In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Dean Inserra who is the founding and lead pastor of City Church in Tallahassee, FL, and the author of The Unsaved Christian. During their conversation, they discuss the journey of church planting, how to grow in self-awareness, and how to determine if you should go to seminary. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 42: “We are all replaceable and don't need to have a chip on our shoulder.” “I think you need to get seminary out of your system as quickly as possible.” “I had to learn there’s different ways to lead different types of people.” “I think self awareness is everything. On our staff, we call it feel.” “I think everything goes back to how you view God.” “My biggest misconception was that I would have instant credibility with those older than me.” “There’s going to be a lot of guys who are chasing a lot of stuff. Let it come to you instead of going out and looking for it.” “Focus on those who are in front of you, not just what is next.” “Take God really seriously and not yourself.” "I would encourage those in leadership to not read more leadership books than doctrine and theology books." RESOURCES MENTIONED The Unsaved Christian by Dean Inserra Without a Doubt by Dean Inserra The Holiness of God by R.C. Sproul Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Pete Scazzero who was a pastor for 26 years before co-founding Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. Many of us know Pete from reading one of his bestselling books, including The Emotionally Healthy Leader and Emotionally Healthy Spirituality.  During their conversation, they discuss how to become emotionally mature, how to redefine success, and how to create a rule of life. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 41: “Discipling people is hard work. It is very slow work.” “You can’t be spiritually mature unless you are emotionally mature.” “Who you are is way more important than what you do.” “Discipleship is being re-formed by Jesus.” “I think this COVID-19 season is a great opportunity to get retooled by God for the next phase of what he has for you.” “Success is becoming the person God has called you to become and doing what God called you to do. Period.” “I don’t believe it is possible to mature spiritually without some dimension of silence and solitude in your life.” “Maturity isn’t just about talking to God. It is also about listening to God.” “God’s building people, not just organizations.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Pete Scazzero In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen Let Your Life Speak by Parker Palmer New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton The Accidental President by A. J. Baime http://emotionallyhealthy.org/team http://emotionallyhealthy.org/mature

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Todd Adkins who is the Director of Lifeway Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand a new work culture, being a learner, and investing in others. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 40: “I think as leaders we need to be ready for people to not know our name.” “A big part of leadership is recognizing that your fruit often grows on other peoples trees.” “Every person in an organization should be a part of a cycle of both learning and teaching.” “As a leader, being a learner should be your #1 goal.” “In this day and age, if you are a leader and not a learner, you’ve got a pretty short shelf life.” “My biggest misconception as a young leader was that leadership placement and leadership development were the same thing.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Leadership Engine by Noel Tichy A Beautiful Constraint by Adam Morgan and Mark Barden Developing Your Leadership Pipeline by Todd Adkins

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Gene Getz who has served as a professor at Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary. He launched the Fellowship Bible Church movement in 1972. And he is the author of 60 books including The Measure of a Man and the Life Essentials Study Bible. During their conversation, they discuss the need for mentors, not viewing yourself as a professional, and how to be a lifelong learner. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 39: “I spent the first 20 years teaching people how to pastor and lead a church, and I’ve spent my last 40 years learning how to do it.” “I always want to thank God that someone comes to listen to me preach.” “I don’t want to just become a professional. I want to be a pastor and a shepherd.” “By the time I was 50, I realized how much more I needed to learn.” “I’m 88 years old, and it still scares me what I don’t know. We must always be a learner. Because there is more to know than we can ever learn in a lifetime.” “Your greatest strength is to trust people. Your greatest weakness is to trust people you shouldn’t trust.” “People are honored when they are asked for wisdom.” RESOURCES MENTIONED 5LQ Episode 422: Gene Getz Life Essentials Study Bible The Measure of a Man by Gene Getz Discipline by Grace by Jerry Bridges Team Sight (Style of Influence Personality Test)

