

The Metrics Brothers (fka SaaS Talk)
Ray Rike & Dave Kellogg
The Metrics Brothers (formerly SaaS Talk with the Metrics Brothers) is hosted by Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike. The Metrics Brothers provides unique insights, strategies, tactics and the metrics that are relevant to Native-AI and B2B software and SaaS companies.Each 20-minute episode will cover a topic critical to leading a B2B software company, and chalked full of practical advice that can be introduced and applied in most Native-AI, Agentic AI and B2B software and SaaS companies.
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Sep 21, 2023 • 27min
Net Revenue Retention
Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike continue their discussion on the importance of measuring revenue retention. This week they cover Net Revenue Retention (NRR) - a top three B2B SaaS Metric. 'During this episode they cover many aspects of how to calculate and use Net Revenue Retention including:Cohort method versus formula methodThe impact of Usage-Based Pricing on the NRR calculationNRR benchmarks using a Good, Better, Best frameworkIdeas on how to optimize and increase NRRIn addition, Dave and Ray answer three audience submitted questions - fulfilling their goal to address the questions that the B2B SaaS industry has about everything SaaS!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 14, 2023 • 26min
Klaviyo S-1 Metrics Breakdown
The hosts discuss SaaS metrics from the Klaviyo S-1, including ARR, CAC Payback Period, GRR, and NRR. They explore the nuances of SaaS metrics and the lack of a standard definition. Topics also include Klaviyo's pricing model, customer churn, ARR calculation, and the abundance of information in Klaviyo S1 documents.

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Sep 5, 2023 • 26min
Gross Revenue Retention
On this episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss Gross Revenue Retention (GRR), aka Gross Dollar Retention (GDR), and the different nuances to consider when calculating this metric.In addition, Dave and Ray discuss why this metric is important, how to calculate GRR and how to use the results to inform decision making.The Metrics brothers discuss the following nuances of calculating Gross Revenue RetentionThe definition of GRRCohort vs Formula MethodWhat to exclude and include in GRRHow is GRR impacted by Product Led Growth and/or Usage-Based Pricing environmentsHow does Churn and GRR compare...are they the same thing?GRR vs NRR - which is most important?If you love the nuances and details of SaaS Metrics - this is a thought provoking episode that highlights the nuances to consider when calculating Gross Revenue RetentionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 21, 2023 • 22min
Customer Lifetime Value - It's not that simple - SaaS Talk with the Metrics Brothers
On this episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss Customer Lifetime Value, and the different input variables required to calculate this compound, multi-variable metric.The Metrics brothers discuss the following nuances of calculating Customer Lifetime ValueThe basics - CLTV or LTVRevenue or Gross ProfitWhich number to use for churn in the formula (GRR, Logo Churn, all ARR or only available to renew ARR)Which number to use for the Average Revenue Per Account (ARPA) - new customers only or all customersIf you love the nuances and details of SaaS Metrics - this is a thought provoking episode that highlights the important of gaining alignment of the CLTV and CAC metrics in your B2B SaaS companySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 15, 2023 • 23min
Usage-Based Pricing and CAC - The calculation impact is significant
On this episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss in detail how Usage-Based Pricing (UBP) impacts the calculation of Customer Acquisition Cost and it's efficiency derivatives including CAC Ratio and CAC Payback Period.They discuss the three primary different types of Usage-Based Pricing Models including:Pure usage-based or consumption-based pricing with no minimum commitmentsMinimum commitment agreement that includes up to #x units and then overage $/unit over the minimumAnnual Subscription agreement to the platform and a $/unit of usage in addition to the annual subscriptionEach of the above models can impact what is consider Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR), Variable Recurrring Revenue (VRR) and/or pure variable revenue - and that will accordingly impact the CAC efficiency metric calculation methodology.If you love the nuances and details of SaaS Metric and how emerging GTM models impact traditional metrics calculations - this episode is for you!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Aug 1, 2023 • 24min
Product Led Growth and the impact on Customer Acquisition Cost
The Metrics Brothers discuss how Product-Led Growth (PLG) including the use of Freemiums and/or Free Trials impacts the Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) calculation. Each PLG model may have different times to value, conversion rates to paid users, different definitions of when a free user becomes a customer which all can impact the CAC calculation formula and the resultant usefulness of the metricsDuring this weeks episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss CAC Payback Period, and provide a little entertainment along the journey to using CAC Payback Period in your SaaS company.SummarySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jul 26, 2023 • 22min
CAC Payback Period
The Metrics Brothers discuss the use of Customer Acquisition Cost Payback Period (CAC Payback Period). On the surface CAC Payback Period (CPP) is easy to understand, yet in practice there are many nuances and considerations such as using Gross Margin in the CPP calculation, and if CAC Payback Period is an efficiency, risk or return metric.During this weeks episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss CAC Payback Period, and provide a little entertainment along the journey to using CAC Payback Period in your SaaS company.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Jul 18, 2023 • 28min
Advanced Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC)
The Metrics Brothers discuss advanced topics and uses of Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) and the CAC Ratio. On the surface CAC and CAC related metrics appear easy to understand, yet in practice there are many nuances, considerations and approaches to optimize the insights provided by CAC.During this weeks episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss those advanced topics, and provide a little entertainment along the journey to using CAC in your SaaS company.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Jul 11, 2023 • 24min
CAC and CAC Ratio
The Metrics Brothers discuss Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) and the CAC Ratio. The two metrics are closely related, yet are fundamentally two very different SaaS metrics. During this weeks episode, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss the value of each metric, when to use them and how to calculate each metric.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jul 4, 2023 • 23min
Pipeline Financial Return Measurements
How do B2B SaaS leaders measure the financial returns on pipeline generation? On the surface this question may seem quite simple, but one with that presents several options, especially when considering how a CFO evaluates return on investment. The Metrics Brothers, Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike dive deep into the nuances and considerations of pipeline returns on this week's episode of SaaS Talk™ with the Metrics Brothers.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.