
Elixir Wizards
Elixir Wizards is an interview-style podcast for anyone interested in functional programming and the Elixir Programming Language. Hosted by SmartLogic engineers and Elixirists Owen Bickford, Dan Ivovich, and Sundi Myint, this show features in-depth discussions with some of the brightest minds in the industry, discussing training and documentation in Phoenix LiveView, the evolution of programming languages, Erlang VM, and more.
In the current season, we're branching out from Elixir to compare notes with thought leaders and software engineers from programming languages like JavaScript, Ruby on Rails, Go, Scala, Java, and more. Each episode will take a deep dive into a topic from Machine Learning and AI, to ECS and game development, to education and community.
Learn more about how SmartLogic uses Phoenix and Elixir. (https://smartlogic.io/phoenix-and-elixir?utm_source=podcast)
Latest episodes

Oct 27, 2022 • 50min
Jason Stiebs on LiveView at RokkinCat
Today we welcome Jason Stiebs to the podcast to talk about all things LiveView and how he was originally wrong about LiveView in the beginning. Jason is the founder at Rokkincat, and a core contributor to Phoenix. Jason loves finding solutions to complex problems and mentoring young engineers. Tune in today to learn more about LiveView from today’s special guest, Jason Stiebs!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guest, Jason Stiebs
A summary of Jason’s talk at ElixirConf on why he initially was wrong about LiveView
How Jason became a Phoenix core team member
What is stopping LiveView from being 1.0
Is there something that would make LiveView ‘complete’
How to decide to use LiveView over an SPA framework
Do you know if there are any folks out there putting together tooling for LiveView? Thinking like Chrome devtools, performance monitoring, etc. What tools can we use to compare our LiveView performance to non LV performance?
What Jason's thoughts about a time traveling feature for LiveView like what React / Redux has
What some featuresare from other frameworks that Jason would like to see in LiveView one day
How often Jason sees mixed LV and non LV projects
We hear about what's next in terms of features for functional components
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Jason Stiebs on Twitter — https://twitter.com/peregrine
Jason Stiebs on GitHub — https://github.com/jeregrine
Jason Stiebs on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonstiebs/
Jason Stiebs Email Address – jason@rokkincat.com
RokkinCat — https://rokkincat.com/
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic

Oct 20, 2022 • 54min
Mark & David from Thinking Elixir on Ecto Queries
This week the Thinking Elixir Podcast is taking over Elixir Wizards! Mark & David from Thinking Elixir are here today to parse the particulars of Ecto Queries! Mark Ericksen is an Elixir Specialist at Fly.io and host of Thinking Elixir. David Bernheisel is a Senior Software Engineer at Bitfo and host of Thinking Elixir. Tune in today to learn more about Ecto Queries from today’s special guests, Mark Ericksen and David Bernheisel!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guests, Mark & David
The hosts catch up with Mark & David and learn about David’s new book Ecto In Production
Dave Lucia is mentioned once again, can we go one episode without talking about him?
Find out how long David & Mark have been working in databases
We get the breakdown of what an Ecto Query is
There is a discussion around schema migrations vs data migrations and how to avoid common pain points
Learn what resources are available for learning Ecto
We find out what the pin operator is and when it is used
What an extensive query is and how to optimize queries
We learn about fun edge cases that we’ve bumped into while working with Ecto
The ins and outs of Ecto dump and Ecto load
”Ecto is a whole wide world of information. You think you know a lot and then you realize you don't. Nope, I'm almost just as dumb as I was five years ago about SQL and Ecto. Nope, it evolves. It gets deep.” - Mark Ericksen
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Mark Ericksen on Twitter — https://twitter.com/brainlid
Mark Ericksen on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-ericksen-66397417/
David Bernheisel on Twitter – https://twitter.com/bernheisel
David Bernheisel on GitHub – https://github.com/dbernheisel
David Bernheisel on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernheisel/
Thinking Elixir Podcast https://podcast.thinkingelixir.com/
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic
Use The Index, Luke! https://use-the-index-luke.com/
Postgresql Tutorial https://www.postgresqltutorial.com/
Postgresql subqueries
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3004887/how-to-do-a-postgresql-subquery-in-select-clause-with-join-in-from-clause-like-s
https://www.w3resource.com/sql/subqueries/understanding-sql-subqueries.php
Fly Blog: Safe Ecto Migrations https://fly.io/phoenix-files/safe-ecto-migrations/
Crunchy Data Developer Tutorials https://www.crunchydata.com/developers/tutorials
Crunchy Data Postgres Tips https://www.crunchydata.com/postgres-tips
Ecto in Production https://www.ectoinproduction.com/
SQL Join Illustration https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SQLJoins.svg
SQL Join Illustration https://i.stack.imgur.com/UI25E.jpg

