
This Old Marketing - Content Marketing News with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose
Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
Latest episodes

Jul 28, 2015 • 59min
PNR 89: Don't Build Your Content House on Rented Land
In this episode number 89, Joe and Robert discuss LinkedIn and Google news this week. LinkedIn limits your right to download contacts and, alas, Google+ is no more (we think). In other news, AOL releases some new content marketing research that may not be about content marketing and we find out that the inbound marketing economy really has nothing to do with inbound marketing. Rants and raves include a McKinsey report and deals from Univision and HBO. This week's #ThisOldMarketing example of the week: Flight Centre.
This week's story links:
LinkedIN Quietly removes option to export contacts makes users wait up to 72 Hours for their data archive
http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/23/linkedin-quietly-removes-option-to-export-contacts-makes-users-wait-up-to-72-hours-for-their-data-archive/
Google+ Is No Morehttp://venturebeat.com/2015/07/27/google-is-dropping-its-google-requirement-across-all-products-starting-with-youtube/
AOL CMO Says Content Marketing Is About Value Not Advertising
http://marketingland.com/a-cmos-view-aol-cmo-says-content-marketing-is-about-value-not-advertising-135991
The Inbound Marketing Economy - Content Marketing Jobs Abound
https://moz.com/blog/the-inbound-marketing-economy
EW Scripps Acquires Podcast Network
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ew-scripps-acquires-podcast-network-810326
This week's sponsor: Emma and the Modern Marketer's Field Guidehttp://bit.ly/myemma-field-guide.
Robert's Rave: McKinsey and Experience
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/marketing_sales/how_digital_marketing_operations_can_transform_business
Joe's Rave: Influencer Deals from Univision and HBO
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/sports/bill-simmons-to-join-hbo.html?_r=0
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/univision-youtube-mcn-hispanic-digital-creators-1201548033/
#ThisOldMarketing of the Week: Flight Centre

Jul 21, 2015 • 55min
PNR 88: Content Marketing Budgets Still the Size of Pluto
In this episode number 88 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss how more and more how-to videos are being pumped into YouTube, and what marketers need to do about it. Then the boys chat about major research surrounding trust and culture, both of which need sound content marketing strategies. To cap it all off, our trusty podcasters outline what the top 200 advertisers spent last year, and how content marketing is still such a small thing when it comes to paid media. Raves include Mark Zuckerberg and Comic-con. This week's TOM example of the week: Disney.
This week's articles include:
Demand For How-To Content on YouTube Is On The Rose
http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/demand-for-how-to-content-on-youtube-is-on-the-rise/620553
Consumer Trust Crisis: Companies Excelling in Candor Substantially Outperform the Market
https://www.bulldogreporter.com/dailydog/article/pr-biz-update/consumer-trust-crisis-companies-excelling-in-candor-substantially-out
With the Rittenhouse study paired
http://www.rittenhouserankings.com/download-the-2014-ceo-candor-survey/
Beyond The Brand: Culture Takes The Lead As Primary Driver of Long-Term Business Relationships
https://www.bulldogreporter.com/dailydog/article/pr-biz-update/beyond-the-brand-culture-takes-the-lead-as-the-primary-driver-of-long
What The Top 200 US Advertisers Are Doing To Spend Smarter
http://adage.com/article/advertising/big-spenders-facts-stats-top-200-u-s-advertisers/299270/
This week's Sponsor: Acrolinx and their Global Content Index. Download it here: http://bit.ly/acrolinx-global-index.
#ThisOldMarketing Example: A Disney Infographichttp://www.business2community.com/content-marketing/3-vintage-examples-of-content-marketing-we-can-learn-from-today-01276191

Jul 13, 2015 • 1h 6min
PNR 87: Upworthy's Big Move Combining Original Content and Data
In this episode number 87, Joe and Robert discuss the new Upworthy business model in detail, and what businesses and marketers can learn from it. In addition, the boys discuss what, when and why marketers should outsource content marketing, and follow that with a disturbing article about branded content and advertising. Rants and raves include an HBR article that truly bothered Robert, and an amazing story around the autism education movement from Joe. This week's TOM example of the week: Kraft Music Hall.
This week's story links:
How Upworthy is using data to move beyond clickbait and curationhttp://www.niemanlab.org/2015/07/how-upworthy-is-using-data-to-move-beyond-clickbait-and-curation/Who should handle your content marketinghttp://www.imediaconnection.com/content/38892.aspIt’s Just Advertising Dillweedhttp://digiday.com/brands/its-just-advertising-dillweed/Americans Are Furious With Marketershttp://www.businessesgrow.com/2015/06/30/furious-with-marketers/And the actual study:https://www.asc.upenn.edu/sites/default/files/TradeoffFallacy_1.pdfThis week's sponsor: AcrolinxCheck out their new Global Content Index Report: http://bit.ly/acrolinx-global-index.
Robert's Rant
Comparing the ROI OF Content Marketing and Native Advertisinghttps://hbr.org/2015/07/comparing-the-roi-of-content-marketing-and-native-advertising
Joe's RaveThe Forgotten History of Autism (Video)http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_silberman_the_forgotten_history_of_autism
#ThisOldMarketing example
Kraft Music Hall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Music_Hall

