
The Deep Dive
The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.
Latest episodes

Jul 14, 2022 • 1h 9min
Episode 116: Decolonizing Wellness w/ Dalia Kinsey
Philip spends time Dalia Kinsey, the author of Decolonizing Wellness. In their conversation, they dissect the challenges and limitations of the wellness industry for people of color and the LGBTQA+ community. They look at the historical roots of our cascading health crisis and how it intersects with racism and capitalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Watership Down (novel) – Richard Adams
Watership Down (original animated movie via HBO Max)
Dalia’s Drop:
Persimmon Takes on Humanity – Christopher Locke Special Guest: Dalia Kinsey.

Jul 7, 2022 • 1h 8min
Episode 115: The Promise of Sacred Civics w/ Dr. Jayne Engle & Dr. Tanya Chung-Tiam-Fook
Philip spends time with Dr. Jayne Engle & Dr. Tanya Chung-Tiam-Fook two of the editors and contributors to Sacred Civics: Building Seven Generation Cities. In the discussion of their new book they explore the meaning of Sacred Civics, how we shift our intellectual and economic thinking to embrace regenerative ideas and what capabilities are possible to unlock with this approach.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Raphael Saadiq – Instant Vintage
Def Leppard – Hysteria
Jayne’s Drop:
How The World Is Passed – Clint Smith
The New Age of Empire – Kehinde Andrews
Tanya’s Drop:
The Native Seed Pod
The Colors Studio Platform Special Guests: Dr. Jayne Engle and Dr. Tanya Chung-Tiam-Fook.

Jun 23, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 114: America’s Great Power Opportunity w/Ali Wyne
Philip spends time with geopolitical expert and author Ali Wyne. In this conversation Philip and Ali discuss his new book America’s Great Power Opportunity and what are the implications of a “great power” struggle between the United States, China and Russia.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: R.F Kuang – The Poppy Wars series
Ali’s Drop: Political Scientist of Note
Stacie Goddard
Tanisha Fazal Special Guest: Ali Wyne.

Jun 16, 2022 • 1h 11min
Episode 113: The Way of Creative Leadership w/ Dr. Anne Stenros
Philip spends time with Dr. Anne Stenros with her second appearance on The Deep Dive. In this episode they discuss Dr. Stenros introduction of Hitoritabi as a way to rethink current leadership models. They breakdown our current meta-narratives and explore how new leadership models can produce better societal outcomes and transform our living environments to Nature Smart City.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop: The Owl House
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8050756/
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Owl_House
Anne’s Drop: Hanakotoba – Japanese Language of Flowers
https://www.tsunagujapan.com/hanakotoba-the-secret-japanese-language-of-flowers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HanakotobaSpecial Guest: Dr. Anne Stenros .

Jun 9, 2022 • 51min
Episode 112: Thinking About the “I” in Human: A Conversation w/Mike Zamarski
Philip spends time with Mike Zamarski, enterpriser, entrepreneur and farmer discussing the seeming conflict between humanity and the human experience in software and technology. They explore the limitations of will power to change our environment, the importance of polyculture and the importance of nuance.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Red Alert! Saving the Planet with Indigenous Knowledge – Daniel Wildcat
https://fulcrum.bookstore.ipgbook.com/red-alert--products-9781555916374.php
Mike’s Drop:
You Can Farm – Joel Salatin

May 19, 2022 • 57min
Episode 111: Reimagining Design: A Conversation w/ Kevin Bethune
Philip spends time with Founder & CCO, dreams * design + life and author of Reimagining Design: Unlocking Strategic Innovation, Kevin Bethune. In this conversation, they cover Kevin’s expansive career in corporate America, the need to connect design to real lived experiences, and the promise of design to create transformational opportunities.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Atlanta (FX + Hulu)
Kevin’s Drop:
Pfife Dawg – Forever

May 12, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 110: Fresh Banana Leaves: A Conversation w/ Dr. Jessica Hernandez
In this conversation, Philip spends time with transnational Indigenous scholar, scientist, and community advocate Dr. Jessica Hernandez. Dr. Hernandez is the author of the recently released Fresh Banana Leaves: Healing Indigenous Landscapes through Indigenous Science. Dr. Hernandez and Philip discuss the intellectual foundations of her book and how we need to change how we think of indigenous people and their global perspective on science and being.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Cleo Sol https://cleo-sol.com/
Jessica’s Drop:

May 5, 2022 • 1h 3min
Episode 109: Time for Advertisers to Look Out: A Conversation w/ Orlando Wood
In this conversation, Philip talks with Orlando Wood, Chief Innovation Officer of System1 Group and author of Lemon and his most recent Look Out: The Advertising Guide for a World Turned Inwards. They discuss his latest work and how a data centric, left brain focused approach and diminished the impact and magic of advertising.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Leonard Schlain
The Alphabet vs. The Goddess (lecture)
Art & Physics (lecture)
Orlando’s Drop:
Iain McGilchrist
Steven Harrison – Changing the World is the Only Fit Work for a Grown Man Special Guest: Orlando Wood.

Apr 28, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 108: The Commons + The Future: A Conversation w/ David Bollier
In this conversation, Philip spends time with scholar and commons activist David Bollier. They discuss his latest book The Commoner’s Catalog for Changemaking and what are the ways activist and organizer can continue to strengthen the commons as an alternative to late stage extractive capitalism.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
The Essential Agrarian Reader: The Future of Culture, Community and The Land – Edited by Norman Wirzba https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/674983/the-essential-agrarian-reader-by-norman-wirzba/
David’s Drop:
How Forests Think – Eduardo Kohn https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520276116/how-forests-thinkSpecial Guest: David Bollier.

Apr 21, 2022 • 1h 2min
Episode 107: Design for Social Innovation: A Conversation w/ Dr. Mariana Amatullo, Bryan Boyer and Andrew Shea
In this conversation, Philip spends time with three of the editors of the recently released Design for Social Innovation: Case Studies from Around the World. They discuss the origin of the project, how you navigate geographies of power and how design moves from the fringe to replicable models.
The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.
Philip’s Drop:
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo
Marianna’s Drop:
The Power of The Dog (Netflix)
Bryan’s Drop:
LaserWriter II – Tamara Shopsin Special Guests: Andrew Shea, Bryan Boyer , and Dr. Marianna Amatullo.