
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Feb 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Episode 136: The Promise of Co-Cities w/ Sheila Foster
Philip spends time with Sheila R. Foster, co-author of Co-Cities: Innovative Transitions toward Just and Self-Sustaining Communities. In their conversation they discuss the promise of cities, the progress being made toward a Co-Cities paradigm and what we are getting right in our cities globally.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
To Shape a New World: Essays on the Political Philosophy of Martin Luther King. Jr – Edited by Tommie Shelby
Sheila’s Drop:
The Fight to Save the Town: Reimagining Discarded America – Michelle Wilde AndersonSpecial Guest: Sheila Foster.

Feb 2, 2023 • 57min
Episode 135: Building Imagination Infrastructures
In this episode Philip is joined my long time friend and contributor Indy Johar. The first episode of the new year has become a tradition on The Deep Dive as Philip and Indy create space for a wide ranging conversation tackling our emergent and entangled future. Special Guest: Indy Johar.

Dec 22, 2022 • 55min
Episode 134: On the Necessity of Gardening w/ Laurie Cluitmans
Philip spends time with Laurie Cluitmans, editor On the Necessity of Gardening: An ABC of Art, Botany and Cultivation. In their conversation they discuss the life and societal lessons we learn from gardening and the power of a cultivation mindset.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Homegrown (HBO Max)
Laurie’s Drop:
Emergence Magazine Special Guest: Laurie Cluitmans.

Dec 15, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 133: Lessons from African American Management History w/ Leon Prieto
Philip spends time with Leon Prieto, professor and co-author of African American Management History: Insights on Gaining a Cooperative Advantage. In their conversation they discuss the long legacy of African American entrepreneurship and management leadership and how these insights challenge and potentially reform global capitalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Spy x Family (crunchyroll)
Leon’s Drop:
The Racial Contract – Charles W. Mills

Dec 8, 2022 • 1h 15min
Episode 132: From Xero to 100 w/ Joseph Illidge
Philip spends time with writer, creator and comic book expert/enthusiast Joseph Illidge. In their conversation they discuss the legacy of storytelling through the comic medium as well as the importance of diverse perspectives and the power of intellectual property and creative ownership.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Andor (Disney+)
Joseph’s Drop:
Will – Will Smith

Dec 2, 2022 • 1h
Episode 131: Public Bathrooms & the Public Good w/ Lezlie Lowe
Philip spends time with Lezlie Lowe, the author of No Place To Go, an incredible scholarly breakdown of what the lack of public bathrooms means for our public space. What opportunities do we miss when we fail to engage in both the private and public conversation about public bathrooms.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: From Scratch (Netflix)
Lezlie’s Drop: Old Enough (Netflix)
Empire of Pain – Patrick Radden Keefe Special Guest: Lezlie Lowe.

Nov 17, 2022 • 1h 9min
Episode 130: Becoming Kin w/Patty Krawec
Philip spends time with author and scholar Patty Krawec. In their conversation, they discuss Patty’s new book Becoming Kin and the importance of centering Indigenous perspectives and sovereignty and how it is necessary to connect unforgetting and reimagining to develop new future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: via listener Eion Higgins The Minefield (Australian radio show) https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/theminefield
Patty’s Drop: Elite Capture – Olufemi O. Taiwo https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1867-elite-capture
Thor: Ragnarok (Disney+) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3501632/

Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 6min
Episode 129: Going Beyond a Human Centered World w/Ron Wakkary
Philip spends time with Ron Wakkary, author of Things We Could Design for More Than Human Centered Worlds. In their conversation, they discuss how design and its focus on the human perspective has had significant costs to the non-human//natural world around us. How can designers think differently to incorporate a wider perspective that in turn opens up new alternatives.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Thomas Hardy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hardy
Ron’s Drop:
Suzanne Simard
Richard Powers Special Guest: Ron Wakkary.

Nov 3, 2022 • 1h 1min
Episode 128: Building Beloved Economies w/ Jess Rimington
Philip spends time with Jess Rimington, author of Beloved Economies. In their conversation they discuss the reasoning behind the concepts that make up beloved economies, how to make them real in the world and why this is so vital to building new institutions and relationships with economics.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The U.S and the Holocaust
Jess’s Drop:
Antionette D. Carroll
adrienne maree brown

Oct 27, 2022 • 58min
Episode 127: Living The Agrarian Spirit w/Norman Wirzba
Philip spends time with Norman Wirzba, author of the new book The Agrarian Spirit. In their conversation Philip and Norman explore the philosophical tenants of the agrarian spirit as a movement designed to confront the myriad and overlapping challenges of modernity.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Wizard of Oz and Other Narcissists – Eleanor D. Payson
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents – Lindsay C. Gibson
Norman’s Drop:
Don’t Hesitate – Mary Oliver Special Guest: Norman Wirzba.