
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Jul 6, 2023 • 1h 7min
Episode 156: Talking White Saviorism w/ Themrise Khan
Philip spends time with scholar and author Themrise Khan discussing her work as editor of the book White Saviorism in International Development. Together they breakdown the roots of the white savior complex and what it means to development work globally in the present and the future. The
Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Toni Morrison: The Pieces I Am (documentary via Netflix)
Themrise’s Drop:
Abdul Satta Edhi Special Guest: Themrise Khan.

Jun 29, 2023 • 1h 8min
Episode 155: Cancelled & Woke: Real or Imagined w/ Umut Ozkirimli
Philip spends time with Umut Ozkirimli, author of the recent book Cancelled: The Left Way Back From Woke. In their conversation, they discuss Umut’s primary thesis regarding “woke” and “cancelled” as operating principles on the left. In turn they navigate through competing perspectives on the meaning and relevance of so-called cancel culture and being woke.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Jury Duty (FreeVee/Amazon Prime)
Umut’s Drop:
The Purpose of Power: How We Come Together When We Fall Apart – Alicia Garza Special Guest: Umut Ozkirimli.

Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 154: Reflecting on Living Colour’s Time’s Up w/ Kimberly Mack
Philip spends time with U. of Toldeo professor and author Kimberly Mack. They discuss her book Time’s Up part of the 33 1/3 publishing series that celebrates the seminal and second album from legendary rock group Living Colour.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Legend of Korra (Netflix)
Kimberly’’s Drop:
Black Diamond Queens - Maureen Mahon Special Guest: Kimberly Mack.

Jun 15, 2023 • 53min
Episode 153: Facing Our Futures w/ Nikolas Badminton
Philip spends time with futurist/author Nikolas Badminton. They discuss his new book Facing Our Futures, the efficacy of futures planning and scenario mapping and how one discerns opportunity as they look forward while managing to avoid dystopian perspectives.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Mad Men (FreeVee/AMC+)
Nikolas’s Drop:
Quantam of Solace Special Guest: Nikolas Badminton.

Jun 8, 2023 • 1h 8min
Episode 152: Design Fiction Come to Life w/ Julian Bleecker
Philip spends time designer Julian Bleecker, author of The Manual of Design Fiction. In their conversation they discuss how the practice of design fiction can help think about potential future(s) and create tangible artifacts that assist in world building. The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Attack on Titan (Hulu//Crunchyroll)
Julian’s Drop:
2023 Work Kit of Design Fiction Special Guest: Julian Bleecker.

May 25, 2023 • 1h 6min
Episode 151: Making Revolutionary Love w/ Dr. Joy James
Philip spends time with scholar Dr. Joy James. In their conversation they discuss her latest work In Pursuit of Revolutionary Love, how Love is a radical political force for activists and organizers and a central principle for making a new world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: S
ign O’ the Times – Prince
Songs in the Key of Life – Stevie Wonder
Joyi’s Drop: Sinnerman –
Nina SimoneSpecial Guest: Dr. Joy James.

May 18, 2023 • 1h 3min
Episode 150: Decolonizing Design w/ Dr. Dori Dunstall
Philip spends time with OCAD University’s Dean of Design Dori Tunstall, author of Decolonizing Design: A Cultural Justice Handbook, In their conversation they trace the lineage of the decolonizing movement, how it has evolved and what needs to happen for there to be a universal acceptance of this movement.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Terence Trent D’arby (Sananda Maitreya) – Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D’arby
Dori’s Drop:
Design Justice: Community Led Practices to Build the Worlds We Need --- Sasha Costanza-Chock Special Guest: Dr. Dori Dunstall.

May 11, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 149: Palo Alto: Culture & Capitalism w/ Malcolm Harris
Philip spends time with Malcolm Harris, author of Palo Alto: A History of California, Capitalism, and the World. In their conversation they dive into the long winding history of California broadly and Palo Alto specifically to better understand how these specific cultures have shaped Silicon Valley and the tech industry globally.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Wanderlust – Durand Bernarr
Malcolm’s Drop:
How to Blow Up a Pipeline – Andreas Malm -
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/movies/how-to-blow-up-a-pipeline-review.htmlSpecial Guest: Malcolm Harris1.

May 4, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 148: Breakthrough to Thriving w/ Wayne Visser
Philip spends time with Wayne Visser, author Thriving: The Breakthrough Movement to Regenerate Nature, Society and the Economy. In their conversation they examine the thesis of moving to a regenerative society, what it takes and who stands to benefit.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Corporation (documentary)
Wayne’s Drop:
Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring The Planet – George Monbiot

Apr 27, 2023 • 1h 2min
Episode 147: Preparing for War & White Christian Nationalism w/ Bradley Onishi
Philip spends time with author and podcaster Bradley Onishi, the author of Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism and What Comes Next. In their conversation they discuss the consistent threat of white Christian Nationalism, what it means for the United States socially and politically.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Mrs. America (Hulu) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9244556/
Exterminate All the Brutes (HBO Max) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8396314/
Bradley’s Drop: Virgin Nation – Sara Moslener https://global.oup.com/academic/product/virgin-nation-9780199987764?cc=us&lang=en&