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Eugene Cho who is the founder and former Senior Pastor of Quest Church. He is now the President-Elect of Bread for the World. He is also an author of several books including his latest Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk. During their conversation, they discuss the marathon of leadership, the pitfalls of building a platform for the wrong reasons, and Eugene’s journey as an entrepreneur. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 37: “One of the ways that you realize you are a leader isn’t just that you are leading, but that you have others following you as well.” “Leadership is not for the faint of heart.” “I believe leadership is not about perfection. It is about maturity, and one of the best ways I can define maturity is awareness.” “Are we more in love with the idea of changing the world than actually changing the world? ” “When we are talking about changing the world, it is not one, single viral moment. It is about living a trajectory of faithful obedience.” “Personal growth is always greater than platform growth.” “If you are not working on character when no one is looking, when you build an audience and people look at you, they will see no depth and substance.” “We need to be healthy spiritual beings in order to be healthy spiritual leaders.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Overrated by Eugene Cho Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk by Eugene Cho A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson Christ Plays in 10,000 Places by Eugene Peterson Eat This Book by Eugene Peterson The Contemplative Pastor by Eugene Peterson For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Derwin Gray who is a former NFL football player and the founding and lead pastor of Transformation Church in South Carolina. He is also an author of many books, including his latest The Good Life. During their conversation, they discuss how to learn from failure, how to focus on discipleship more than leadership, and how to find true happiness in Christ. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 37: “Typically where leaders fail is that we delegate tasks instead of delegating responsibility.” “The best teacher is failure.” “I thought pastoring was just getting up and preaching, but it is not. That is about 5% of what I do.” “If you don’t deal with conflict on the front end and it gets toxic, on the back end it’ll be even more expensive and many more people will be hurt.” “Leaders must step into conflict to bring about resolution, to bring about restoration, and to bring about reconciliation.” “The greater we understand the cross and Jesus making peace, the greater that we can be peacemakers.” “In the New Testament, the word leadership is used 3 times and the word disciple is used 269 times. Why don’t we talk about discipleship more?” “Leadership and discipleship are two sides of the same coin. However, you can be a leader without a disciple, but every disciple is called to be a leader.” “Oftentimes we are ambitious for power and status instead of being ambitious for Jesus.” “Happiness is not about what you are getting. Happiness about who you are becoming.”“Wouldn’t it be sad to live a life of effective ministry and be broken hearted at the end of it.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Good Life by Derwin Gray The Evangelism Linebacker Designed to Lead by Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck On Pastoring by H.B. Charles Jr. Conformed to His Image by Ken Boa Paul by N.T. Wright For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy is joined by Steve Green who is the President of Hobby Lobby, founder of the Museum of the Bible in Washington, DC, and author of many books including his latest This Beautiful Book which just recently released. During their conversation, they discuss how to build a strong organization, how to lead relationally, and how to see your business as a ministry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 36: “You lose teaching opportunities when you just do the job yourself.” “No one learns more than the teacher.” “My job is making sure I have good people and that I’m building a strong organization.” “As a leader, you don’t always have to be the expert in the room.” “My nature is more of the doer and I can miss out on relational moments.” “It really became clear to me that not only was I doing ministry at church but the business was a direct ministry.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Museum of the Bible This Beautiful Book by Steve Green Good to Great by Jim Collins Saving My Assassin by Virginia Prodan For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ken Costa who is a London-based, internationally renowned banker, author and speaker. He has been the chairman of some of the world’s largest investment banks, advisor to some of the most powerful people in the world, and is a committed Christian who believes Jesus is the hope of the world. During their conversation, they discuss how to view your work, how to understand your calling, and slow down and listen to God. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 35: “I came to realize God was really interested in what I did throughout the week, not just what I did on Sundays.” “You can’t govern the timing of God.” “If you are trying to reach the top and don’t feel called by God to do it, you are going to burn out.” “The great heritage of Christians is that we know our why.” “With COVID-19, it is as if God has said to the world, stop. Reboot, rewire, and rethink.” “You can’t just Google your why and your calling. It is a profound psychological process. We have to cut through the noise.” “The door that God opens, no one can close. And the doors that God closes, no one can open.” “For this generation, we live in a spectrum between broadband and burnout. And at the moment, we were on the verge of people veering toward burnout.” RESOURCES MENTIONED God at Work by Ken Costa Know Your Why by Ken Costa Start with Why by Simon Sinek Atomic Habits by James Clear For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Daniel Im who is the Senior Associate Pastor at Beulah Alliance Church, speaker, and author of a few books including his latest You Are What You Do. During their conversation, they discuss navigating transitions, discerning God’s call on your life, and staying focused on the little things. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 34: “We just wanted to get plugged in and be the type of volunteer I would have looked for while on staff at a church.” “When God is moving you, it is like he is a good gardener.” “I loved the number 2 role and the systems side of things.” “We need to be faithful and follow God’s ways by cultivating spiritual practices and being in community.” “Spiritual growth is a lot like sleeping. You can’t cause yourself to sleep, but you can create the conditions in which it will come.” - Richard Foster “Don’t assume every opportunity is from God. It could be a distraction.” “Instead of trying to do great things for God. Let’s just do things for a great God.” “Be faithful with the little things and the big things will come.” RESOURCES MENTIONED You Are What You Do by Daniel Im The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene Peterson Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership by Ruth Haley Barton Soul Keeping by John Ortberg For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by John Eldredge who is a counselor, a teacher, and an author of  Wild at Heart and his latest book called Get Your Life Back.  During their conversation, they discuss how to handle stress and anxiety, the importance of trust in leadership, and the importance of pausing and slowing down. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 33: “We can want to change the world. But we should enjoy our life while trying to change the world.” “Do real things.” “I don’t check my phone first thing in the morning anymore.” “The average person spends 93% of life indoors.” “We are all faking it to some degree to another.” “We are all broken. What matters is what we do with our brokenness.” “My mistake as a young leader was too much, too fast.” “God is going to do some things in your 20’s that don’t look related to your career or success. But it is shaping your character. And you’re going to want that in your 50.” “God humbles us to exalt us.” “One of the greatest costs of leadership is loneliness. Invite others into it and share the leadership.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Get Your Life Back by John Eldredge Wild at Heart by John Eldredge Captivated by Stasi and John Eldredge Victory Over the Darkness by Neil T. Anderson Smarter, Faster, Better by Charles Duhigg Destiny of the Republic by Candace Millard River of Doubt by Candace Millard Deep Work by Cal Newport  The Shallows by Nicholas Carr The Horse and His Boy by C.S. Lewis The One Minute Pause App For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.