
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Oct 12, 2023 • 56min
Episode 166: The World of Experience Design w/ Abraham Burickson
Philip spends time with Abraham Burickson, designer, teacher, and consultant. He is the author of the new book, Experience Design: A Participatory Manifesto. In their conversation, they discuss the nature of experiences and how design plays an essential role in elevating what we know of experience(s)
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
How Buildings Learn: What Happens After They Are Built – Stewart Brand
Abrahaml’s Drop:
The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters – Priya Parker Special Guests: Payal Arora and Usha Raman.

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 1min
Episode 165: The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy w/ Robert P. Jones
Philip spends time with Robert P. Jones, President and founder of Public Religion Research Institute. In their conversation, they discuss his latest book The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy and how tracing the historical legacy of white supremacy is essential to moving forward as a society.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Arrival (film)
Robert’s Drop:
Jesus and the Disinherited – Howard Thurman Special Guest: Robert P. Jones.

Sep 28, 2023 • 56min
Episode 164: Design for Identity w/ Jessica Bantom
Philip spends time with author, speaker and consultant Jessica Bantom. In their conversation, they explore Jessica’s new book, Design for Identity: How to Design Authentically for a Diverse World. What does it mean to deeply consider identity when designing spaces? What opportunities are revealed when taking a collaborative approach to design and identity?
_The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. _
Philip’s Drop:
Hammer & Hope
Jessica’s Drop:
Loot (Apple TV) Special Guest: Jessica Bantom.

Sep 21, 2023 • 48min
Episode 163: The Rise of The New Designer w/ Manuel Lima
Philip spends time with designer and author Manuel Lima. In their conversation they discuss his latest book, The New Designer: Rejecting Myths, Embracing Culture. In this rich discussion they cover how design needs to adjust in order to maintain relevance in how we build and create around us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Spending time in the kitchen (cooking and entertaining)
Manuel’s Drop:
Spending time in nature Special Guest: Manuel Lima.

Aug 24, 2023 • 1h 9min
Episode 162: Colorblind Tools & Global Technologies w/ Marzia Milazzo
Philip spends time with professor/author Marzia Milazzo. In their conversation, they discuss her new book Colorblind Tools: Global Technologies of Racial Power and how the colorblind ideology effects how we think about race and systems of power
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Bloodhounds (Netflix)
Marzia’s Drop:
The life and writing of Mumia Abu-Jamal

Aug 17, 2023 • 1h 6min
Episode 161: Class War w/Mark Steven
Philip spends time with Mark Steven, author of Class War: A Literary History. In their conversation, they discuss how class warfare traces itself through literature, how the notion of “warfare” plays out in class politics and what literature signals for anti-capitalist movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Aja Monet
Mark’s Drop:
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
God’s Pee at State’s End

Aug 10, 2023 • 1h 3min
Episode 160: Closing the Loop w/ Sheryl Cababa
Philip spends time with designer and author Sheryl Cababa. Over the course of the episode they spend time discussing her book Closing The Loop: Systems Thinking For Designers and why systems thinking provides a richer context for designers to work their craft.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sweet and Juicy – Sheng Wang (Netflix)
Sheryl’s Drop:
Jia Tolentino
The Indolence of The Filipino – Jose Rizal

Aug 3, 2023 • 1h 5min
Episode 159: Reflections on Transformational Change w/ Lina Srivastava
Philip spends time with Lina Srivastava, Founder of the Center for Transformational Change, a women of color-led global impact platform. In their conversation, Philip engages with three time guest Lina on her long and ground breaking career as an activist, how to work to create change among under-resourced communities, and insightful reflections on the worlds of philanthropy and change work. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Dave Matthews Band – Walk Around The Moon
Lina’s Drop:
Brian Eno//Fred Again – Secret Life Special Guest: Lina Srivastava.

Jul 20, 2023 • 1h 2min
Episode 158: The Space(s) Between w/ Eliza Yvette Esquivel
Philip spends time with Eliza Yvette Esquivel, Chief Strategy Officer, Barbarian on her 2nd appearance on The Deep Dive. In their conversation they explore the tension in emerging technologies and their underlying ideas. There are space(s) that remain intangible between theory and practice and this conversation attempts to map that territory.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Silo (AppleTV+)
Eliza’s Drop:
Love Between Fairy and Devil (Netflix) Special Guest: Eliza Yvette Esquivel .

Jul 13, 2023 • 58min
Episode 157: Visualizing Complexity w/ Darjan Hil
Philip spends time with information designer, co-founder of Superdot and the co-author of Visualizing Complexity, the Handbook for Modular Information Design. In this episode they discuss his work and latest book and how visual tools can help us better understand and capture the way complexity works.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Unprisoned (Hulu)
Darjan’s Drop:
Ted Lasso (Apple TV+) Special Guest: Darjan Hill.