
Don't Say Content
Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:How to run effective marketing teamsHiring best-in-class marketing teamsMarketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencersTrends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and moreCreated in partnership with Share Your GeniusAn award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/
Latest episodes

May 28, 2024 • 40min
The K-Hole Echo Chamber of Marketing Lunatics aka LinkedIn These Days
For all the hype around marketing right now, very little is actually happening besides Google solidifying its dictatorship over businesses trying to use the internet for some free marketing. Nothing is free anymore it seems, except the public displays of insanity by humans on the internet. It’s basically become an adult children’s book of attempted quips gone wrong, and we love it. It’s a stage for guileless dopes fighting for fame in small, dark corners and megaphone platforms alike. This week, instead of trying to flip nothing burgers into $50 wagyu appetizers topped with fake truffle oil, we’re using the internet for the thing it’s best at: free fun. Gather round, children, it’s storytime, and all your favorite characters are here. Links from the show:Chocolate Meditation Collection: https://www.vosgeschocolate.com/products/chocolate-meditation-collectionHeike Young's Video: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/heikeyoung_if-i-talked-to-my-kids-like-some-brands-talk-ugcPost-7196524826096730112-DES-Clark Barron's post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/clarkbarron_if-i-see-another-marketing-post-on-linkedin-ugcPost-7197237317206425600-zI8xResources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

May 21, 2024 • 41min
How’s Misogyny Doing Since The Last Time We Talked About It?
Exploring the challenges women face in a male-dominated workplace, unconscious biases, and gender dynamics. Discussing the impact of misogynistic culture on mothers balancing career aspirations. Reflecting on experiences with male leaders and the importance of recognizing agency in breaking free from oppression.

May 14, 2024 • 25min
Senior Marketers Gather & Pretend Everything is OK
We had just recorded an episode about CMOs being anxious when Devin attended AudienePlus’s Golden Hour conference, where the IRL of stressed-out and disillusioned marketers was not only the prevailing topic but also the mood of attendees. This one-day event was a cathartic gathering of senior marketers eager to get their feelings out (then drink them away) amidst the golden strangeness of fake paparazzi, Lindsey Sterling’s eating disorder, and a decadent setting that didn’t quite convince any of us that everything is going to be OK—but did show us that we’re not alone. And that felt pretty good. Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

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May 9, 2024 • 56min
CRO & the Future of Marketing Strategy (with Ned MacPherson)
Ned MacPherson, the Chief Growth Officer of Power Digital, dives into the pulse of modern marketing strategy. He emphasizes that in today’s landscape, experimentation reigns supreme as brands adapt to rapid changes in consumer behavior and technology. Ned highlights the importance of authentic client communication and the balance between AI efficiency and personal touch. He also discusses building a culture of experimentation within organizations and the critical role of data-driven decisions in enhancing conversion rates and refining marketing tactics.

May 2, 2024 • 57min
Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)
Marketing is really just relationship-building at scale. But within that "scale" are activities that aren't 100% programmable. That's what a successful marketing mix looks like. But explaining that to stakeholders isn't always easy. As marketers we have to be both business strategists, human connectors and creatives. Today we're talking with Rachel Elsts Downey, founder/CEO of Share Your Genius, about the growth strategies available in tight economic climates and how no aspects of marketing are, in fact, dead.Resources: Connect with Rachel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachelelstsdowney/Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Apr 23, 2024 • 41min
CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now
It’s 5 pm, do you know how your CMO is doing? You probably do, because they are anxiously wading through the same muck wondering how they are going to deliver consistent results while the foundation of their industry and macro environment are in tumult. The average day of a CMO right involves trying to strategically plan growth when even demand gen playbooks aren’t functioning like they used to, buyers are taking longer at every stage of the journey, budgets are both reduced and less consistent QoQ, and no one wtf is going to happen with interest rates, search, AI, the election, wars, etc will impact their companies, campaigns, day-to-day lives. So yeah, CMOs are feeling it, too, and we talked to a few for this episode as a kind of group hug and reminder: You’re not alone!Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Apr 9, 2024 • 43min
What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW?
What makes a marketing function successful today? There are new trends and old playbooks, but what marketers do startups really need? And what about bigger companies? We talk structure, success, and our big dreams for what it looks like in the future. Join us as we chat through what types of marketers we see rising to the top now, and how marketing can best align and structure itself to grow into the future.Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Apr 2, 2024 • 41min
Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It
We talked about it way back in season 1. Today, what we’re interested in is: What personal brand currently does for individuals, particularly in a world where there's waning trust among institutions and executives? Personal branding is reputation. As tech moves faster, channels change more rapidly, you have to harness your reputation. Yes, even if you’re B2B. Actually, ESPECIALLY if you’re B2B. You have a personal brand, regardless if you’re activating it through social channels. Even if you don’t want to be an “influencer”, this episode is for you. Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Mar 26, 2024 • 43min
Does AI Change What We Think About Quality Content?
Ok, ok. So, we’ve all been wrapping our heads around how to use AI in our content marketing production and distribution for a bit now. It’s time we talk about it. In this episode, we dive into some bigger questions. How should you think about AI? How will it affect quality? What does AI change? And what will always remain? If you’re using AI, or if you’re too overwhelmed to even know where to start, this one’s for you. Resources: Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.dontsaycontent.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

Mar 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
Mastering Senior Leadership Dynamics at Corporate Giants with Atlassian's Ashley Faus
As you ascend to higher levels in your career, your most valuable skill becomes navigating internal politics, policy, and process. It's not just about managing up when you work for large companies, it's about managing many senior stakeholders and the dynamics they bring with them. Competency goes a long way to getting the opportunities you want, the budgets you need and support for your initiatives. We're going live with Ashley Faus, Head of Lifecycle Marketing at Atlassian, to learn her strategies for navigating the corporate maze to elevate your influence and efficacy.Connect with Ashley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyfaus/Subscribe to our newsletter: https://dontsaycontent.substack.com/Created in partnership with Share Your Genius: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/
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