

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Aug 24, 2023 • 1h 9min
Episode 162: Colorblind Tools & Global Technologies w/ Marzia Milazzo
Philip spends time with professor/author Marzia Milazzo. In their conversation, they discuss her new book Colorblind Tools: Global Technologies of Racial Power and how the colorblind ideology effects how we think about race and systems of power
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Bloodhounds (Netflix)
Marzia’s Drop:
The life and writing of Mumia Abu-Jamal

Aug 17, 2023 • 1h 6min
Episode 161: Class War w/Mark Steven
Philip spends time with Mark Steven, author of Class War: A Literary History. In their conversation, they discuss how class warfare traces itself through literature, how the notion of “warfare” plays out in class politics and what literature signals for anti-capitalist movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Aja Monet
Mark’s Drop:
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
God’s Pee at State’s End

Aug 10, 2023 • 1h 3min
Episode 160: Closing the Loop w/ Sheryl Cababa
Philip spends time with designer and author Sheryl Cababa. Over the course of the episode they spend time discussing her book Closing The Loop: Systems Thinking For Designers and why systems thinking provides a richer context for designers to work their craft.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sweet and Juicy – Sheng Wang (Netflix)
Sheryl’s Drop:
Jia Tolentino
The Indolence of The Filipino – Jose Rizal

Aug 3, 2023 • 1h 5min
Episode 159: Reflections on Transformational Change w/ Lina Srivastava
Philip spends time with Lina Srivastava, Founder of the Center for Transformational Change, a women of color-led global impact platform. In their conversation, Philip engages with three time guest Lina on her long and ground breaking career as an activist, how to work to create change among under-resourced communities, and insightful reflections on the worlds of philanthropy and change work. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Dave Matthews Band – Walk Around The Moon
Lina’s Drop:
Brian Eno//Fred Again – Secret Life Special Guest: Lina Srivastava.

Jul 20, 2023 • 1h 2min
Episode 158: The Space(s) Between w/ Eliza Yvette Esquivel
Philip spends time with Eliza Yvette Esquivel, Chief Strategy Officer, Barbarian on her 2nd appearance on The Deep Dive. In their conversation they explore the tension in emerging technologies and their underlying ideas. There are space(s) that remain intangible between theory and practice and this conversation attempts to map that territory.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Silo (AppleTV+)
Eliza’s Drop:
Love Between Fairy and Devil (Netflix) Special Guest: Eliza Yvette Esquivel .

Jul 13, 2023 • 58min
Episode 157: Visualizing Complexity w/ Darjan Hil
Philip spends time with information designer, co-founder of Superdot and the co-author of Visualizing Complexity, the Handbook for Modular Information Design. In this episode they discuss his work and latest book and how visual tools can help us better understand and capture the way complexity works.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Unprisoned (Hulu)
Darjan’s Drop:
Ted Lasso (Apple TV+) Special Guest: Darjan Hill.

Jul 6, 2023 • 1h 7min
Episode 156: Talking White Saviorism w/ Themrise Khan
Philip spends time with scholar and author Themrise Khan discussing her work as editor of the book White Saviorism in International Development. Together they breakdown the roots of the white savior complex and what it means to development work globally in the present and the future. The
Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Toni Morrison: The Pieces I Am (documentary via Netflix)
Themrise’s Drop:
Abdul Satta Edhi Special Guest: Themrise Khan.

Jun 29, 2023 • 1h 8min
Episode 155: Cancelled & Woke: Real or Imagined w/ Umut Ozkirimli
Philip spends time with Umut Ozkirimli, author of the recent book Cancelled: The Left Way Back From Woke. In their conversation, they discuss Umut’s primary thesis regarding “woke” and “cancelled” as operating principles on the left. In turn they navigate through competing perspectives on the meaning and relevance of so-called cancel culture and being woke.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Jury Duty (FreeVee/Amazon Prime)
Umut’s Drop:
The Purpose of Power: How We Come Together When We Fall Apart – Alicia Garza Special Guest: Umut Ozkirimli.

Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 154: Reflecting on Living Colour’s Time’s Up w/ Kimberly Mack
Philip spends time with U. of Toldeo professor and author Kimberly Mack. They discuss her book Time’s Up part of the 33 1/3 publishing series that celebrates the seminal and second album from legendary rock group Living Colour.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Legend of Korra (Netflix)
Kimberly’’s Drop:
Black Diamond Queens - Maureen Mahon Special Guest: Kimberly Mack.

Jun 15, 2023 • 53min
Episode 153: Facing Our Futures w/ Nikolas Badminton
Philip spends time with futurist/author Nikolas Badminton. They discuss his new book Facing Our Futures, the efficacy of futures planning and scenario mapping and how one discerns opportunity as they look forward while managing to avoid dystopian perspectives.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Mad Men (FreeVee/AMC+)
Nikolas’s Drop:
Quantam of Solace Special Guest: Nikolas Badminton.