
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Nov 16, 2023 • 58min
Episode 170: Patagonia at 50: Reflections and Forward w/ Vincent Stanley
Philip spends time with Vincent Stanley, Chief Philosophy Officer, Patagonia. In their conversation they discuss his new book, co-authored with Patagonia’s CEO The Future of the Responsible Company. At the 50 year mark they take a look back at Patagonia’s journey but most importantly look forward to the challenges ahead.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Say She She
Say She She – Silver
Say She She on Spotify
Vincent’s Drop:
John Fullerton – Capital Institute

Nov 9, 2023 • 52min
Episode 169: The Birth of Computer Vision w/ James E. Dobson
Philip spends time with James E. Dobson and discusses his latest work The Birth of Computer Vision. In their conversation, they trace the origins of computer vision as a concept and technology and how it effects the technological, economic and social structures of society
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Hotel Portofino (PBS Masterpiece)
James’ Drop:
Unmasking AI – Joy Buolamwini
Pinc Louds Special Guest: James E. Dobson.

Oct 26, 2023 • 57min
Episode 168: Thinking Through Design Research w/ Joyce Yee & Paul A. Rodgers
Philip spends time with scholars and co-editors Joyce Yee & Paul A. Rodgers discussing the 2nd edition of The Routledge Companion to Design Research. In their conversation, they highlight why they felt a 2nd edition was needed, how they identified new voices and the current state of the field of design research.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Speech:
The Story Behind Dr. Martin Luther King Jr’s Dream – Gary Younge
Joyce’s Drop:
Braiding Sweetgrass – Robin Wall Kimmerer
Paul’s Drop:
Design for the Unthinkable World (exhibit): https://www.k-ora.it/en/arte/mostre/design-for-the-unthinkable-world/Special Guests: Joyce Yee and Paul A. Rodgers.

Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 8min
Episode 167: Feminist Futures of Work w/ Usha Raman & Payal Arora
Philip spends time with scholars/thinkers/activist Usha Raman & Payal Arora. They are two of the co-editors of Feminist Futures of Work: Reimagining Labour in the Digital Economy. In this conversation, they cover the meaning of work (and leisure) and how it intersects with feminist futures across different backgrounds and circumstances.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
American Museum of Natural History
Ushal’s Drop:
Women Talking (Amazon Prime)
Payal’s Drop:
The Swaddle (Instagram) Special Guests: Payal Arora and Usha Raman.

Oct 12, 2023 • 56min
Episode 166: The World of Experience Design w/ Abraham Burickson
Philip spends time with Abraham Burickson, designer, teacher, and consultant. He is the author of the new book, Experience Design: A Participatory Manifesto. In their conversation, they discuss the nature of experiences and how design plays an essential role in elevating what we know of experience(s)
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
How Buildings Learn: What Happens After They Are Built – Stewart Brand
Abrahaml’s Drop:
The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters – Priya Parker Special Guests: Payal Arora and Usha Raman.

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 1min
Episode 165: The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy w/ Robert P. Jones
Philip spends time with Robert P. Jones, President and founder of Public Religion Research Institute. In their conversation, they discuss his latest book The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy and how tracing the historical legacy of white supremacy is essential to moving forward as a society.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Arrival (film)
Robert’s Drop:
Jesus and the Disinherited – Howard Thurman Special Guest: Robert P. Jones.

Sep 28, 2023 • 56min
Episode 164: Design for Identity w/ Jessica Bantom
Philip spends time with author, speaker and consultant Jessica Bantom. In their conversation, they explore Jessica’s new book, Design for Identity: How to Design Authentically for a Diverse World. What does it mean to deeply consider identity when designing spaces? What opportunities are revealed when taking a collaborative approach to design and identity?
_The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. _
Philip’s Drop:
Hammer & Hope
Jessica’s Drop:
Loot (Apple TV) Special Guest: Jessica Bantom.

Sep 21, 2023 • 48min
Episode 163: The Rise of The New Designer w/ Manuel Lima
Philip spends time with designer and author Manuel Lima. In their conversation they discuss his latest book, The New Designer: Rejecting Myths, Embracing Culture. In this rich discussion they cover how design needs to adjust in order to maintain relevance in how we build and create around us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Spending time in the kitchen (cooking and entertaining)
Manuel’s Drop:
Spending time in nature Special Guest: Manuel Lima.

Aug 24, 2023 • 1h 9min
Episode 162: Colorblind Tools & Global Technologies w/ Marzia Milazzo
Philip spends time with professor/author Marzia Milazzo. In their conversation, they discuss her new book Colorblind Tools: Global Technologies of Racial Power and how the colorblind ideology effects how we think about race and systems of power
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Bloodhounds (Netflix)
Marzia’s Drop:
The life and writing of Mumia Abu-Jamal

Aug 17, 2023 • 1h 6min
Episode 161: Class War w/Mark Steven
Philip spends time with Mark Steven, author of Class War: A Literary History. In their conversation, they discuss how class warfare traces itself through literature, how the notion of “warfare” plays out in class politics and what literature signals for anti-capitalist movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Aja Monet
Mark’s Drop:
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
God’s Pee at State’s End
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