
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Jun 3, 2021 • 1h 4min
Episode 67: The State of the Future w/ Puruesh Chaudhary
In this conversation, Philip talks to Puruesh Chaudhary Founder and President of AGAHI, a non-governmental organization, which works extensively on creating
shared spaces for interactive learning, collaborative thinking and knowledge sharing. Puruesh and Philip discuss the need for a dramatic “new think”, how do we think about transitions and asking big 22nd century questions.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Zero (Netflix)
Puruesh’s Drop: Evolution in Four Dimensions – Eva Jablonka and Marion J. LambSpecial Guest: Puruesh Chaudhary.

May 20, 2021 • 55min
Episode 66: Decolonized Design and Belonging, Dignity and Justice w/Aida Mariam Davis
In this conversation, Philip talks to Aida Mariam Davis, Founder of Decolonized Design. They discuss how DEI continues to fall short of driving progress and introduces Decolonized Design’s framework of Belonging, Dignity and Justice (BDJ).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Ethnographic Thinking: From Method to Mindset – Jay Hasbrouck
Aida’s Drop: Sisters of the Yam – bell hooks
The Cancer Journals – Audre Lorde
June Jordan (assorted works)
Nikki Giovanni (assorted works)
Parable of the Sower – Octavia ButlerSpecial Guest: Aida Mariam Davis .

May 13, 2021 • 1h 1min
Episode 65: Subcultures, NFTs, & Culture: A Conversation w/Tim Stock
In this conversation, Philip talks to Tim Stock, co-founder of scenarioDNA. In this episode they discuss whether in today’s climate it is possible for subcultures to exist, the absurdity of NFTs and general musings on culture.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Harley Quinn (animated)
Tim’s Drop: NomadlandSpecial Guest: Tim Stock.

May 6, 2021 • 1h 4min
Episode 64: Searching for a Global Collective Intelligence: A Conversation w/Francesca Birks
In this conversation, Philip talks w/Francesca Birks, Woods Bagot’s Global Insight Leader. Philip and Francesca discuss how a foresight practice is a necessary and essential part of understanding both our present and our future. How should practioners think about foresight in terms of people, power and culture?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Harvard Business Review
Stanford Social Innovation Review
Francesca’s Drop: The Ezra Klein Show
Margaret Atwood – DearlySpecial Guest: Francesca Birks.

Apr 29, 2021 • 1h 8min
Episode 63: Capacity to Decolonize: A Conversation w/ FEUKEU Kwamou Eva
In this conversation, Philip talks with Feukeu Kwamou Eva, Project Officer and Africa coordinator for Futures Literacy at UNESCO. Philip and Eva discuss the meaning of decolonization as a means of understanding the future. How does the work of decolonization and better understanding the past determine effective future insights work? How does anticipation for the future and for emergence effect our journey of imagination?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Jamaica Kinkaid- A Small Place
Thomas King – The Truth About Stories
Eva’s Drop: Ai Tché Do Nu Mi – Latedjou

Apr 22, 2021 • 1h 4min
Episode 62: Speculation, Truth and Technological Fantasy: A Conversation w/ Sun-ha Hong
In this conversation, Philip talks Sun-ha Hong, the author of Technologies of Speculation. Philip and Sun-ha discuss the mythologies and stories we tell about not just technology but truth itself. How does this impact the society we live in and in turn reinforce various inequalities?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Mad Men
Sun-ha’s Drop: Losing Pravda - Natalia RoudakovaSpecial Guest: Sun-ha Hong.

Apr 8, 2021 • 1h 10min
Episode 61: Identity and Distributed Blackness: A Conversation w/Dr. Andre Brock Jr.
In this conversation, Philip talks with Dr. Andre Brock Jr. the author of Distributed Blackness: African American Cybercultures. In their conversation, they discuss the history of Blackness online, Blackness as an informational identity and the promise of a libidinal perspective.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Nomadland
Andre’s Drop: Black Futures – Jenna Wortham//Kimberly Drew
Marvel’s Spider Man: Miles Morales

Apr 1, 2021 • 55min
Episode 60: Thinking about Limits and Degrowth: A Conversation w/Giorgos Kallis
In this conversation, Philip talks with Giorgos Kallis, author of Limits and The Case for Degrowth. The two take on the inherent contradictions of financial and social world built on infinite growth against the reality of a natural world that can’t support this notion. They take on the meaning of limits and what degrowth offers toward a viable future(s)
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: We Do Thus “Til We Free Us – Mariame Kaba
Giorgos’s Drop: Caetano Veloso – “Um Indio”
The Dispossessed – Ursula K Le GuinSpecial Guest: Giorgos Kallis.

Mar 25, 2021 • 1h 3min
Episode 59: Thinking about BlackSpace: A Conversation w/ Kenyatta McLean (she/her/hers) and Emma Osore (she/her/hers)
In this conversation, Philip talks with co-founders of the BlackSpace Urbanist Collective. They discuss their origin story as a collective, their mission and their BlackSpace manifesto organizing document and how that radically informs the organizational ordering and mission.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Seeing Like a State by James C. Scott
Emma’s Drop: We Wanted a Revolution: Black Radical Women, 1965–85
Black Lives 1900: W.E.B. Du Bois at the Paris Exposition
Kenyatta’s Drop: Black Futures by Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham
Joshua Tree

Mar 18, 2021 • 48min
Episode 58: Sensuous Knowledge: A Conversation w/Minna Salami
In this conversation, Philip talks Mina Salami, the author of Sensuous Knowledge: A Black Feminist Approach for Everyone. They discuss the foundation and meaning of sensuous knowledge and how this perspective moves in a world burdened with many “isms”. How do we think about our current systems and are using the “Masters’ tools” possible?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: A moment in music history w/UK artist and a healthy mix of hip hop.
Brand New Heavies
Guru’s Jazzmatazz
Jamiroquai
Minna’s Drop: Milo Imagines the World by Matt De La Pena illustrated by Christian Robinson