a big thing that has happened to me so far as I've looked back and if I look at her right now, like maybe I'm not like the best marketer, I'm not the smartest person, but to come to see where I've came from and to see exactly where I started from. Like now I'm doing these facebook lives and stuff and do all this crazy stuff and to see exactly I'm, I'm, I'm not the best. I'm actually impressed on how I grown and so it's been awesome. Say just trying to get out there and publish and publish and do stuff and just keep moving and you'll find out that you've moved a lot further than you actually thought you were. I love it. Speaker 3: 29:48 So if people want to reach out to, where did they, how can they contact you? Um, yeah, Chandler, Aweber.com. There's a cool strategy call that's like the best place to find a way to kind of get ahold of me. Um, as well as if you want to follow the exact journey. I'm just follow me on facebook. I'm doing a facebook live every day and exactly what you're going through, so I love it. Well, Janet, I love you. I'm so proud of you. I hope you and Fran have an amazing time. Please give your wife a hug and a kiss for me and thank you so much for jumping on and being so vulnerable. Oh, thanks. Speaker 2: 30:19 Hey everybody. One of the things you heard me talking about Chandler here is this whole idea that the video that he is he is in is actually@funnelhackingliveandIwantyoutogotofunnelhackinglive.com. So checkout funnel hacking live.com. Sign up, get their take action like Chandler did, and make sure that you're at next year's funnel hacking live. It's going to be in Nashville and you can check it out@funnelhackinglive.com.

Why Dave Decided to talk to Wes Bewley: Wes Bewley is an Entrepreneur from Austin, TX and has generated over $100 Million in Sales within the health & wellness arena. A member of the prestigious Two Comma Club and has received the 8-figure award. Wes is also the founder of a business forum named The Entrepreneur Fight Club, where he shares personal stories, tips, and strategies to help current or aspiring business owners grow their business. Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business: Business Branching using funnels: (8:00) Building Businesses and Relationships : (15:00) Equity and Lion's Share Philosophy (17:30) Trials and Tribulations: (21:00) Quotable Moments: "If you have a money problem, then you don't really have a money problem. What you have is a sales and marketing problem." "I always want to create a win/win, but I really want to create a scenario where they win even more." "There are no more rules!" Other Tidbits: Wes explains the significance and simplicity of creating a business in no time. Being an entrepreneur, creating multiple businesses, there are no more rules! He takes us on his personal journey to making 10-million dollars in less than two years and speaks about: The Entrepreneur Fight Club, his page, giving business owners value and creating new opportunities for them. Links: FunnelHackerRadio.com FunnelHackerRadio.com/freetrial FunnelHackerRadio.com/dreamcar ---Transcript--- Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast, where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets, and how you can get those same results. Here's your host, Dave Woodward and everybody. Welcome back. This is Speaker 2: 00:18 that totally, totally different podcast we've ever done because I actually want to first of all, introduce my cohost miles clifford and what's going on. Everybody's super excited to be here and I'm even more excited about the guest that we have on the first time where Dave and I are co and this and I'll let you introduce who we are interviewing today. So both of us happen to know this guy because he's a complete rock star. He's one of our eight figure award winners, sport and the bling on his on his homepage is here. We're taking a look@theentrepreneurorfight.club, West Dooley. Welcome to the show. What's up guys? Good to be here. Pleasure. I again, it's one of those things. I get so excited. We have these kind of like pre-interviewed things going and I'm like, we got to get this record and I can just dive in because I want you guys to hear firsthand how wes has done what he's done. Speaker 2: 01:07 So first of all, you have to understand this is a guy who's been literally crushing it for how many years now you've been in this business. Uh, I'd say at least two and a half. A huge, huge at legacy building. Two and a half years. I mean, just crushing it. He's been one of our two comma club winners. And fortunately it's actually, I'm looking@isentrepreneuroffight.club and my pictures on there. So excited. Actually, I'm in the shadows. You can barely even see me. It's actually he and Russell and todd as he's accepting his eight figure award winning plaque. So again, what I want to kind of dive into this year West is one thing that we were just starting to talk about is this idea that, you know, you do so many different things and I think that's the problem a lot of entrepreneurs struggle with is like I can't make it unless I just focus on one. And so you're like totally the opposite side of things. So kind of tell people what is it that you do? Speaker 3: 01:59 Yeah, you bet. Well, you know, the one thing I always tell people that it's a little bit confusing when you look at somebody like me because when someone, when someone's new cs what all I'm doing and they try to do it, then they get overwhelmed and what they have to understand, it's like I didn't do it