Oct 13, 2022 • 37min
Tyler Young on Geo Mapping at Felt
Today on Elixir Wizards we are joined by Tyler Young to explore the particulars of Geo Mapping, the process of turning data into maps. Tyler is a Senior Software Developer at Felt, the world’s first collaborative mapping tool built for anyone to make a beautiful map in minutes. Tune in today to learn more about Geo Mapping from today’s special guest, Tyler Young!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guest, Tyler Young
We discover Tyler’s background and how he started working in Elixir, as well as how he got into the map business because of his love for Elixir
We learn about GIS and its history as a system/standard/protocol, and how someone can study GIS
Find out how mapping is helpful in more ways than just for directions, including climate changes, vacation planning, and more
Tyler breaks down the common technologies and toolkits for programming with maps
The specific tools that Felt is using to ingest map data and build the interactive maps
What common problems arise when developing with maps
Tyler teaches the Elixir Wizards about his tried and true way of decision making with “The McDonald’s option”
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**Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Tyler Young on Twitter — https://twitter.com/TylerAYoung
Tyler Young on GitHub — https://github.com/s3cur3
Tyler Young on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-young-dev/
Felt — https://felt.com/about
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic

Oct 6, 2022 • 48min
Kate Rezentes on GenServers at Simplebet
Season 9 is in full swing and we are so excited to welcome Kate Rezentes today to dive into the particulars of GenServers. Kate is a Junior Software Developer at Simplebet, a B2B product development company using machine learning and real-time technology to make every moment of every sporting event a betting opportunity. Tune in today to learn more from today’s special guest, Kate Rezentes!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guest, Kate Rezentes
We learn about Kate’s background and her long history with programming
We discuss how many conferences she’s attended and why ElixirConf has been her favorite (thus far)
Find out how Kate landed a job while attending ElixirConf
How GenServers as a subject came to be
We get an inside look at Kate’s working experience at Simplebet and her experience as a Junior Engineer in the industry so far
What cases in particular cause the need for a GenServer
We discuss where GenServers would be appropriate to use and why
The ins and outs of ‘handle calls’ and ‘callbacks’
The process of testing a GenServer and data storage_
**Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:*
Kate Rezentes on Twitter — https://twitter.com/rezkate
Kate Rezentes on GitHub — https://github.com/KateRezentes
Kate Rezentes on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/kfrezent/
Simplebet — https://simplebet.io/
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic

Sep 29, 2022 • 52min
Dave Lucia on Observability at Bitfo
Welcome to our first episode of Season 9 Elixir Wizards, Parsing the Particulars. A show focused on conversations with software developers from around the world on the Elixir language and other modern web technologies. Today, we are joined by Dave Lucia, Chief Technology Officer at Bitfo, a cryptocurrency media company building educational content for people who are interested in cryptocurrency. Dave is active in the Elixir community and in the past has spoken at Code BEAM SF, ElixirConf, RabbitMQ Summit, and has written several blog posts which can be found at davelucia.com. In today’s episode we find out more about Dave’s professional background and dive into the particulars of observability. Tune in today to learn more from today’s special guest, Dave Lucia!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guest, Dave Lucia
We find out about Bitfo and what services they offer
We discuss Dave’s blog post on observability
Find out how Dave wrote the blog post because he saw a gap at his company
How Sundi proofread Dave’s blog post and realized her lack of knowledge on observability
The most common mistake teams or engineers make when it comes to observability
We peel back the layers on what telemetry is
What the difference between telemetry and OpenTelemetry is
How to choose which tool is right when it comes to better observability
*The breakdown of the uses for observability telemetry
*When and why would we use OpenTelemtry vs basic observability
*What languages Dave started in before he was working in Elixir
*How Elixir lends better for observability
*Where to start if you want to implement basic observability for someone who has no experience with it
*Dave answers the question, “can you go too far with observability?”
*We discuss Livebook and what exciting things it will bring for the future
*Most importantly, Dave explains why pineapples are important to him
**Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Dave’s blog post on Observability: https://davelucia.com/blog/observing-elixir-with-lightstep
Dave Lucia on Twitter — https://twitter.com/davydog187
Dave Lucia on GitHub — https://github.com/davydog187
Dave Lucia on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lucia-a395441b/
Bitfo — https://www.bitfo.com/
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
Links:Spotify

Sep 22, 2022 • 1min
We're baaaack! Season 9 Teaser
Hey everyone, Season 9 of Elixir Wizards is back! This season's theme is Parsing the Particulars, where we dive into particular subjects with our guests. Your returning hosts this season are Sundi, Owen and Dan! And we are excited to announce that we have a new host joining the show - Bilal Hankins! Bilal is a Software Developer at SmartLogic and is super excited to join us this season.
Some of this season's guests include Dave Lucia, CTO at Bitfo, Tyler Young, Senior Software Developer at Felt, and Kate Rezentes, Junior Developer at SimpleBet. Can't wait to see you there!
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic on Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic
SmartLogic on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/company/smartlogic-io/
SmartLogic on Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/smartlogic/
Bilal Hankins on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/hankins-bilal/
Sundi Myint on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sundimyint/
Owen Bickford on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-bickford-8b6b1523a/

