
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Nov 22, 2021 • 56min
Episode 87: Tending the Chef’s Garden: A Conversation w/Farmer Lee Jones
In this conversation, Philip talks to Farmer Lee Jones, the owner of the Jones family farm and author of The Chef’s Garden cookbook. The discuss his family’s journey in farming, adapting and using regenerative techniques to tend to the soil and grow bountiful crops and the importance of looking back to find new innovations.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: In The Mood for Love
Farmer Lee Jones’s Drop: The Grapes of Wrath Special Guest: Lee Jones.

Nov 18, 2021 • 1h 5min
Episode 86: Welcome to the Raging 2020s: A Conversation w/ Alec Ross
In this conversation, Philip talks to New York Times bestselling author and former Senior Advisor for Innovation to the Secretary of State during the Obama administration Alec Ross. Philip and Alec discuss his new book The Raging 2020s and what growing unrest and anger means for the decade ahead and beyond.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Only Murders in the Building (available via Hulu)
Hip Hop at the End of the World Ernest Paniccioli -
Alec’s Drop: The Leopard Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa Special Guest: Alec Ross.

Nov 11, 2021 • 55min
Episode 85: Talking About Nice White Ladies: A Conversation w/ Jessie Daniels
In this conversation, Philip talks to Jessie Daniels, the author of White Lies and the new book Nice White Ladies: The Truth about White Supremacy, Our Role in It, and How We Can Help Dismantle It. Over the course of the show they wrestle with the historical legacy of white supremacy, gender and its present day manifestation via white feminism, Karen’s and more.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: What We Do In the Shadows
Jessie’s Drop: We’re Here
Nicole Sealey “Legendary (1)” Special Guest: Jessie Daniels.

Nov 4, 2021 • 1h 5min
Episode 84: Shoutin’ in the Fire: A Conversation w/Dante Stewart
In this conversation, Philip talks to author, scholar and speaker Dante Stewart. They dissect Dante’s work Shoutin’ in the Fire and trace his personal journey through church, identity and race and the broader messages for Blackness and America.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Video Music Box --->
Video Music Box Wikipedia
Whoudini – Five Minutes of Funk
Dante’s Drop: Words of wisdom for creators and writers

Oct 28, 2021 • 1h 5min
Episode 83: Rethinking Nostalgia and Organizing the Future: A Conversation w/ Anjali Enjeti
In this conversation, Philip talks to journalist, author and organizer Anjali Enjeti. They discuss the power and potential in community organizing, the corrosive nostalgia of the South and why we have to build multi-racial coalitions in opposition to empire.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Blood In The Water – Heather Ann Thompson
Anjali’s Drop: My Name is Pauli Murray Special Guest: Anjali Enjeti .

Oct 21, 2021 • 59min
Episode 82: Our Malady and On Tyranny Revisited: A Conversation w/Timothy Snyder
In this conversation, Philip talks to Prof. Timothy Snyder and discuss his new book On Malady and revisit the themes of On Tyranny. They dissect the lack of freedom in modern American life and explore the themes of health, wellness and how to build a better future.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: My Name is Pauli Murray
Songs in a Weary Throat – Pauli Murray
Timonthy’s Drop: America On Fire – Elizabeth Hinton Special Guest: Timothy Snyder.

Oct 14, 2021 • 56min
Episode 81: The Promise of Jam Cultures: A Conversation w/ Jitske Kramer
In this conversation, Philip talks to corporate anthropologist and author of Jam Cultures and Corporate Tribe, Jitske Kramer. They breakdown the meaning of Jam Cultures and how the concepts play out in real life. They also explore the merit of anthropology to understand corporate culture.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Arlo Parks – Collasped in Sunbeams
Jitske’s Drop: The Good Ancestor - Roman Krznaric

Oct 7, 2021 • 59min
Episode 80: Project Inkblot and Reimaging Design: A Conversation w/Boyuan Gao and Jahan Mantin
In this conversation, Philip talks to Boyuan Gao and Jahan Mantin, the co-founders of Project Inkblot a design education consultancy that partners with companies to build equitable products, services, and content. They discuss their origin story, what motivates them to re-think design, how they built their Design for Diversity (D4D) model and why designing “with” rather than “for” is a revolutionary act.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Metaphors We Live By – George Lakoff & Mark Johnson
Boyuan’s Drop: Omar S
Jahan’s Drop: Luster – Raven Leilani Special Guests: Boyuan Gao and Jahan Mantin.

Sep 30, 2021 • 60min
Episode 79: A City Is Not a Computer: A Conversation w/ Shannon Mattern
In this conversation, Philip talks to Shannon Mattern, professor of anthropology at the New School for Social Research and the author of A City is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences. In their conversation Philip and Shannon discuss the legacy of mechanical metaphors and how they influence the way we think about cities and the people who live in them.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
All Things Bill Withers
Shannon’s Drop:
Pollution is Colonialism – Max Liboiron
Walking Special Guest: Shannon Mattern.

Sep 23, 2021 • 1h 6min
Episode 78: Strategic Doing as a Practice; A Conversation w/ Ed Morrison
In this conversation, Philip talks to Ed Morrison, author of Strategic Doing: Ten Skills of Agile Leadership. Ed is also director of the Agile Strategy Lab at the University of North Alabama. In their conversation they discuss the origins of strategic doing, how it is applied in practical terms, their new work in Ecuador and how strategic doing can build collaboration toward a better future.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Jay-Z – The Blueprint
Dr. Foster
Available to view via Netflix
Ed’s Drop: Another Thin Man (based on original work by Dashiell Hammett)
DataStory by Nancy Duarte Special Guest: Ed Morrison.