overnight. And the way I look at it is, you know, at the time I start a new business, I, I liken it to drill for oil where, you know, before you can start pulling oil out of the ground, you have to, the crew has to show up, right? There has to be work that's done. They have to erect the rig, they have to get oil pumping out, then they can, you know, set up that little oil horse that continues to pump out oil. Well, you know, whenever I decide I'm going to do something like it usually takes me about a month to really get everything up and running. Speaker 3: 02:48 But see now you're seeing, you know, two and a half years into this thing. And so don't be confused when you see somebody that has a lot of different businesses because they didn't do it overnight. Still human, you know, I get distracted, I get a uh, I guess I'll have days where I don't feel like doing anything. I have days where things don't work right. You know, so I'm human just like anyone watching this. But you know, I originally got my start in network marketing. I don't know if a lot of people realize that or not, but that's where I originally got my start when I was 18 years old and it's really all I had ever done. And my goal, my, my lifelong goal, you know, from a young age was to get to the top level in that company and it was just a really prestigious honor. Speaker 3: 03:34 And so I got there and as really exciting and, you know, one of the things that happens whenever you build a business, really specifically a cashflow business that's built around a lifestyle as you actually have a pretty good lifestyle. And so a couple of years ago I was just kind of like, well, I can only mow my lawn and trim my trees so much, uh, before it's like, you know, maybe I'd like to use the extra time that I have now to further, you know, share my gifts with the world and further learn and grow as a person and become better. And so, um, what, what kind of ignited all of this was, I had this. I had this lady named Ashley who was a personal trainer and she would drop her boys off at school every day. And then um, and I, and I would drop my son off so we would see each other and we became friends and stuff like that while I would see on our social media when she would post stuff, she would get all this engagement. Speaker 3: 04:35 And so I said, hey, if you ever thought about launching an online training business, and she's like, I think about it everyday, I just don't know how. And I go, well I think I know how can you be my Guinea pig? And she was like, sure. And I go, okay, here's what I need. And like this, she didn't even have an email list. Okay. Like she didn't know what an email list was. I was like, do you have an email list? And she's like, well, I've got people I email. I'm like, no, it's not what I'm talking about. So we had to do like a post on social media to get people to join, you know, the opt to her, uh, you know, fitness funnel. And after three days of that she had like a whopping 32 people on this email list. And then we send out a series of emails that went to a click funnel's checkout page and she makes $3,200 in three and a half days with the list of 32 people. Speaker 3: 05:22 Now I know that's weird that it's all three point two, but it just, it just is what it is, right? Like I can't, I can't tell, I can't fix the numbers, but it was so powerful because she's a really good friend of mine and she's shared with me that that month, if, if she wouldn't have earned that income with our online journey business, they would have actually gone into foreclosure and I didn't even know that at the time. And so that, you know, that the, the emotional currency that I saw from helping someone and seeing a real difference. And, and also, you know, even though she made the 3,200, we split it. But even though she made the 3,200, that was Kinda my first little online experience. So it felt like I made the 3,200, you know, I was like, yes, but you know, obviously that wasn't online, but I was like, from that moment on, I was hooked. The first time you get an online customer, it's the most incredible feeling in the world. And so Speaker 2: 06:21 stop there for a second. I want to make sure those who are listening understand. So did you charge her anything up front with her? I just did a partnership. That's what I figured you'd done to. I've heard the story from you before and I think it's important. People understand when you don't know exactly what you're doing, even though you thought, you know, I might be able to pull this off. Working for free is one of the most important things you can do and it's so cool. Yeah, you were able to get successful and yes, you were able to save her house from going into foreclosure, but obviously it generated revenue for you. But I think the part that's the coolest thing for me is I hear stories like that is the confidence that then gives you to go, if I can do that for her, where can I go? And now you're sitting there watching these plaques behind your wall. Here you got eight figure black, two comma club black, take tickets. Fast forward from there, she helped them. One client, what are you doing now? What's entrepreneur of fight club? How, how in the world did you get to. I mean, people still don't understand that a person can literally do in two and a half years, go to wherever they make $10 million through a funnel. It's just astronomical. Speaker 3: 07:20 Sure. Yeah. So that, that branched off into other things that ended up creating a product around it and it's, I won't