
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Apr 20, 2023 • 54min
Episode 146: A Pilgrim’s Journey w/ Dr. Agustin Chevez
Philip spends time with Dr. Agustin Chevez, author of The Pilgrim’s Guide to the Workplace. In their discussion they focus on Gus’s pilgrimage through Australia, the power of movement and walking as a meditation and what he learned about life and work along his journey.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Wayne Shorter
Gus’s Drop:
The Most Human Human – Brian Christian Special Guest: Dr. Agustin Chevez.

Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 145: Community As Rebellion w/ Dr. Lorgia Carcia Pena
Philip spends time with scholar/author Dr. Lorgia Garcia Pena. In their conversation, they discuss her work Community As Rebellion, the triumphs and traps of academia and how to navigate hostile environments while building and maintaining community.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Physical 100 (Netflix) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt25274446/
Lorgia’s Drop: Solito: A Memoir – Javier Zamora https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705626/solito-by-javier-zamora/

Apr 6, 2023 • 1h 10min
Episode 144: The Language of Trees w/ Katie Holten
Philip spends time with artist/activist/author Katie Holten. In this conversation they discuss her latest book The Language of Trees, the power of rewilding and how we entangle ourselves with non-human beings.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Glory (Netflix)
Katie’s Drop:
Reservation Dogs (Hulu//FX)

Mar 30, 2023 • 58min
Episode 143: Black(ness) in the Country w/ Hillarie Maddox
Philip spends time with Hillarie Maddox, founder of Black Girl Country Living magazine and podcast. They discuss her move from high tech career and urban living to a country lifestyle centered in nature.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Harlem (Amazon Prime)
Hillarie’s Drop:
[Is That Black Enough For You? (Netflix) ](That Black Enough For You? (Netflix))Special Guest: Hillarie Maddox.

Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 142: The Nature of Being Lonely & Intimacy w/ Aimee Lutkin
Philip spends time with Aimee Lutkin, author The Lonely Hunter. In their conversation they discuss how being lonely effects your intimacy and how the prevailing social and economic systems impact loneliness.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
De La Soul discography
Aimee’s Drop:
Love Life (formerly HBO Max) Special Guest: Aimee Lutkin.

Mar 16, 2023 • 50min
Episode 141: Diving into Discursive Design w/ Bruce Tharp
Industrial designer and anthropologist Bruce Tharp joins the host to discuss discursive design and its critical approach. They explore the intersection of design and anthropology, the transformation of a neighborhood in Brooklyn, and the importance of going beyond form and utility. Recommended: 'if I had three lives' poem and 'The Revival' by Penny Kelly.

Mar 9, 2023 • 1h 2min
Episode 140: Gentrification Is Inevitable & Other Lies w/ Leslie Kern
Philip spends time with author and educator Leslie Kern discussing her latest book Gentrification is Inevitable & Other Lies. In their conversation they explore the ways in which the harms of gentrification are rooted in several overlapping systems and how to identify and work against the lies of gentrification inevitability.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Black Reconstruction in America – WEB Dubois
Reconstruction – Eric Foner
Leslie’s Drop: Sons of Elsewhere
Elamin AbdelmahmoudSpecial Guest: Leslie Kern.

Mar 2, 2023 • 1h 5min
Episode 139: How We Think About Forgiveness w/ Matthew Ichihashi Potts
Philip spends time with professor/author Matthew Ichihashi Potts. In this conversation they discuss Matthew’s book Forgiveness: An Alternative Account and what it means to forgive in a modern society, is it a virtue and who is expected to forgive and why.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
All things bell hooks
Matthew’s Drop:
The Buried Giant – Kazuo Ishiguro Special Guest: Matthew Ichihashi Potts.

Feb 23, 2023 • 57min
Episode 138: Butterflies and Justice w/Julian Aguon
Philip spends time with Julian Aguon, author of No Country for Eight-Spot Butterflies. In their conversation, Philip and Julian discuss his life on Guam and its unique colonial reality, his work in social justice activist, and his lyrical new book.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Library
Julian’s Drop:
Nuclear Family – Joseph Han Special Guest: Julian Aguon.

Feb 16, 2023 • 1h 1min
Episode 137: Another World is Possible w/ Sir Geoff Mulgan
Philip spends time with Sir Geoff Mulgan, author of several books but most recently the work titled Another World is Possible. They discuss the seemingly pervasive fascination with dystopian futures and what it means for our collective ability to imagine a different future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Fractal Geometry of Nature – Benoit Mandelbrot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fractal_Geometry_of_Nature
Sir Geoff’s Drop: The War of the Poor – Eric Vuillard - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/645456/the-war-of-the-poor-by-eric-vuillard/
RRR (Film – Netflix) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8178634/Special Guest: Sir Geoff Mulgan.