
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Jan 23, 2025 • 58min
Episode 210: Reckoning with Mass Incarceration w/ Kevin B. Smith
Philip welcome Kevin B. Smith author of The Jailer’s Reckoning: How Mass Incarceration is Damaging America. In their conversation, they trace the myriad reasons why America, a leading democracy, also imprisons more people than any other country on Earth.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Language of Things – Deyan Sudjic
Kevin’s Drop:
James – Percival Everett

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Jan 15, 2025 • 1h 6min
Episode 209: Thinking About A Human Economy w/ Indy Johar
Indy Johar, a key thinker in human economy and frequent podcast guest, joins to explore a new vision for our economic future. He discusses the need to integrate human values with advanced technologies, warning against the risks of power centralization. The conversation critiques modern economic systems for neglecting environmental costs and promotes radical rethinking of value in sustainable contexts. They also touch on media recommendations that challenge the status quo, urging listeners to engage with complex societal narratives.

Dec 19, 2024 • 59min
Episode 208: Morningside and the Greensboro Massacre w/ Aran Shetterly
Philip welcomes Aran Shetterly, author of Morningside: The 1979 Greensboro Massacre and the Struggle for an American City’s Soul.
In their conversation, they go through the historical Greensboro Massacre and what it meant for the post Civil Rights era and the dawn of the Reagan era.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
C.B Strike (HBO Max)
Aran’s Drop:
Dark Winds (AMC)
Portraits of Peacemakers – edited by Robert Shetterly Special Guest: Aran Shetterly .

Dec 12, 2024 • 45min
Episode 207: What Design Can’t Do w/ Silvio Lorusso
Philip welcomes Silvio Lorusso to talk about his book What Design Can’t Do. In their conversation, they examine how design as a practice has changed and often fails to addresses larger social and economic issues.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Quincy Jones Discography
Silvio’s Drop:
Nick Cave Discography

Dec 5, 2024 • 58min
Episode 206: Love’s Braided Dance w/ Norman Wirzba
Philip welcome Norman Wirzba, back to The Deep Dive for his third appearance. He’s back to discuss his latest book Love’s Braided Dance. In their conversation, they discuss how love factors into our ability to solve pressing problems and build richer
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Vichy France:
Old Guard and New Guard 1940 – 1944 – Robert O. Paxton
Cobra (Amazon Prime)
Norman’s Drop:
Playground – Richard Powers
Van der Walk (Amazon Prime/PBS Masterpiece) Special Guest: Norman Wirzba.

Nov 21, 2024 • 1h 4min
Episode 205: Running Out of Everything w/ Peter S. Goodman
Philip welcomes global economic correspondent for The New York Times Peter S. Goodman to the show to discuss his new book How The World Ran out of Everything: Inside the Global Supply Chain. In this conversation they look at the fragility of the global supply chain and what it means for our long term economic, social and political stability.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Shadow Strays (Netflix)
Peter’s Drop: Stax:
Soulsville U.S.A (HBO//Max) Special Guest: Peter S. Goodman.

Nov 7, 2024 • 57min
Episode 204: Making New Worlds w/ Aida Mariam Davis
Philip welcomes writer/scholar Aida Mariam Davis to discuss her latest book Kindred Creation: Parables and Paradigms for Freedom.
In their wide ranging conversation they explore how building ties of kinship and surfacing varying knowledge systems can make new worlds possible.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sunny (Apple TV)
Aida’s Drop:
Soldier: A Poet’s Childhood – June Jordan Special Guest: Aida Mariam Davis.

Oct 31, 2024 • 53min
Episode 203: Leadership & Making a Masterpiece w/ Charles Spinosa
Philip welcome Charles Spinosa, author Leadership As Masterpiece Creation to The Deep Dive. In their conversation, they discuss what it means to be a leader, how we organize ourselves and what it looks like when masterpiece language and thinking applies itself to our work.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
SupaCell (Netflix)
Charles’s Drop:
Eve of St. Crispin’s Day (Speech – Youtube) Special Guest: Charles Spinosa.

Oct 24, 2024 • 1h 2min
Episode 202: Solving the Climate Crisis w/ John Berger
In this episode of The Deep Dive, Philip welcomes John Berger, the author of Solving the Climate Crisis. In this conversation, they examine the growing climate emergency against ongoing global movements to stem the tide and reverse course.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Design for the Real World – Victor Papanek
John’s Drop: Get Involved!

Oct 17, 2024 • 50min
Episode 201: Wrestling with Gender & Leadership w/ Susan Madsen
Philip welcomes researcher and author Susan Madsen to the show. In their conversation, they explore her new book focused on gender and leadership and dissect the consistent myths and impediments to women led leadership.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Becoming bell hooks (PBS)
Susan’s Drop:
Handbook of Research on Gender & Leadership 2nd edition Special Guest: Susan Madsen.
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