
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Apr 11, 2024 • 1h 21min
Episode 186: When the World Is A Bezzle w/ Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow, a renowned science fiction author and activist, dives into the themes of his recent works, 'The Bezzle' and 'The Internet Con.' He explores the dark complexities of financial scams in Silicon Valley through a noir lens, shedding light on systemic corruption. The conversation also navigates the interplay of meritocracy, privilege, and luck in success, while highlighting the urgent need for trust in institutions. Doctorow advocates for fair competition in the tech landscape and discusses the societal costs of digital dependency, calling for collective action against climate change.

Apr 4, 2024 • 1h 22min
Episode 185: Hodge Podge, Gaps & Cracks w/ Dan Hill
Philip welcomes Dan Hill, Director, Melbourne School of Design to the show and they take a rambling journey through the worlds of architecture, design, music and all the gaps and cracks they can manage.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Shogun (FX/Hulu)
Dan’s Drop:
The Man Who Died
Smoke and Ashes – Amitav Ghosh

Mar 21, 2024 • 58min
Episode 184: They Called It Peace w/ Lauren Benton
Philip welcomes historian and author Lauren Benton to the show to discuss her latest book They Called it Peace: Worlds of Imperial Violence. In their conversation, they explore how empire, small wars and plunder are key elements of how we think about peace.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Deadwood (HBO)
Lauren’s Drop:
The Gone Away World – Nick Harkaway

Mar 14, 2024 • 59min
Episode 183: Resisting Racial Capitalism w/ Ida Danewid
Philip welcomes lecturer and author Ida Danewid to the show to discuss her work Resisting Racial Capitalism. In their conversation, they explore Ida’s scholarship and how it confronts the way we think of racial capitalism and challenge our current governing structures and organizations.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Superstore (Peacock)
Ida’s Drop:
Stolen – Ann-Helen Laestadius

Mar 7, 2024 • 53min
Episode 182: Design Social Change w/ Lesley-Ann Noel
Philip welcomes design scholar Lesley-Ann Noel back to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book Design Social Change. In their conversation they discuss how design intentionally done can be a catalyst for driving social change.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Creator (Hulu)
Sy Smith – Until We Meet Again
Lesley-Ann’s Drop:
The Color Purple (HBO Max)
The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity and Love – bell hooks
The Descent of Men – Grayson Perry Special Guest: Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel.

Feb 29, 2024 • 54min
Episode 181: Disneyland on the Mountain w/ Greg Glasgow & Kathryn Mayer
Philip welcomes authors Greg Glasgow & Kathryn Mayer to discuss their book Disneyland on the Mountain. Their conversation examines Disney at a remarkable time in its history and how its ambition helped launch the modern environmental movement.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Snabba Cash (Netflix)
Greg’s Drop:
The Holdovers
Kathryn’s Drop:
Behind the Attraction (Disney+) Special Guest: Greg Glasgow & Kathryn Mayer.

Feb 22, 2024 • 58min
Episode 180: After One Hundred Winters w/ Margaret D. Jacobs
Philip welcomes historian Margaret D. Jacobs author of One Hundred Winters: In Search of Reconciliation on America’s Stolen Lands. In their conversation, they discuss the history of stolen lands in the foundation of America and the possibility of reconciliation against the colonial settler legacy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Engage deeply with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
https://www.harvard.com/book/a_testament_of_hope_the_essential_writings_and_speeches_of_martin_luther_ki/
https://ccsre.stanford.edu/publications/essential-martin-luther-king-jr
Margaret’s Drop:
The Rediscovery of America – Ned Blackhawk https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300244052/the-rediscovery-of-america/

Feb 15, 2024 • 1h 16min
Episode 179: Blood in the Machine w/ Brian Merchant
Philip welcomes columnist/writer Brian Merchant to the show to discuss his latest book, Blood in the Machine. In their conversation they trace the history of the Luddite movement and how it connects to the current pushback against Silicon Valley and tech titans.Special Guest: Brian Merchant.

Feb 8, 2024 • 56min
Episode 178: New Bones Abolition w/ Joy James
Philip welcomes back Joy James to The Deep Dive to discuss her latest book New Bones Abolition: Captive Maternal and the (after)life of Erica Garner. In their conversation, they discuss the power and scope of the abolition movement, the dismissal of Harvard President Claudine Gay and more.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Scalawag https://scalawagmagazine.org/
Joy’s Drop: Special Guest: Dr. Joy James.

Feb 1, 2024 • 1h 17min
Episode 177: We Are Not Users w/ Eswaran Subrahmanian & Yoram Reich
Philip spends time with the authors of We Are Not Users exploring the importance of our being human against the disembodied narrative of people merely as “users” of technology and services.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
High on the Hog (Netflix)
Bye Bye Barry (Amazon Prime)
Sub’s Drop:
Everything, Everywhere All At Once
Mr. Palomar – Italo Cavino
Enjoying Cookbooks
Yoram’s Drop:
Rashomon
Getting out and listening to Live JazzSpecial Guests: Eswaran Subrahmanian and Yoram Reich.