name the website, but ended up creating a product that shows trainers how to launch their training business without facebook ads. And so, um, then that led to entrepreneur of fight club. And really what I saw there was just a lot of entrepreneurs that didn't know how to wake up every day and generate leads. Didn't know, you know, one of my friends, Jessie always talks about how if you, if you have a money problem, then you don't really have a money problem, what you have as a sales and marketing problem. And so I thought, okay, well everyone thinks they have this money problem, but all they really have as a sales and marketing problem, we can fix that. We can correct that, you know, and so that, that led into the entrepreneur fight club. Speaker 3: 08:09 And then that's just a generic entrepreneurs business forum. Uh, there's people that sell on Amazon in there, there's people that are realtors in there. I mean any type of business owner, uh, can, can get a lot of value from that group. But when someone goes into that group, there's a lot of different trainings pinned to the top. And so somebody can kind of pick and choose what's for them. And then those different trainings lead to other things, whether it's a, you know, a little private mentorship circle, whether it's this thing I do in Austin called e upgrade, which is where people come and actually hang out at my house. And you just focus on their business. There's all kinds of stuff that it branches out into. So you're using an entrepreneur Speaker 2: 08:49 of fight club as a front end, and correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that's been a facebook group. Yes. So it's a private facebook group, so you're basically bringing them in the front end through clickfunnels opt in page. From there they then get access to a private facebook page on that private facebook page. Is this content where each one basically is a lead gen for another product or service that you have to offer, is that correct? Speaker 3: 09:11 Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so the way they get added to the group obviously is they have to go through the clickfunnels site and also joined my email list simultaneously because you know, facebook groups are. I mean you can be hot and then all of a sudden that's good, you know, because of the algorithm or whatever. Right. So email list is gold, golden, and that's the way people actually get into the free group. So, Speaker 2: 09:36 I mean, it's not going to want to make sure I hear this from people all the time and that is, I'm just going after facebook messenger. That's all I care about right now. Email's dead. No one opens emails. Anything else like that and what you just said, for me, it's probably the most important thing as we're helping people understand, you have to build a list that you control and you control an email list. You don't control a facebook messenger list. And so I love the fact that you're collecting both. Congratulations. That's super, super Speaker 3: 10:00 cool stuff. Yeah, thanks a lot. Yeah, you know, I mean, even, even the way all of us communicated about this particular video was through an email. We didn't communicate it through messenger, you know, so email is crucial and that's ultimately in my mind, the golden egg. And that's the biggest asset that I have is that email list and my personal opinion. So, um, you know, at this point all I'm continuing to do is just identifying problems that people have and creating solutions. And, uh, I've also just a lot of different partnerships and as I was alluding to with you guys, I'm, one of the things that, that I have really enjoyed lately is doing something that I kind of calling a smart business, which is a where you can identify talent or identify potential somewhere and then you can usually set that particular business up and I'm going to give you some applicable examples, but you can usually set that business up with about two to three hours of actual work. Speaker 3: 11:00 So that's the first rules I got to be able to set it up with two to three hours of work, which is possible with click funnels. Um, and then it must cash flow immediately. Okay. Most cashflow immediately and must be able to be managed with, um, you know, 20 to 30 minutes of actual time per month, you know, let's call it an hour just to be safe. So cashflows immediately can manage it with one hour to two hours at Max. Maximum month can set it up within two to three hours. And so one of those, one of the examples I was sharing with you guys, I've got a lot of different kinds of businesses. They're a little bit, little bit unique, but a, something people may not know about me is I'm a big outdoorsman, so I'm, I'm into archery and all that kind of stuff. Speaker 3: 11:45 Well, uh, I go hunting with this guy they call pigment and turns out pig pig man pigman. In fact, I built his website for him. It's Pigman a t v Dot Com. Check it out Pigman TV.com. So, so I go hunting with them and it turns out like he's got the number one hunting show in the world. And so I'm hunting with him and a bunch of other fans of the show. And these guys know every line, everything he's ever said, every one liner, every joke. And I'm like, these guys are fans. You know what I mean? Like these guys are super fans and so I'm pigment. If you ever thought about starting an inner circle, and he's like, I got no idea what you're talking about. The talk to my manager. So I talked to his manager, we create this thing called pigments, inner