Jul 7, 2015 • 1h 1min
PNR 86: Inside the New York Times' Subscription Funnel
In this venerable episode number 86, Joe and Robert discuss why CNN is seeing backlash for their native advertising launch. After that, the boys explain why print is really the future of digital (stop laughing). In addition, the New York Times sees amazing results leveraging Facebook for their subscription funnel, and Manifest is the latest content marketing agency merger/launch. Rants and raves include the box office and customer service. This week's #ThisOldMarketing example: Disney and merchandising.
This week's story links:
CNN To Broadcast Corporate Propaganda As Newshttp://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.htmlThe Future Of Digital Is Printhttp://www.shweiki.com/blog/2015/07/the-future-of-digital-is-print/New York Times Finds New Subscribers On Facebookhttp://digiday.com/publishers/new-york-times-finds-new-subscribers-facebook/A New Powerhouse in Content Marketing and Experience Design: Manifesthttp://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/253230/new-powerhouse-in-content-marketing-and-experience.html
SPONSOR
Acrolinx and the Global Content Impact Index:http://bit.ly/acrolinx-global-index
RANTS AND RAVESJoe on the Power of a Series:http://time.com/3946008/jurassic-world-terminator-magic-mike-box-officce/
Robert on Customer Service:http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2015/07/02/customer-experience/
TOM Example of the Week: Disney and Merchandisinghttp://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304453304576390720637710278

Jun 30, 2015 • 1h 2min
PNR 85: Who Didn't Launch a Content Marketing Agency this Week?
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, we saw a flurry of new content-based agencies afoot, including a deal with Daily Mail/WPP/SnapChat, a new content division from the BBC, and the Washington Post launches a freelance network. CBRE launches a new content brand/mini-magazine, while the boys discuss the end, or the beginning, of what might be called television. Rants and raves include Cannes and more Cannes. This week's TOM example: Tablespoon by General Mills.
This week's story links:
Daily Mail, WPP and Snapchat to Launch Native Advertising Agencyhttp://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/23/daily-mail-wpp-snapchat-launch-native-advertising-agency
Paired With Washington Post Launching Its Own Freelance Talent Servicehttp://www.talkingnewmedia.com/2015/06/23/the-washington-post-launches-its-own-freelance-talent-service/
Paired With
BBC Launching StoryWorks In House Creative Agencyhttp://blog.customcontentcouncil.com/bbc-worldwide-launches-in-house-creative-agency-storyworks-to-bring-newsroom-values-to-content-marketing-partnerships/CBRE Extends Content Marketing Program to Online Magazinehttp://adage.com/article/btob/cbre-extends-content-marketing-program-online-magazine/299046/How Television Won The Internethttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/opinion/how-television-won-the-internet.html?ref=opinion&_r=0Today’s CMO: At the Intersection of the Brand Experience and Organizational Culturehttps://www.spencerstuart.com/research-and-insight/cmos-on-the-brand-experience-culture-matters-videoSPONSORAcrolinx Global Index Report (http://bit.ly/acrolinx-global-index)RANTS AND RAVESRobert on Cannes:http://adage.com/article/special-report-cannes-lions/grand-prix-branded-content-lions/299256/http://cannesyoupleaseshutup.tumblr.com
Joe on Content Marketing Goals via this article:http://www.businessinsider.com/money-advice-from-a-millionaire-2015-6This week's #ThisOldMarketing: Tablespoonhttp://www.tablespoon.com/abouthttp://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2012/05/16/ge-general-mills-and-sears-explain-their-success-in-content-marketing-part-1/

Jun 23, 2015 • 1h 1min
PNR 84: Content Marketing Now Definitive Industry Term
In this episode number 84 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss two major association initiatives - one in Germany and one in Asia - around content marketing. Both associations have also taken the name "content marketing", which Joe thinks is a pretty big deal. In addition, Article Bunny launches and the boys talk about new research around the practice of native advertising. And finally, Facebook changes its algorithm again...this time around TTR or total time reading. Rants and raves include a bit of politics and a lession from media business models. This week's TOM: Game Theory.
This week's story links:
The New Content Marketing Forum and Association in Asia
http://www.forum-corporate-publishing.com/index.php/de/news/item/1235-neuer-name-neue-positionierung-aus-fcp-wird-content-marketing-forum
paired with...
http://www.marketing-interactive.com/regional-content-marketing-association-acma-launches/
Article Bunny Launches
https://www.techinasia.com/articlebunny-uber-content-marketing/
Attitudes Toward Branded and Sponsored Content
http://www.digitalnewsreport.org/essays/2015/attitudes-to-advertising/
Facebook now Taking TIME into account http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/06/news-feed-fyi-taking-into-account-time-spent-on-stories/
Sponsor Content: The Role of Webinars in the Buyers' Journey:http://gotowebinar.com/CMI
RANTS/RAVES
Joe on Can Publishers Innovate a Broken Business Model?http://www.innovationexcellence.com/blog/2015/06/21/can-publishers-innovate-a-broken-business-model/
Robert on Airport Storytelling:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/17/415198926/boy-who-lost-stuffed-tiger-at-airport-finds-tiger-stayed-very-busy
This Old Marketing: Game Theoryhttps://www.youtube.com/user/MatthewPatrick13

