

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 4min
Episode 142: The Nature of Being Lonely & Intimacy w/ Aimee Lutkin
Philip spends time with Aimee Lutkin, author The Lonely Hunter. In their conversation they discuss how being lonely effects your intimacy and how the prevailing social and economic systems impact loneliness.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
De La Soul discography
Aimee’s Drop:
Love Life (formerly HBO Max) Special Guest: Aimee Lutkin.

Mar 16, 2023 • 50min
Episode 141: Diving into Discursive Design w/ Bruce Tharp
Industrial designer and anthropologist Bruce Tharp joins the host to discuss discursive design and its critical approach. They explore the intersection of design and anthropology, the transformation of a neighborhood in Brooklyn, and the importance of going beyond form and utility. Recommended: 'if I had three lives' poem and 'The Revival' by Penny Kelly.

Mar 9, 2023 • 1h 2min
Episode 140: Gentrification Is Inevitable & Other Lies w/ Leslie Kern
Philip spends time with author and educator Leslie Kern discussing her latest book Gentrification is Inevitable & Other Lies. In their conversation they explore the ways in which the harms of gentrification are rooted in several overlapping systems and how to identify and work against the lies of gentrification inevitability.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Black Reconstruction in America – WEB Dubois
Reconstruction – Eric Foner
Leslie’s Drop: Sons of Elsewhere
Elamin AbdelmahmoudSpecial Guest: Leslie Kern.

Mar 2, 2023 • 1h 5min
Episode 139: How We Think About Forgiveness w/ Matthew Ichihashi Potts
Philip spends time with professor/author Matthew Ichihashi Potts. In this conversation they discuss Matthew’s book Forgiveness: An Alternative Account and what it means to forgive in a modern society, is it a virtue and who is expected to forgive and why.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
All things bell hooks
Matthew’s Drop:
The Buried Giant – Kazuo Ishiguro Special Guest: Matthew Ichihashi Potts.

Feb 23, 2023 • 57min
Episode 138: Butterflies and Justice w/Julian Aguon
Philip spends time with Julian Aguon, author of No Country for Eight-Spot Butterflies. In their conversation, Philip and Julian discuss his life on Guam and its unique colonial reality, his work in social justice activist, and his lyrical new book.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Library
Julian’s Drop:
Nuclear Family – Joseph Han Special Guest: Julian Aguon.

Feb 16, 2023 • 1h 1min
Episode 137: Another World is Possible w/ Sir Geoff Mulgan
Philip spends time with Sir Geoff Mulgan, author of several books but most recently the work titled Another World is Possible. They discuss the seemingly pervasive fascination with dystopian futures and what it means for our collective ability to imagine a different future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Fractal Geometry of Nature – Benoit Mandelbrot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fractal_Geometry_of_Nature
Sir Geoff’s Drop: The War of the Poor – Eric Vuillard - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/645456/the-war-of-the-poor-by-eric-vuillard/
RRR (Film – Netflix) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8178634/Special Guest: Sir Geoff Mulgan.

Feb 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Episode 136: The Promise of Co-Cities w/ Sheila Foster
Philip spends time with Sheila R. Foster, co-author of Co-Cities: Innovative Transitions toward Just and Self-Sustaining Communities. In their conversation they discuss the promise of cities, the progress being made toward a Co-Cities paradigm and what we are getting right in our cities globally.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
To Shape a New World: Essays on the Political Philosophy of Martin Luther King. Jr – Edited by Tommie Shelby
Sheila’s Drop:
The Fight to Save the Town: Reimagining Discarded America – Michelle Wilde AndersonSpecial Guest: Sheila Foster.

Feb 2, 2023 • 57min
Episode 135: Building Imagination Infrastructures
In this episode Philip is joined my long time friend and contributor Indy Johar. The first episode of the new year has become a tradition on The Deep Dive as Philip and Indy create space for a wide ranging conversation tackling our emergent and entangled future. Special Guest: Indy Johar.

Dec 22, 2022 • 55min
Episode 134: On the Necessity of Gardening w/ Laurie Cluitmans
Philip spends time with Laurie Cluitmans, editor On the Necessity of Gardening: An ABC of Art, Botany and Cultivation. In their conversation they discuss the life and societal lessons we learn from gardening and the power of a cultivation mindset.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Homegrown (HBO Max)
Laurie’s Drop:
Emergence Magazine Special Guest: Laurie Cluitmans.

Dec 15, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 133: Lessons from African American Management History w/ Leon Prieto
Philip spends time with Leon Prieto, professor and co-author of African American Management History: Insights on Gaining a Cooperative Advantage. In their conversation they discuss the long legacy of African American entrepreneurship and management leadership and how these insights challenge and potentially reform global capitalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Spy x Family (crunchyroll)
Leon’s Drop:
The Racial Contract – Charles W. Mills