circle. Speaker 3: 12:33 You guys can even go look at it. It's got a value stack and everything and a timer and a, we crush it. I mean, people love being in the group and so, uh, it's just like maximum fund. The guy's got a quarter of a million followers on facebook. So it's like now, now I'm, I got a piece of the hunting industry, you know what I mean? It's so cool and it's so cool for them because what I did for them is identified cashflow that you know, didn't even exist. So they're super grateful. It's a win win. So things like that, you know, or I met this other friend of mine that was really powerful, but she just didn't really have a stack. She had a little $10 a month group and I said, let me help you. So we created a partnership and again, got her set up in a shorter period of time. But she went, she knows she went from $3,300 a month on average or first seven months to her first month with using click funnels and having everything set up properly. She cleared $89,000. Speaker 3: 13:37 I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like there are no more rules, you know, like that's the biggest thing I want to help people understand. If I could give anyone any kind of a takeaway is just the reality that you know, there, there, there literally are no more rules anymore as far as the old adage of it takes a lot of time to build a business and it's hard to get a business up and running and look. My first, my first online training program I built took me nine months to build. Okay. I made all the mistakes I thought I made. The first time I recorded it on my computer crashed. I thought it was like God was telling me like, don't do it. I wasn't sure if it was God or the devil, you know what I mean? I can't have in this desire to want to do it. Speaker 3: 14:25 So I kept following that desire and finally launched. It will. Then my next program only took nine weeks. Well then my last program only took nine minutes. You know what I mean? You get faster and faster and faster as you start to build up your skill and you start to see this stuff that doesn't work out. You start to see the things that you do that don't actually matter. So you start to take a more direct approach to what you're doing. So there are no more rules. Like, you know, I always tell people like it's Kinda like we're Ben Bernakie where we can print our own money. I don't like. All I have to do now is think about, okay, how can I serve more people? Okay? And then boom, and nine minutes I can build a landing page to checkout cart. And that is a business. Speaker 3: 15:09 I know that cashflows and people get served and people's lives improves. And that's the point of a businesses to improve someone's life with your product, your service. So that's why I'm saying earlier guys, like it's hard for me to go to sleep at night. I'm not going to do so real quick. Last night you went through talk through that checklist. The three things that you're looking for. Are you like searching these people out? Are they come to you or is it just like relationships, like meeting them in the street or obviously you went hunting with this guy. Are Are they seeking you out? Are you seeking them or is it just building relationships? Yeah, it's typically, it's typically just building relationships. I mean, what, what do you have to understand? Models is like these types of opportunities are literally all around us. It's just our ability to identify it, you know? Speaker 3: 15:53 There's so much untapped potential all around us. There's so many business owners that have that it factor, but they don't know what to do with it. You know, like that's not what they're, they're not the architect, but if you are and you can see what they could become, that's the whole idea behind potential as being able to see what is possible. Then literally like there is, there is a, I don't want to say like unlimited potential, but I don't know any other way to describe it to you. So, but to answer your question, most of them have come through just personal relationships. I mean it was just like, once I was there hunting with them and then saw how these guys were just hanging on every word and I got to see how cool he was. I'm thinking this guy's got it. And I'm like, but I bet he's never thought of this, you know? Speaker 3: 16:40 And there's some times where all I'll talk to people and they don't get it. You know what I mean? Like I even had a, I was trying to get a partnership with this abstract artist that's really, really good. And I was like, man, uh, if you could teach people how to do what you do, obviously they can't do it the way you do it, but if you could teach them how to do it, then you know, okay, well, you know, we, we were kind of starting to move that direction. Well then he's, he's. He said, I don't want to give up, you know, 40 or 30 percent of my company. So I'm thinking, but it's, you know, right now it's a lemonade stand. Speaker 3: 17:15 The problem with our culture in terms of a partnership, as you got way too many people that are watching shark tank, you know what I mean? I'm not giving up not giving up that. So it's like, okay, you know what, God bless you. