
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Apr 17, 2025 • 1h 9min
Episode 220: Research for Designers w/ Gjoko Muratovski
Gjoko Muratovski, editor of 'Research for Designers: A Guide to Methods and Practices,' discusses the evolution of design research and its critical role in tackling global challenges. He emphasizes curiosity as a driving force for innovation, advocating for human-centric strategies in design. The conversation delves into the misinterpretations of design thinking in business and underscores the value of ethnographic research. Reflecting on the Challenger disaster, Gjoko critiques decision-making failures, urging a focus on improving life on Earth.

Mar 27, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 219: The Rise of the Alt-Reich w/ Nafeez Ahmed
Philip welcomes Nafeez Ahmed, author of Alt Reich: The Network War to Destroy the West From Within to the show. In their conversation they discuss the rise of the modern right and how the legacy of fascism forms the foundation for their ideology.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Knick (Max)
Hitler’s American Model: United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law – James Q. Whitman
Nafeez’s Drop:
Foundation (Apple+)
Dave Troy – America 2.0
Jim Stewartson – Mind-War
Planetary Phase Shift paper – Nafeez Ahmed

Mar 20, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 218: The Dao of Complexity w/Dr. Jean Boulton
Philip welcomes Dr. Jean Boulton, author of The Dao of Complexity to the show. In this episode they discuss the myriad ways in which the philosophy of Dao connects to complexity. In their wide ranging conversation, they tackle physics, philosophy and how as beings we are more than any singular “thing”
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Orbital – Samantha Harvey
Jean’s Drop:
Zero Day (Netflix)
Piranesi – Susanna Clarke

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Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 217: Complexity & Organizations w/ Chris Mowles
Chris Mowles, a Professor of Complexity and Management at Hertfordshire Business School, dives into the intricate world of organizational complexity. He explains why complexity is increasingly relevant today and how consultants grapple with unpredictable challenges. Mowles critiques individualism and promotes a nuanced understanding of power dynamics in management. The conversation also highlights the significance of adaptability in complex environments, interspersed with personal reflections on jazz aesthetics and modern television narratives.

Mar 6, 2025 • 1h 12min
Episode 216: Collapse, Trauma and Solidarity w/Ginie Servant-Miklos & Pamela Armitage
Philip welcomes Ginie Servant-Miklos author of Pedagogies of Collapse and Pamela Armitage, Chief Impact Officer at Studium Violentiae and Violence Prevention, Trauma and Defense Educator to the show to discuss the specific ways that trauma acts on and reinforces challenges to solidarity.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Eyes of the Prize (MAX/PBS)
Columbus & Other Cannibals – Jack D. Forbes
Ginie’s Drop:
The work of G.D.H Cole
https://www.hetwebsite.net/het/profiles/cole.htm
Pamela’s Drop:
Braiding Sweetgrass – Robin Wall Kimmerer
Works of David Lynch
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/Special Guest: Ginie Servant-Miklos .

Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 215: Just Enough Is Not The Minimum w/Erika Hall
Philip welcomes back designer and author of “Just Enough Research” Erika Hall to the show to discuss how “just enough” is a bigger concept than you think and how design and research play pivotal roles in how we shape and think about the world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: River
Sing Me Home – Eleanor Shearer
Erika’s Drop:
The Big Book of Cyberpunk edited by Jared Shurin
KEXP – FM Special Guest: Erika Hall.

Feb 20, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 214: Survival is a Promise w/Alexis Pauline Gumbs
Philip welcomes poet/writer Alexis Pauline Gumbs to the show to discuss her book Survival Is A Promise: The Eternal Life of Audre Lorde, a biography of poet, writer, educatpr Audre Lorde. In their conversation, they explore Audre Lorde’s like, work and legacy and the incredible resonance she continues to have to generations of thinkers and explorers.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Line of Duty (Prime)
Alexis’s Drop:
Blink Twice Special Guest: Alexis Pauline Gumbs.

Feb 13, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 213: The Aftermath w/ Soraya Chemaly, Aida Mariam Davis, & Stephanie Luce
Philip welcomes three dynamic former guests of The Deep Dive to discuss the aftermath of our most recent election and the current mood and potential working strategies to create conditions for viable alternative(s) to the current social, economic and political models.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Mr. Loverman – Bernardine Evaristo
Soraya’s Drop:
Martyr! – Kaveh Akbar
Aida’s Drop:
The Contract with Black America – Tavis Smiley
Stephanie’s Drop:
Everything is Possible – Joseph Fronczak Special Guests: Aida Mariam Davis, Soraya Chemaly, and Stephanie Luce.

Feb 6, 2025 • 1h 7min
Episode 212: Multisolving in a Fractured World w/ Dr. Elizabeth Sawin
Philip welcomes Dr. Elizabeth Sawin the author of Multisolving: Creating Systems Change in a Fractured World. Their conversation covers how myriad and overlapping problems require a drastically different approach.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Deluge – Stephen Markley
Elizabeths Drop:
https://www.edx.org/certificates/professional-certificate/wisconsinx-psychology-of-deep-resilience

Jan 30, 2025 • 1h 4min
Episode 211: Welcome to the Creative Club w/ Pia Leichter
Philip welcomes Pia Leichter, founder of the Kollektiv Studio and author of Welcome to the Creative Club. In our conversation, we explore what it means to be creative and the implications when we expand its meaning and importance.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Creature Commandos (Max)
Pia’s Drop:
I Do Everything I’m Told – Megan Fernandes Special Guest: Pia Leichter.
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