
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Sep 16, 2021 • 59min
Episode 77: Sustainability as Usual is Dead: A Conversation w/ Raz Godelnik
In this conversation, Philip talks to Raz Godelnik, Assistant Professor of Strategic Design and Management at Parsons School of Design and author of Rethinking Corporate Sustainability in the Era of Climate Crisis: A Strategic Design Approach. In their conversation they discuss the current crisis climate and how the current narratives encourage “sustainability as usual” and what could be done about changing the story.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Blonde Roots – Bernardine Evaristo
Raz’s Drop: Sapiens: A Graphic History – Yuval Noah Harari
Raz’s Medium page
Book launch event Special Guest: Raz Godelnik.

Sep 9, 2021 • 1h 5min
Episode 76: Mapping Abundance for a Planetary Future: A Conversation w/ Prof. Candace Fujikane
In this conversation, Philip talks to Prof. Candace Fujikane the author of Mapping Abundance for a Planetary Future. In their conversation Philip and Candace discuss how maps are used in service to the colonial settler project, the implications for the movement for Hawaiian sovereignty and how abundance must be centered for a planetary future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
All things Sade
Candace’s Drop:
A Nation Rising: Hawaiian Movements for Life, Land, and Sovereignty Special Guest: Prof. Candace Fujikane.

Aug 26, 2021 • 1h 9min
Episode 75: How to Thrive in a World in Flux: A Conversation w/April Rinne
In this conversation, Philip talks to April Rinne, leading futurist and author of Flux: 8 Superpowers For Thriving In Constant Change. Philip and April dissect how we think about change, our relationship to time and how to define and use the “Flux” mindset.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
All things Anita Baker
April’s Drop:
Mr. Flux – Kyo MacLear
FLUX playlistSpecial Guest: April Rinne.

Aug 19, 2021 • 59min
Episode 74: Rogue Waves and Radical Change: A Conversation w/Jonathan Brill
In this conversation, Philip talks to Jonathan Brill, author of Rogue Waves and Managing Director at Resilient Growth Partners. Philip and Jonathan discuss the thought process behind rogue waves and how recognizing hard to fathom shifts could prepare your organization for the future.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
*Philip’s Drop: *Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to India – Shashi Tharoor
Jonathan’s Drop: Against the Gods: The Remarkable Story of Risk Peter L. Bernstein
The Price of Peace: Money, Democracy and the Life of John Maynard Keynes
The Chef’s Garden: A Modern Guide to Common and Unusual VegetablesSpecial Guest: Jonathan Brill.

Jul 29, 2021 • 1h 1min
Episode 73: Black Protest, Sports and The Kaepernick Effect: A Conversation w/ Dave Zirin
In this conversation, Philip talks to Dave Zirin, Sports Editor at The Nation Magazine and the author of The Kaepernick Effect. Philip and Dave discuss his new book and how Colin Kaepernick’s protest forms a bridge between the social activism of the past and a new generation of athletes using protests to shine the light on injustice.
*The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings. *
Philip’s Drop: Under the Influence of Giants – Self Titled
Dave’s Drop: Don Scavone “Willie On Glock” Special Guest: Dave Zirin.

Jul 22, 2021 • 58min
Episode 72: Making Community and Seeking Serenity: A Conversation w/Amanda Enayati
In this conversation, Philip talks to Amanda Enayati, a culture strategist and
author, and founder and CEO of The Coherence Lab. They talk about Amanda’s book Seeking Serenity and how it wrestles with anxiety as well as the power of seeking community and what that means to our identity.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Something the Lord Made
Available via HBO Max
Amanda’s Drop: Star Trek Discovery
Langston Hughes “Harlem”Special Guest: Amanda Enayati.

Jul 8, 2021 • 1h 2min
Episode 71: Anthropologists Wanted: A Conversation w/Walter Faaij
In this conversation, Philip talks to corporate anthropologist, sustainability consultant and author of Anthropologists Wanted, Walter Faaij. Philip and Walter discuss the importance of anthropology and a discipline in making sense of an increasingly complex world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Exterminate All the Brutes – director Raoul Peck
Available via HBO Max (domestically)
Review
Walter’s Drop: The Shepherd’s Life: Modern Dispatches from an Ancient Landscape by James RebanksSpecial Guest: Walter Faaij.

Jun 24, 2021 • 1h 3min
Episode 70: The Pitfalls and Promise of Innovation w/Mordecai
In this conversation, Philip talks to Global Innovation Leader, Adwoman & Activist Mordecai. Mordecai and Philip discuss the pitfalls and promise of innovation, the industry landscape and the power in culture and abolition movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment to Calculation by Joseph Weizenbaum
Mordecai’s Drop: Kae Tempest
Kae Tempest – On ConnectionSpecial Guest: Mordecai.

Jun 18, 2021 • 58min
Episode 69: The Black Wealth Gap and the Case for Reparations – A Conversation with Prof. William A. (Sandy) Darity
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Prof. Sandy Darity, the Samuel DuBois Cook Professor of Public Policy, African and African American Studies, and Economics at Duke University . Prof. Darity is one of the foremost experts on the Black wealth gap and reparations and he and Philip discuss the economic and historical case for reparations and it’s effect on the trajectory of the country.
Prof. Darity holds a Ph.D. in economics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and has published or edited 13 books and more than 250 articles in professional journals. His newest book coauthored with Kirsten Mullen, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the 21st Century, is available from the University of North Carolina Press.
The Drop – The segment of the show were both Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Lathe of Heaven – Ursula K. Le Guin
Prof. Darity’s Drop:
The Black Jacobins – C.L.R James
Capitalism & Slavery - Eric Williams
Black Reconstruction In America – W.E.B Dubois Special Guest: Prof. William A. Darity.

Jun 10, 2021 • 57min
Episode 68: Trends, Signals and Culture w/Livia Fioretti
In this conversation, Philip talks to Livia Fioretti, Head of Global Insight Network of Trendwatching. In this conversation Phil and Livia discuss her journey from Brazil to Spain, the distinction of trends, signals and culture and how living in the future is a default setting.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Azadi: Freedom. Fascism. Fiction. – Arundhati Roy
Sound of Metal
Livia’s Drop: Invisible CitySpecial Guest: Livia Fioretti .