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not in the convincing business, but it is cool whenever you find someone that is like, yes, I know I'm capable of more. I'm just not sure how to do it. And so i. One thing about me I was going to share with you, miles is like I never want more than 30 percent of their business. I never want more than. Why is that? Part of it is because I want them to have the lion's share because I want them to, uh, you know, because they're going to be the one running the show. But if I've, if I've got a, like all I want to do is help organize the person and share ideas to help them continue to grow. Speaker 3: 18:11 I don't want to be an employee for the business. And that 50 slash 50 or 40 slash 60, I'm, I'm kind of like, they're kind of waiting on me to do stuff and that's, that goes against this idea of a smart business, right? So 70 slash 30 gives them, the lion's share were, they're still, they're still earning an incredible, you know, they're still getting the biggest bang for their buck. And really I've played around with 20 to 30 percent and I'm actually liking 20 a lot. And so that's one thing about it is like I always want to create a win win, but I really want to create a scenario where they went even more. Because I'm looking for lifelong friendships and relationships and partnerships. I'm not looking to, you know, get 50 slash 50 off the bat and then you're trying to look for ways out. You know what I mean? I don't want you to have to find, I don't want you to want to escape. I want you to come. I want us to continue to grow together. So that's kind of my thought process there. Speaker 2: 19:12 Yes, that's super, super cool. I'd sit here. I mean the pigment is like the classic. I mean he is like the perfect, attractive character. Speaker 3: 19:20 I'm telling you. I mean, you want to see his videos. You have ever seen his videos yet. I mean the guy is unbelievable. Speaker 2: 19:27 Seriously. I look at what you've done and it's, it's so cool for me is that kind of sit back and rest on our talking about this this morning. It's weird to build a platform or a software that now fuels other people's businesses and changes the lives of literally millions of people. I mean we're, we're releasing tonight operation underground railroad, the trailer and all that and the document, all that kind of stuff. So that was Kinda what we're talking about. But then it branched off into people like you and what you're doing. I mean, you've got a platform that you. You've totally changed his life. He changed the life of the, of that. Yeah, I mean the stuff that you're doing it, you're, you're having such a massive impact on the lives of so many people and the crazy thing is the more successful you become, you're like, I'm going to give back even more to them, so I only need 20 percent, but it then brings. It attracts so many more people to you. I mean West, congratulations and all of your success and it's just so dang cool. Speaker 3: 20:23 So much guys. I mean obviously I'd greatly appreciate what you guys have built here. What you're doing. I mean it's just, this has changed my life, you know what I mean? Like, uh, what got me into click funnels was I was trying to get a website bill and my guy was taking too long and then once I got it, it wasn't the way I wanted it to. And so I'm like, I've got to find a different way. So I'm like signing up for all these different things. Like, I mean all of them, name them all. That's what I always tell people is like, you know, tell me everything you can think of. I'm telling you, I've tried it. This is the best pound for pound king you got to get with the program. And I'm like, don't wait time. Um, so I mean it's because of this like that I have. It's opened up new creative outlets for me because without this I'm not doing all these things I'm doing without this. I'm still stuck in the mud, you know, without this I'm still, you know, I'm still stuck in the Stone Age compared to where I am now. So thank you guys for. You've done. Speaker 4: 21:21 Yeah. I do have one question for you because we're talking about a lot of successes and everything like that, but you know, when you peel that back, there's usually some experiences in life or some trials or some errors along the way that got you to that point. Can you think of one of those are kind of that big domino for you? Speaker 3: 21:39 What was it or what, what's that? What was it or what were they? I mean, sometimes it's more than just one. Yeah, I mean I'll tell you guys because I know you got to go, but I'll tell you this really crazy quick story. So whenever I first started out being an entrepreneur, I had a really fast rise and so I did what all entrepreneurs do where I think that there's, it's only flow, there's never a right, like when we first started out as an entrepreneur and start making money, we're thinking this is just gonna flow forever. There's never going to be an a. So I bought, I went out, I was 19 year old kid, I bought a dodge viper and then I thought well I can't have just a dodge viper. So I've got a Chevrolet Tahoe. Like it was like driving this green school bus. Speaker 3: 22:21 I don't even have kids. I wasn't even married. So, um, anyways, the. At that time my check starts to go down a little bit and this is like in 2004, my check starts to go down a little bit more, a little bit more, little bit more. Well, pretty soon I have to voluntarily repossessed my dodge viper. At the time I had to take on roommates because I had this house that was too big and so I take on, these roommates will turns out one of them is a con artist, like literally a con artist that the US marshals or after, okay, I get this call one day and this guy goes, hey, I just retired from the shoe business and I want to meet with you about your, your opportunity. I'm thinking what? But okay, so I made up