

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Mar 24, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 102: Cynefin, Sense Making & Complexity: A Conversation w/Dave Snowden
Discover the origins of the Cynefin Framework and its impact on complex problem-solving. Dive into ideological differences and the power of storytelling. Explore navigating complexity in a changing world and the interplay of knowledge and wisdom. Reflect on abolitionist language and societal transformation. Delve into food cultures and expand your culinary horizons.

Mar 17, 2022 • 54min
Episode 101: How we Think About Strategy: A Conversation w/Eliza Yvette Esquivel
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Eliza Yvette Esquivel, Chief Strategy Officer, Barbarian. They discuss the various ways organizations use strategy, how do we discern a good strategy from a bad strategy and how do we deepen and broaden the practice while remaining relevant.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
New York Public Library
Eliza’s Drop:
Forest Park, Queens, NY

Mar 11, 2022 • 1h 12min
Episode 100: The Rise of Davos Man: A Conversation w/ Peter S. Goodman
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Peter S. Goodman, author of Davos Man: How Billionaires Devoured the World. In their conversation they discuss the creation of “Davos Man” and what this construct means for the growing power and reach of the billionaire class and the implications for the rest of us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Betty Davis – They Say I’m Different (Amazon Prime)
Alanis Morissette – Jagged Little Pill
Peter’s Drop:
The Line (podcast) Special Guest: Peter S. Goodman.

Mar 10, 2022 • 1h 6min
Episode 99: The Next Billion Users: A Conversation w/ Payal Arora
In this conversation, Philip spends time with digital anthropologist and author Payal Arora. They discuss her book The Next Billion Users and what this transformational digital and technological shift will mean to the world around us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Sex Lives of College Girls (HBO Max)
Payal’s Drop:
Rest of World
99% Invisible Special Guest: Payal Arora.

Mar 3, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 98: The World Doesn’t Need More Designers: A Conversation w/ Ruben Pater
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Ruben Pater, author of Caps Lock and the Politics of Design. Philip and Ruben discuss his latest book Caps Lock and how design plays a central role in normalizing capitalist institutions and thinking and why the world doesn’t need more designers.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Expanse (Amazon Prime)
Ruben’s Drop:
Octavia Butler
The Dispossessed – Ursula K LeGuin

Feb 24, 2022 • 53min
Episode 97: Trusting in AI..or Do We?:A Conversation w/Dr. Helga Nowotny
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Dr. Helga Nowotny, Professor emerita of Science and Technology Studies, ETH Zurich and Former President European Research Council. They discuss her most recent book In AI We Trust and how this new technology manifest itself in an increasingly complex world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Miles Davis – Kind of Blue
Bonobo – Fragments
Helga’s Drop:
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
20 Essential Mozart Recordings Special Guest: Dr. Helga Nowotny.

Feb 17, 2022 • 51min
Episode 96: Walk With Me & Fannie Lou Hamer: A Conversation w/Kate Clifford Larson
In this conversation, Philip talks with historian and author Kate Clifford Larson author of Walk With Me: A Biography of Fannie Lou Hamer. They discuss Fannie Lou Hamer’s expansive legacy as a civil rights leader and what lessons we can learn from her life and her activism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
When The Dust Settles (via Topic)
Kate’s Drop:
Eyes On the Prize (HBO Max)
Freedom Summer (American Experience/PBS)

Feb 10, 2022 • 46min
Episode 95: White Philanthropy and An American Dilemna w/Dr. Maribel Morey
In this episode, Philip talks to Dr. Maribel Morey, author of White Philanthropy: Carnegie Corporation’s An American Dilemna and the Making of a White World Order. In their conversation they explore the role that the Carnegie Corporation has played in shaping Western ideals around philanthropy and how white supremacy has been foundational in this history and why it matters.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
West Side Story (1961)
West Side Story (medley) – Buddy Rich
Maribel’s Drop:
El Burrito Sabanero
Black Marxism – Cedric J. Robinson Special Guest: Dr. Maribel Morey.

Feb 3, 2022 • 54min
Episode 94: Living In Dilla Time: A Conversation w/Dan Charnas
In this conversation, Philip talks to author//lecturer Dan Charnas about his new book Dilla Time, the biography of artist/producer J. Dilla. They discuss the impact of J. Dilla on music globally and how his innovations impacted pop culture and changed the course of music.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Organized Konfusion
Dan’s Drop: Slum Village, Fan-Tas-Tic Vol 2.
Dilla Time Listening GuideSpecial Guest: Dan Charnas.

Jan 27, 2022 • 1h 8min
Episode 93: Deep Hope & The Big How: A Conversation w/ Indy Johar
In this conversation, Philip talks to long time friend of the show Indy Johar. Indy Johar is an architect, co-founder of 00 (project00.cc) and most recently Dark Matter, Studio Master at AA.
Indy and Philip spend time reflecting on 2021 and looking forward to 2022 and the necessity for us to foster deep hope and build a society based on care. Indy shares his vision for what he calls “The Big How” and what it means for the emerging future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
My Name (Netflix)
Red Oaks (Amazon Prime)
Indy’s Drop:
Children of Men
The Dawn Of Everything – David Graeber & David Wengrow Special Guest: Indy Johar.