Jun 15, 2015 • 1h 3min
PNR 83: Why Medium Is Betting on Email (and So Should You)
In this episode number 83 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss Twitter's CEO leaving the nest, and the opportunities that remain with Twitter as a broadcasting platform. After discussing digital's "third wave," the boys chat about the Brad Pitt/Netflix deal and why content marketing is in its golden age. In addition, Medium's recent announcement made Joe and Robert obsess about email all over again. Rants and raves include hating on content marketing and patience in publishing. This week's TOM example - brewingtv.com.
This week's story links:
Twitter CEO Calls It Quits:http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/11/technology/twitter-ceo-dick-costolo-quits/
The Evolution of Twitter:http://techandscience.com/techblog/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=5598
Digital's Third Wave:http://adage.com/article/digitalnext/digital-s-wave-coming-miss-ride/298923/
Netflix Distribution Deal a Game Changer:http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/netflix-distribution-deal-game-changer-article-1.2250965
Medium Budget Cuts and Changes:http://www.businessinsider.com/medium-budget-cuts-and-restructuring-2015-6?op=1
Medium Introduces Letters:https://medium.com/the-story/introducing-letters-f105abb6734f
Sponsor Content: The Role of Webinars in the Buyers' Journey:http://gotowebinar.com/CMI
RANTS/RAVES
Robert on Content Marketing Haters:http://www.cio.com/article/2934881/marketing/the-art-of-storytelling-in-the-age-of-content-marketing.html
Joe on Patience in Publishing:http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/06/09/mattress-startup-casper-launches-newsy-website.html
This Old Marketing:http://brewingtv.com/

Jun 9, 2015 • 1h
PNR 82: Honda Fails to Go the Distance
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert go in-depth into Facebook and instant articles, paired with the Apple announcement on launching a news reader platform. Honda shows us that a good idea can go wrong without a little patience, and the Onion handles sponsored content like a pro. This week's raves include creative job postings and how a 12-year-old launched a media empire. The #ThisOldMarketing example of the week: HowToCookThat.net.
This week's story links:
Facebook's Deal with Publishers:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/03/facebooks-deal-with-publishers-a-stark-reminder-of-digital-ad-gulf/
A Facebook Love Story:http://seekingalpha.com/article/3241286-facebook-content-creation-content-marketing-growthhacking-and-inbound-marketing?app=1&auth_param=3ir5v:1an949b:8afbeb89dfab16a4bf9b29b79a7e90a1&uprof=45
Apple's News App Announcement:http://www.wired.com/2015/06/apple-builds-content-business-news-app/
Honda Holds Off on Being a Media Company:http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2015/06/03/honda-pumps-the-brakes-on-trying-to-become-a-media-company/
The Onion Handles Sponsored Content:http://adage.com/article/media/onion-people-read-sponsored-content/298745/
Publishers and eCommerce:http://wwd.com/media-news/direct-internet-catalogue/magazines-ecommerce-style-lucky-10139553-10139553/
Sponsor Content: The Role of Webinars in the Buyer's Journey - http://www.gotowebinar.com/CMI
RAVESJoe on the 12-Year-Old Media Mogul:http://www.businessinsider.com/how-emerson-spartz-built-a-meme-empire-2015-6
Robert on Creative Jobs Post:http://www.tweetmyjobs.com/ghirardelli-jobs-ghirardelli-chocolate-ambassador-15655315
This Old Marketing:https://www.howtocookthat.net

Jun 1, 2015 • 59min
PNR 81: Can't Miss Content Opportunities in Mary Meeker's Trends Report
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert inadvertantly themed this rendition the "Content Inc." episode. After Joe discusses the new platform launch, the boys dig into Mary Meeker's annual trends report. Guess what? Your buyers are now millennials. And there are quite a few opportunities just right for you (yes, you!).
After a little discussion of how startups can use content marketing, Robert lays out Google's new "Phantom" update, and why content marketing and native advertising are joined but separate. Raves include Austin City Limits and Travelers Insurance. This week's TOM example of the week: Band-Aid.

May 26, 2015 • 1h 1min
PNR 80: Publisher Cuts Lead to Content Opportunities for Brands
In this episode of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the latest purchase for Content Marketing Institute, the UK-based show, Content Marketing Show. Verizon's purchase of AOL leads to discussion around what value there is in AOL's many content brands and Spotify decides to add both videos and podcasts. Then the boys rant away at two particular articles that elaborate on the problems content marketers face - leading to the idea that brands have real opportunities when publishers cut back too much. Official rant and raves include a Purina platform called Puppyhood. This week's TOM example of the week: Fresh Fork Market.