with this guy and he goes, I'm a US marshal. Speaker 3: 23:07 What you say, what you tell me today is going to determine whether you go to go to jail or whether you go away for free. I just show up to the, I think I'm in a business appointment. Look like a little school boy presentation book and everything. They were after my roommate who was a wanted a like identity theft, all this kind of stuff. Oh my gosh. So I started putting me in weird situations and I, I, I got to a point where I was like super, almost like super depressed, right? Like, I mean, my identity had been wrapped up in this car and my success and my fast dries and everybody knew me as a successful person. All of a sudden, you know, I'm on, I'm making like 3000 a month, which is still great income. But from where I was, I mean, that's not enough. Speaker 3: 23:52 I'm, I'm struggling here. And I never went for forget my mentor came over and he said, hey wes, what you're going through as a test and you can either pass this test, but if you don't, you know, God's going to keep giving you the same test. It's just going to look a little bit different. It's just going to seem a little bit different, but you, you gotta pass this test and that's all it is a test and that's why many are called and chosen. And so I'm like, wow, okay. So once I realized like everything is really just a test and the nothing's final, you know, like no matter what happens, my best days are ahead of me. That kind of helped me pull myself up by my bootstraps. And once I, once I went down and came back up from that point on, I've been pretty. Speaker 3: 24:38 I've been pretty bulletproof, you know what I mean? Like I wouldn't say I'm just completely, you know, I don't have bad days or weeks or whatever. I mean last week I lost 16 grand on a, on a just because I forgot what day of the week it was because July fourth came in the middle of, of the week and it kind of confused me. I lost 16 grand. We'll, you know, before this I probably would have freaked out, you know what I mean? But now it's like, okay cool, how do I want to replace that? That's awesome. But I'm like, it's so cool that it's all lifestyle all about perspective. No matter what we go through and everything is just a test. Like it was just a challenge of hey, I'm going to take you, here's 16 grand, gone, what are you going to do now? Let's find out, you know. So that's Kinda how I try to approach it. Miles and obviously, you know, sometimes I got to take my own advice. Sometimes I forget what I'm telling you right now. I have to remember, you know, so it just, it is really nice, but it's great. Speaker 4: 25:33 Awesome. Well thanks. That was kind of like, that was my question that I, I used to have my own podcast and that was the question I always ask because it's interesting to hear kind of what people had to go through to get to where they, at Russell's talking about it, it had a couple of different things that went well and crashed. I don't know if you know Dave, probably the same thing. Me, myself, the exact same thing. We all have those and like you said, you know, how are we going to pick ourselves up? How are we're going to have that outlook and when we come up with that outlook, we do have to remind ourselves, okay, all right. Yeah, I got to keep going or I gotta do this, so I appreciate you telling us that West. Speaker 3: 26:02 Absolutely. Absolutely. That's as we get close to wrapping things up here, any parting words to our listeners here on funnel hacker radio? Hey Man, I think we've said it all today so far and I'll, I mean the kind of summed it up, I mean there are no more rules. Um, if I have a money problem, I don't really have a money problem. All I have as a sales and marketing problem and um, you know, the biggest thing I would say is just a. are we going to edit this? Speaker 4: 26:33 Probably not. I Speaker 3: 26:38 think I literally think I've said it all. I think I've said it all. People want to reach to get a hold of the West [inaudible] Dot Com and entrepreneur.club. Yes, yes sir. You bet you're the place. That's it. That's where you can find me through west. You're so awesome. I love just your attitude. Again, a good old boy from Texas. That's why you used that oil. That's exactly right. Analogy. I knew I grew up. I grew up about a mile or about, uh, about an hour from Midland, Texas. You know, midland had more millionaires per capita. And so this is my oil. Well, you know, I didn't, I wasn't born into a family that had oil, but this is my oil. I can pause. It's no different. The bank account doesn't care. Yeah, it was great talking with you guys as always west. Thanks so much. Bye. We'll talk to you guys are providing. Speaker 5: 27:28 Hey everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to podcasts. If you don't mind, could you please share this with others, rate and review this podcast on itunes. It means the world to me. We're, I'm trying to get to as a million downloads here in the next few months and just crush through over $650,000 and I just want to get the next few 100,000 so we can get to a million downloads and see really what I can do to help improve and and get this out to more people. At the same time. If there's a topic, there's something you'd like me to share or someone you'd like me to interview, by all means, just reach out to me on facebook. You can pm me and I'll be more than happy to take any of your feedback as well as the people would like me to interview. 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