
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Apr 21, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 107: Design for Social Innovation: A Conversation w/ Dr. Mariana Amatullo, Bryan Boyer and Andrew Shea
In this conversation, Philip spends time with three of the editors of the recently released Design for Social Innovation: Case Studies from Around the World. They discuss the origin of the project, how you navigate geographies of power and how design moves from the fringe to replicable models.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo
Marianna’s Drop:
The Power of The Dog (Netflix)
Bryan’s Drop:
LaserWriter II – Tamara Shopsin Special Guests: Andrew Shea, Bryan Boyer , and Dr. Marianna Amatullo.

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 19min
Episode 106: The Black Experience in Design: A Conversation w/ Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Anne H. Berry & June Grant
Philip spends time with Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, Anne H. Berry and June Grant who are editors and contributors to the anthology The Black Experience in Design. In their conversation, they discuss the significance of Black Design in the past, present and future, the meaning of neutrality and decolonization and how Black Design challenges the status quo.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Sankofa (Netflix)
Lesley’s Drop:
Those Wilds Beyond our Fences Bayo Akomolafe
June’s Drop:
SF Urban Film Festival
Anne’s Drop:
An Ugly truth by Cecilia Kang and Sheera Frenkel Special Guests: Anne H. Berry , Dr. Lesley-Ann Noel, and June Grant.

Apr 7, 2022 • 59min
Episode 105: Going Behind Cultivating Leadership: A Conversation w/Jennifer Garvey Berger
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Jennifer Garvey Berger, author of three acclaimed books, Changing on the Job, Simple Habits for Complex Times (co-authored with Keith Johnston), and Unlocking Leadership Mindtraps. They discuss how our complex realities impact the way we think about and develop leadership.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
A Tribe Called Quest
People’s Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm
The Low End Theory -
Midnight Marauders -
Jennifer’s Drop:
Einstein’s Dreams – Alan Lightman
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/science/physics-einstein-broadway-lightman.htmlSpecial Guest: Jennifer Garvey Berger.

Apr 4, 2022 • 57min
Episode 104: Called to Reconciliation: A Conversation w/Jay Augustine
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Jonathan “Jay” Augustine, author of Called to Reconciliation. In this episode they discuss the meaning of reconciliation, its connection to the Christian tradition of forgiveness and in turn how these ideas impact modern justice and social movements.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: Middlemarch by George Eliot (Mary Anne Edwards)
Jay’s Drop: Christians Against Christianity by Obery M. Hendricks
Talking About Gumbo

Mar 31, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 103: Just Enough Research: A Conversation w/Erika Hall
In this conversation, Philip talks with Erika Hall, cofounder of Mule Design Studio and the author of Just Enough Research and Conversational Design. They discuss the power of asking better questions, the importance of design research, and what research tells us about the world.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Teedra Moses – Complex Simplicity
Erika’s Drop:
Warrior (HBO Max)
Ellen Allien
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Allien

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Mar 24, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 102: Cynefin, Sense Making & Complexity: A Conversation w/Dave Snowden
Discover the origins of the Cynefin Framework and its impact on complex problem-solving. Dive into ideological differences and the power of storytelling. Explore navigating complexity in a changing world and the interplay of knowledge and wisdom. Reflect on abolitionist language and societal transformation. Delve into food cultures and expand your culinary horizons.

Mar 17, 2022 • 54min
Episode 101: How we Think About Strategy: A Conversation w/Eliza Yvette Esquivel
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Eliza Yvette Esquivel, Chief Strategy Officer, Barbarian. They discuss the various ways organizations use strategy, how do we discern a good strategy from a bad strategy and how do we deepen and broaden the practice while remaining relevant.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
New York Public Library
Eliza’s Drop:
Forest Park, Queens, NY

Mar 11, 2022 • 1h 12min
Episode 100: The Rise of Davos Man: A Conversation w/ Peter S. Goodman
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Peter S. Goodman, author of Davos Man: How Billionaires Devoured the World. In their conversation they discuss the creation of “Davos Man” and what this construct means for the growing power and reach of the billionaire class and the implications for the rest of us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Betty Davis – They Say I’m Different (Amazon Prime)
Alanis Morissette – Jagged Little Pill
Peter’s Drop:
The Line (podcast) Special Guest: Peter S. Goodman.

Mar 10, 2022 • 1h 6min
Episode 99: The Next Billion Users: A Conversation w/ Payal Arora
In this conversation, Philip spends time with digital anthropologist and author Payal Arora. They discuss her book The Next Billion Users and what this transformational digital and technological shift will mean to the world around us.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Sex Lives of College Girls (HBO Max)
Payal’s Drop:
Rest of World
99% Invisible Special Guest: Payal Arora.

Mar 3, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 98: The World Doesn’t Need More Designers: A Conversation w/ Ruben Pater
In this conversation, Philip spends time with Ruben Pater, author of Caps Lock and the Politics of Design. Philip and Ruben discuss his latest book Caps Lock and how design plays a central role in normalizing capitalist institutions and thinking and why the world doesn’t need more designers.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Expanse (Amazon Prime)
Ruben’s Drop:
Octavia Butler
The Dispossessed – Ursula K LeGuin