
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Feb 24, 2022 • 53min
Episode 97: Trusting in AI..or Do We?:A Conversation w/Dr. Helga Nowotny
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Dr. Helga Nowotny, Professor emerita of Science and Technology Studies, ETH Zurich and Former President European Research Council. They discuss her most recent book In AI We Trust and how this new technology manifest itself in an increasingly complex world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Miles Davis – Kind of Blue
Bonobo – Fragments
Helga’s Drop:
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
20 Essential Mozart Recordings Special Guest: Dr. Helga Nowotny.

Feb 17, 2022 • 51min
Episode 96: Walk With Me & Fannie Lou Hamer: A Conversation w/Kate Clifford Larson
In this conversation, Philip talks with historian and author Kate Clifford Larson author of Walk With Me: A Biography of Fannie Lou Hamer. They discuss Fannie Lou Hamer’s expansive legacy as a civil rights leader and what lessons we can learn from her life and her activism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
When The Dust Settles (via Topic)
Kate’s Drop:
Eyes On the Prize (HBO Max)
Freedom Summer (American Experience/PBS)

Feb 10, 2022 • 46min
Episode 95: White Philanthropy and An American Dilemna w/Dr. Maribel Morey
In this episode, Philip talks to Dr. Maribel Morey, author of White Philanthropy: Carnegie Corporation’s An American Dilemna and the Making of a White World Order. In their conversation they explore the role that the Carnegie Corporation has played in shaping Western ideals around philanthropy and how white supremacy has been foundational in this history and why it matters.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
West Side Story (1961)
West Side Story (medley) – Buddy Rich
Maribel’s Drop:
El Burrito Sabanero
Black Marxism – Cedric J. Robinson Special Guest: Dr. Maribel Morey.

Feb 3, 2022 • 54min
Episode 94: Living In Dilla Time: A Conversation w/Dan Charnas
In this conversation, Philip talks to author//lecturer Dan Charnas about his new book Dilla Time, the biography of artist/producer J. Dilla. They discuss the impact of J. Dilla on music globally and how his innovations impacted pop culture and changed the course of music.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Organized Konfusion
Dan’s Drop: Slum Village, Fan-Tas-Tic Vol 2.
Dilla Time Listening GuideSpecial Guest: Dan Charnas.

Jan 27, 2022 • 1h 8min
Episode 93: Deep Hope & The Big How: A Conversation w/ Indy Johar
In this conversation, Philip talks to long time friend of the show Indy Johar. Indy Johar is an architect, co-founder of 00 (project00.cc) and most recently Dark Matter, Studio Master at AA.
Indy and Philip spend time reflecting on 2021 and looking forward to 2022 and the necessity for us to foster deep hope and build a society based on care. Indy shares his vision for what he calls “The Big How” and what it means for the emerging future(s).
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
My Name (Netflix)
Red Oaks (Amazon Prime)
Indy’s Drop:
Children of Men
The Dawn Of Everything – David Graeber & David Wengrow Special Guest: Indy Johar.

Dec 30, 2021 • 36min
Episode 92: Solidarity & North Stars - A Conversation for 2022
It is a special end of year episode and Philip is joined by several former guests and friends of The Deep Dive.
Each contributor answers two questions about building solidarity and community and their “North Star” for 2022.
It is an opportunity to listen to a diverse gathering of thinker and leaders sharing their ideas and inspirations as we head into a new year.
Jahan Marin
Lina Srivastava
Anjali Enjeti
Tim Stock
Alberto Barreiro
Ed Morrison
Rebecca Taylor
Francesca Birks
Dowshan Humzah
Marcela Sabino
Sanjay KhannaSpecial Guests: Alberto Barreiro, Anjali Enjeti , Dowshan Humzah, Ed Morrison, Francesca Birks, Jahan Mantin, Lina Srivastava, Marcela Sabino, Rebecca Taylor, Sanjay Khanna , and Tim Stock.

Dec 16, 2021 • 57min
Episode 91: A Life Lived Wild: A Conversation w/ Rick Ridgeway
In this conversation, Philip talks to outdoor adventurer, writer and advocate for sustainability and conservation initiatives Rick Ridegway. Rick is formerly VP of Environmental Affairs and then VP of Public Engagement at Patagonia, Inc. Philip and Rick discuss his new book Life Lived Wild: Adventures at the Edge of the Map and what lessons Rick has learned and in turn shared during his life living deeply with nature and wild spaces.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Beatles Get Back (Disney+)
Rick’s Drop: Letters on Ethics – Seneca Special Guest: Rick Ridgeway.

Dec 9, 2021 • 60min
Episode 90: Rethinking Design & Shaping the Future: A Conversation w/ Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel
In this conversation, Philip talks to Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Assistant Professor, Dept. of Design Studies at North Carolina State. They discuss Dr. Noel’s career, her perspective on design, the need to decolonize the field, and how designers can rethink our current systems and structures.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Long Deep Grudge – Toni Gilpin
Lesley-Ann’s Drop:
Aurora Levins Morales
Medicine Stories
Pluriversal Book Club Special Guest: Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel.

Dec 2, 2021 • 57min
Episode 89: The Promise of Access: A Conversation w/Daniel Greene
In this conversation, Philip talks to Daniel Greene, Assistant Professor of Information Studies at the University of Maryland and the author of The Promise of Access: Technology, Inequality, and the Political Economy of Hope, Philip and Daniel discuss his new book and how our generally accepted ideas about technology as a poverty solve and the digital divide continue to drive our public policy and political imagination.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Seal https://open.spotify.com/artist/5GtMEZEeFFsuHY8ad4kOxv?si=ThtDcoSySgmOtxwZ9GxnfA
Daniel’s Drop: Big Love (HBO/HBO Max) https://www.hbo.com/big-love

Nov 26, 2021 • 55min
Episode 88: The Case for Post Growth: A Conversation w/ Tim Jackson
In this conversation, Philip talks ecological economist and writer Tim Jackson. Tim is the author of Post Growth- Life After Capitalism. Philip and Tim discuss his work against the backdrop of increasing social and financial precarity. They examine how viable future(s) can exist as an alternative to capitalism and what it takes to get there.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Emergence Magazine
Tim’s Drop: Tao Te Ching (A Book About the Way)– Lao Tzu Special Guest: Tim Jackson.