

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Apr 22, 2021 • 1h 4min
Episode 62: Speculation, Truth and Technological Fantasy: A Conversation w/ Sun-ha Hong
In this conversation, Philip talks Sun-ha Hong, the author of Technologies of Speculation. Philip and Sun-ha discuss the mythologies and stories we tell about not just technology but truth itself. How does this impact the society we live in and in turn reinforce various inequalities?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Mad Men
Sun-ha’s Drop: Losing Pravda - Natalia RoudakovaSpecial Guest: Sun-ha Hong.

Apr 8, 2021 • 1h 10min
Episode 61: Identity and Distributed Blackness: A Conversation w/Dr. Andre Brock Jr.
In this conversation, Philip talks with Dr. Andre Brock Jr. the author of Distributed Blackness: African American Cybercultures. In their conversation, they discuss the history of Blackness online, Blackness as an informational identity and the promise of a libidinal perspective.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Nomadland
Andre’s Drop: Black Futures – Jenna Wortham//Kimberly Drew
Marvel’s Spider Man: Miles Morales

Apr 1, 2021 • 55min
Episode 60: Thinking about Limits and Degrowth: A Conversation w/Giorgos Kallis
In this conversation, Philip talks with Giorgos Kallis, author of Limits and The Case for Degrowth. The two take on the inherent contradictions of financial and social world built on infinite growth against the reality of a natural world that can’t support this notion. They take on the meaning of limits and what degrowth offers toward a viable future(s)
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: We Do Thus “Til We Free Us – Mariame Kaba
Giorgos’s Drop: Caetano Veloso – “Um Indio”
The Dispossessed – Ursula K Le GuinSpecial Guest: Giorgos Kallis.

Mar 25, 2021 • 1h 3min
Episode 59: Thinking about BlackSpace: A Conversation w/ Kenyatta McLean (she/her/hers) and Emma Osore (she/her/hers)
In this conversation, Philip talks with co-founders of the BlackSpace Urbanist Collective. They discuss their origin story as a collective, their mission and their BlackSpace manifesto organizing document and how that radically informs the organizational ordering and mission.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Seeing Like a State by James C. Scott
Emma’s Drop: We Wanted a Revolution: Black Radical Women, 1965–85
Black Lives 1900: W.E.B. Du Bois at the Paris Exposition
Kenyatta’s Drop: Black Futures by Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham
Joshua Tree

Mar 18, 2021 • 48min
Episode 58: Sensuous Knowledge: A Conversation w/Minna Salami
In this conversation, Philip talks Mina Salami, the author of Sensuous Knowledge: A Black Feminist Approach for Everyone. They discuss the foundation and meaning of sensuous knowledge and how this perspective moves in a world burdened with many “isms”. How do we think about our current systems and are using the “Masters’ tools” possible?
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: A moment in music history w/UK artist and a healthy mix of hip hop.
Brand New Heavies
Guru’s Jazzmatazz
Jamiroquai
Minna’s Drop: Milo Imagines the World by Matt De La Pena illustrated by Christian Robinson

Mar 11, 2021 • 45min
Episode 57: Creating a Culture of Innovation: A Conversation w/Alexandra Deschamps-Sonsino
In this conversation, Philip talks to internet of things expert and designer Alexandra Deschamps-Sonsino. They discuss her new book Creating a Culture of Innovation and explore how we create physical spaces that are meant to foster innovation and how that process is inevitably shaped by our culture and values.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Big Love, HBO series
Alexandra’s Drop: Going to Meet the Man – James BaldwinSpecial Guest: Alexandra Deschamps-Sonsino.

Mar 4, 2021 • 55min
Episode 56: Hitting The Motherlode: A Conversation w/ Clover Hope
In this conversation, Philip talks to Brooklyn-based writer and editor Clover Hope. They discuss her new book The Motherlode: 100+ Women Who Made Hip Hop” and the social, cultural and historical realities within the world of hip hop that have been both influenced by and in turn shaped the power of women who rap.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Queen Latifah “Black Reign”
Clover’s Drop: Nikki D “Daddy’s Little Girl”Special Guest: Clover Hope.

Feb 25, 2021 • 48min
Episode 55: Cancel Culture, Accountability & How We Forgive w/Lina Srivastava and Mia White
In this conversation, Philip talks to leading thinkers, Lina Srivastava and Mia Charlene White. The trio wrestle with the meaning and validity of cancel culture and the connective tissue of accountability, anger and forgiveness.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Outkast Aquemini
Lina’s Drop: Intimations – Zadie Smith
Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men – Caroline Criado-Perez
Data Feminism – Catherine D’Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein
Mia’s Drop: Collective Courage – Jessica Gordon Nembhard
Abolition Geography – Ruth Wilson GilmoreSpecial Guests: Lina Srivastava and Mia White.

Feb 18, 2021 • 54min
Episode 54: Creating the Future with Foresight: A Conversation w/Josef Hargrave
In this conversation, Philip talks to Global Foresight Leader, Arup, Josef Hargrave. In their conversation, Philip and Josef discuss the value of foresight as a practice within organizations, how to build speculative muscle and how do we account for context and nuance in the foresight process.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Bartees Strange
Josef’s Drop: Entangled Life by Merlin SheldrakeSpecial Guest: Josef Hargrave.

Feb 11, 2021 • 52min
Episode 53: Hyping the Hype Handbook: A Conversation w/Michael F. Schein
In this conversation, Philip talks to the author of The Hype Handbook, Michael F. Schein. They discuss his new book and what he has learned from studying the principles, practices, pros and cons of those who practice the craft of hype.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: All About Love by bell hooks
Michael’s Drop: History Has Begun: The Birth of a New America by Bruno MacaesSpecial Guest: Michael F. Schein.