

The Deep Dive
Philip McKenzie
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
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Jun 9, 2022 • 51min
Episode 112: Thinking About the “I” in Human: A Conversation w/Mike Zamarski
Philip spends time with Mike Zamarski, enterpriser, entrepreneur and farmer discussing the seeming conflict between humanity and the human experience in software and technology. They explore the limitations of will power to change our environment, the importance of polyculture and the importance of nuance.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Red Alert! Saving the Planet with Indigenous Knowledge – Daniel Wildcat
https://fulcrum.bookstore.ipgbook.com/red-alert--products-9781555916374.php
Mike’s Drop:
You Can Farm – Joel Salatin

May 19, 2022 • 57min
Episode 111: Reimagining Design: A Conversation w/ Kevin Bethune
Philip spends time with Founder & CCO, dreams * design + life and author of Reimagining Design: Unlocking Strategic Innovation, Kevin Bethune. In this conversation, they cover Kevin’s expansive career in corporate America, the need to connect design to real lived experiences, and the promise of design to create transformational opportunities.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Atlanta (FX + Hulu)
Kevin’s Drop:
Pfife Dawg – Forever

May 12, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 110: Fresh Banana Leaves: A Conversation w/ Dr. Jessica Hernandez
In this conversation, Philip spends time with transnational Indigenous scholar, scientist, and community advocate Dr. Jessica Hernandez. Dr. Hernandez is the author of the recently released Fresh Banana Leaves: Healing Indigenous Landscapes through Indigenous Science. Dr. Hernandez and Philip discuss the intellectual foundations of her book and how we need to change how we think of indigenous people and their global perspective on science and being.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Cleo Sol https://cleo-sol.com/
Jessica’s Drop:

May 5, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 109: Time for Advertisers to Look Out: A Conversation w/ Orlando Wood
In this conversation, Philip talks with Orlando Wood, Chief Innovation Officer of System1 Group and author of Lemon and his most recent Look Out: The Advertising Guide for a World Turned Inwards. They discuss his latest work and how a data centric, left brain focused approach and diminished the impact and magic of advertising.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Leonard Schlain
The Alphabet vs. The Goddess (lecture)
Art & Physics (lecture)
Orlando’s Drop:
Iain McGilchrist
Steven Harrison – Changing the World is the Only Fit Work for a Grown Man Special Guest: Orlando Wood.

Apr 28, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 108: The Commons + The Future: A Conversation w/ David Bollier
In this conversation, Philip spends time with scholar and commons activist David Bollier. They discuss his latest book The Commoner’s Catalog for Changemaking and what are the ways activist and organizer can continue to strengthen the commons as an alternative to late stage extractive capitalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Essential Agrarian Reader: The Future of Culture, Community and The Land – Edited by Norman Wirzba https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/674983/the-essential-agrarian-reader-by-norman-wirzba/
David’s Drop:
How Forests Think – Eduardo Kohn https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520276116/how-forests-thinkSpecial Guest: David Bollier.

Apr 21, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 107: Design for Social Innovation: A Conversation w/ Dr. Mariana Amatullo, Bryan Boyer and Andrew Shea
In this conversation, Philip spends time with three of the editors of the recently released Design for Social Innovation: Case Studies from Around the World. They discuss the origin of the project, how you navigate geographies of power and how design moves from the fringe to replicable models.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo
Marianna’s Drop:
The Power of The Dog (Netflix)
Bryan’s Drop:
LaserWriter II – Tamara Shopsin Special Guests: Andrew Shea, Bryan Boyer , and Dr. Marianna Amatullo.

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 19min
Episode 106: The Black Experience in Design: A Conversation w/ Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Anne H. Berry & June Grant
Philip spends time with Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Anne H. Berry and June Grant who are editors and contributors to the anthology The Black Experience in Design. In their conversation, they discuss the significance of Black Design in the past, present and future, the meaning of neutrality and decolonization and how Black Design challenges the status quo.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sankofa (Netflix)
Lesley’s Drop:
Those Wilds Beyond our Fences Bayo Akomolafe
June’s Drop:
SF Urban Film Festival
Anne’s Drop:
An Ugly truth by Cecilia Kang and Sheera Frenkel Special Guests: Anne H. Berry , Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, and June Grant.

Apr 7, 2022 • 59min
Episode 105: Going Behind Cultivating Leadership: A Conversation w/Jennifer Garvey Berger
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Jennifer Garvey Berger, author of three acclaimed books, Changing on the Job, Simple Habits for Complex Times (co-authored with Keith Johnston), and Unlocking Leadership Mindtraps. They discuss how our complex realities impact the way we think about and develop leadership.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
A Tribe Called Quest
People’s Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
The Low End Theory -
Midnight Marauders -
Jennifer’s Drop:
Einstein’s Dreams – Alan Lightman
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/science/physics-einstein-broadway-lightman.htmlSpecial Guest: Jennifer Garvey Berger.

Apr 4, 2022 • 57min
Episode 104: Called to Reconciliation: A Conversation w/Jay Augustine
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Jonathan “Jay” Augustine, author of Called to Reconciliation. In this episode they discuss the meaning of reconciliation, its connection to the Christian tradition of forgiveness and in turn how these ideas impact modern justice and social movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Middlemarch by George Eliot (Mary Anne Edwards)
Jay’s Drop: Christians Against Christianity by Obery M. Hendricks
Talking About Gumbo

Mar 31, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 103: Just Enough Research: A Conversation w/Erika Hall
In this conversation, Philip talks with Erika Hall, cofounder of Mule Design Studio and the author of Just Enough Research and Conversational Design. They discuss the power of asking better questions, the importance of design research, and what research tells us about the world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Teedra Moses – Complex Simplicity
Erika’s Drop:
Warrior (HBO Max)
Ellen Allien
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Allien