Jun 29, 2022 • 38min
Looking back on Season 8 with Sundi, Owen & Dan
It’s the season finale show! Can you believe it? Join us this week as Sundi, Owen, and Dan take a look back at this season of Elixir Wizards! You’ll hear their discussion about favorite moments over the season and learn about this season’s theme and its origin, and what they learned throughout the season. Enjoy and we hope to see you back for Season 9!
Key Points From This Episode:
Reflection on the guests experiences with all different types of language
How the team landed on the theme of Elixir in a Polyglot Environment
Having expectation of guests vs how the conversation turned out
The discovery that environment influences the strength of the code that is being written
We dig deeper into the flexibility of all of these companies
How the hosts enjoyed the dream language combination answers from guests
We hear about the teams experience with their first in-person recording
Hearing about guests personal experiences and projects vs just their at-work experience
We find out what birds do when they’re excited in a tree
Flutter as a solution for building mobile applications
The hosts likes, dislikes, experience with Flutter and the difference it brings to the table
We reflect on a guest applying gamification
The hosts discuss the guests range of experience, from a year to decades in the field, and how many different perspectives were shown with different backgrounds
A recurring theme of the guests: structuring teams to fit the needs of the company - recurring theme
Hearing about products and projects guests are working on
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic on Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic
SmartLogic on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/company/smartlogic-io/
SmartLogic on Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/smartlogic/
Dan Ivovich on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/divovich/
Sundi Myint on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sundimyint/

Jun 23, 2022 • 29min
Nathan Retta on Engineering in Android at DoorDash
This week on Elixir Wizards we’re joined by Nathan Retta, Senior Software Engineer from Android at DoorDash. We learn about Nathan’s background; his experience having a degree in Chemical Engineering and working in Oil and Gas for 6 years. Nathan then wrote an Android app in 2016 and soon after became a mobile developer -- the rest is history. He is currently based in Denver, Colorado, and our host Owen has met him prior through the Denver Elixir virtual meet up.
Join us today for this conversation between Owen, Dan and Nathan as we learn about Nathan’s experience leading up to his current position at Android for DoorDash and how he is using Elixir in his side projects.

Jun 16, 2022 • 45min
Cara Mitchell on Internal In-house eCommerce
Welcome to this week’s episode of Elixir Wizards, with our special guest, Cara Mitchell of Pepsi Co. Today we speak with Cara about her career journey that led to her living in the lower East Side of New York City. Cara has been working in the software engineering field for over 20 years and currently works at PepsiCo on their in-house eCommerce platform built with Elixir. Over the years, she's worked on systems that range from embedded firmware to large distributed systems running on thousands of machines. She enjoys working in a number of programming languages and refuses to pick a favorite. Today we learn about Cara’s unique experience as a college dropout turned self-made software engineer and how PepsiCo is working in Elixir on a global scale with an inside look at the goings on at PepsiCo. Tune in today to learn more from today’s special guest, Cara Mitchell!

Jun 9, 2022 • 43min
Catalina Astengo on The Many Languages of Nav
Joining us today on Elixir Wizards is Catalina Astengo, Staff Software Engineer at Nav Inc. We chat with Catalina about how she went from working as a process engineer in a mine to a software engineer in beautiful Salt Lake City.
In today’s show we find out more about Catalina’s professional background, how and why she started taking Ruby courses while working at a mine in southern Utah, how she fell in love with Salt Lake City and what it looked like transitioning to a new profession. We learn about the ins & outs of Nav and their team roles, as well as how they keep up with all of the languages that they are using including Elixir, Ruby, Go and JS. Tune in today to learn more from today’s special guest, Catalina Astengo!
Key Points From This Episode:
A brief breakdown of today’s topic and introduction to our special guest, Catalina Astengo.
What it was like working in a small town in a mine in southern Utah
What a process engineer is and what the job title entails
What prompted the switch from process engineering to software engineering
What Nav does as a company
Catalina gives us a rundown of her professional career.
Is this the most Polyglot stack we have encountered this season!?
The ins & outs at Nav and their teams roles
How Nav uses Elixir on a daily basis
How Nav keeps up to date on all of the languages they are using
Concerns about using multiple languages on the backend
Context switching between languages
How Nav decided to use Golang and why she prefers Elixir
Where Nav is based and where they are hiring
How Catalina and her team made a home movie production of Beetlejuice
We review Elixir Conf 2020 and takeaways that Catalina had from the conference
How Nav uses GRPC
RP vs GRPC - what’s the difference?
Protobuf for validation schemes across GPS
Ways to validate event payloads by using the Graph QL
We discuss our experience with management vs. coding
Owens penguin discovery about Catalina on the Nav website
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Catalina Astengo on Twitter — https://twitter.com/catalinaastengo
Catalina Astengo on GitHub — https://github.com/castengo
Catalina Astengo on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/catalinaastengo/
Blog Post on Graph QL Schema Validation – https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/05/graphql-schema-validation/
Nav Careers — https://www.nav.com/
SmartLogic — https://smartlogic.io/
SmartLogic on Twitter — https://twitter.com/smartlogic
SmartLogic on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/company/smartlogic-io/
SmartLogic on Facebook — https://www.facebook.com/smartlogic/
Sundi Myint on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/sundimyint/