
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Dec 5, 2024 • 58min
Episode 206: Love’s Braided Dance w/ Norman Wirzba
Philip welcome Norman Wirzba, back to The Deep Dive for his third appearance. He’s back to discuss his latest book Love’s Braided Dance. In their conversation, they discuss how love factors into our ability to solve pressing problems and build richer
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Vichy France:
Old Guard and New Guard 1940 – 1944 – Robert O. Paxton
Cobra (Amazon Prime)
Norman’s Drop:
Playground – Richard Powers
Van der Walk (Amazon Prime/PBS Masterpiece) Special Guest: Norman Wirzba.

Nov 21, 2024 • 1h 4min
Episode 205: Running Out of Everything w/ Peter S. Goodman
Philip welcomes global economic correspondent for The New York Times Peter S. Goodman to the show to discuss his new book How The World Ran out of Everything: Inside the Global Supply Chain. In this conversation they look at the fragility of the global supply chain and what it means for our long term economic, social and political stability.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Shadow Strays (Netflix)
Peter’s Drop: Stax:
Soulsville U.S.A (HBO//Max) Special Guest: Peter S. Goodman.

Nov 7, 2024 • 57min
Episode 204: Making New Worlds w/ Aida Mariam Davis
Philip welcomes writer/scholar Aida Mariam Davis to discuss her latest book Kindred Creation: Parables and Paradigms for Freedom.
In their wide ranging conversation they explore how building ties of kinship and surfacing varying knowledge systems can make new worlds possible.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sunny (Apple TV)
Aida’s Drop:
Soldier: A Poet’s Childhood – June Jordan Special Guest: Aida Mariam Davis.

Oct 31, 2024 • 53min
Episode 203: Leadership & Making a Masterpiece w/ Charles Spinosa
Philip welcome Charles Spinosa, author Leadership As Masterpiece Creation to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss what it means to be a leader, how we organize ourselves and what it looks like when masterpiece language and thinking applies itself to our work.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
SupaCell (Netflix)
Charles’s Drop:
Eve of St. Crispin’s Day (Speech – Youtube) Special Guest: Charles Spinosa.

Oct 24, 2024 • 1h 2min
Episode 202: Solving the Climate Crisis w/ John Berger
In this episode of The Deep Dive, Philip welcomes John Berger, the author of Solving the Climate Crisis. In this conversation, they examine the growing climate emergency against ongoing global movements to stem the tide and reverse course.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Design for the Real World – Victor Papanek
John’s Drop: Get Involved!

Oct 17, 2024 • 50min
Episode 201: Wrestling with Gender & Leadership w/ Susan Madsen
Philip welcomes researcher and author Susan Madsen to the show. In their conversation, they explore her new book focused on gender and leadership and dissect the consistent myths and impediments to women led leadership.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Becoming bell hooks (PBS)
Susan’s Drop:
Handbook of Research on Gender & Leadership 2nd edition Special Guest: Susan Madsen.

Sep 12, 2024 • 1h 15min
Episode 200: The Resilience Myth w/ Soraya Chemaly
On episode 200, Philip welcome author and activist Soraya Chemaly to the show. They discuss her latest book The Resilience Myth and how our belief systems on resilience, grit and strength impact us as individuals and as a society.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Saving Our Own Lives: A Lberatory Practice of Harm Reduction – Shira Hassan
Soraya’s Drop:
The Light Eaters: How the Unseen World of Plant Intelligence Offers a New Understanding of Life on Earth – Zoe Schlanger Special Guest: Soraya Chemaly.

Aug 22, 2024 • 57min
Episode 199: Black Scare/Red Scare w/ Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly
Philip welcomes Charisse Burden-Stelly author of Black Scare//Red Scare to the show. In their conversation, they examine the historical connection between the criminalization and fear mongering in radical politics through the lens of anti-communist and anti-Black thinking and policy.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Power (Netflix)
Butterfly in the Sky (Netflix)
Charisse’s Drop:
Tip of the Spear: Black Radicalism, Prison Repression, and the Long Attica Revolt
Marc Lamont Hill – Office Hours Special Guest: Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly.

Aug 8, 2024 • 55min
Episode 198: End of the World w/ Jon Mills
Philip welcomes Jon Mills the author of End of The World: Civilization and Its Fate. In their conversation, they discuss whether or not extinction is an inevitable event and what are the underlying conditions of a future that seems more precarious.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Bottoms Up and the Devil Laughs: A Journey Through The Deep State – Kerry Howley
Scavengers Reign (Netflix/HBO Max)
Jon’s Drop:Special Guest: Jon Mills.

Aug 1, 2024 • 1h 9min
Episode 197: St. Augustine & the Christian Master w/ Matthew Elia
Philip welcomes Matthew Elia to discuss his new book, The Problem of the Christian Master. Taking a turn into the theological we discuss how St. Augustine’s relationship with the master/slave duality has impacted modern Christian thinking. We dissect how this connects to Black Studies, liberation politics and on the other side of the equation Christian Nationalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Engage with Stuart Hall
Matthew’s Drop:
From a Broken Bottle Traces of Perfume Still Emanate – Nathaniel Mackey Special Guest: Matthew Elia.