In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Eugene Cho who is the founder and former Senior Pastor of Quest Church. He is now the President-Elect of Bread for the World. He is also an author of several books including his latest Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk. During their conversation, they discuss the marathon of leadership, the pitfalls of building a platform for the wrong reasons, and Eugene’s journey as an entrepreneur. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 37: “One of the ways that you realize you are a leader isn’t just that you are leading, but that you have others following you as well.” “Leadership is not for the faint of heart.” “I believe leadership is not about perfection. It is about maturity, and one of the best ways I can define maturity is awareness.” “Are we more in love with the idea of changing the world than actually changing the world? ” “When we are talking about changing the world, it is not one, single viral moment. It is about living a trajectory of faithful obedience.” “Personal growth is always greater than platform growth.” “If you are not working on character when no one is looking, when you build an audience and people look at you, they will see no depth and substance.” “We need to be healthy spiritual beings in order to be healthy spiritual leaders.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Overrated by Eugene Cho Thou Shalt Not Be a Jerk by Eugene Cho A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson Christ Plays in 10,000 Places by Eugene Peterson Eat This Book by Eugene Peterson The Contemplative Pastor by Eugene Peterson For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.