
The Gray Area with Sean Illing
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.
Latest episodes

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Aug 5, 2024 • 56min
Why Orwell matters
Laura Beers, a historian at American University and author of "Orwell's Ghosts," dives into the fascinating legacy of George Orwell. She discusses the rampant misuse of the term 'Orwellian' and its implications today. Beers emphasizes Orwell's commitment to truth, the power of language, and his critiques of authority. The conversation touches on Orwell’s complex views on gender, imperialism, and how his classic works remain vital in understanding contemporary political discourse and societal challenges.

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Jul 29, 2024 • 56min
The timebomb the founding fathers left us
In this engaging discussion, Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of UC Berkeley's law school and author of "No Democracy Lasts Forever," delves into the inherent flaws of the U.S. Constitution. He highlights how compromises made by the Founding Fathers have led to systemic threats to democracy, like the Electoral College and racial inequities. Chemerinsky also critiques the Supreme Court’s evolving role and its impact on voting rights, urging for urgent electoral reforms to combat polarization and distrust in the current political climate.

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Jul 22, 2024 • 45min
Swear like a philosopher
In this engaging discussion, philosopher Rebecca Roache, a senior lecturer at Royal Holloway, University of London and author of "For F*ck’s Sake," delves into the intriguing world of swearing. She explores how context shapes the meaning of swear words and the emotional weight they carry. Roache discusses the evolution of profanity through cultural lenses and tackles stereotypes linking swearing to intelligence. Tune in for a thoughtful examination of how swearing reflects personal identity and societal norms.

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Jul 15, 2024 • 1h 2min
Taking Nietzsche seriously
In this engaging conversation, Matt McManus, a University of Michigan lecturer and Nietzsche expert, unpacks the complex legacy of Friedrich Nietzsche. They explore how Nietzsche's philosophies have been misinterpreted and their relevance in today's political landscape. McManus articulates the nuances of concepts like the 'death of God' and the potential rise of new political religions post-Enlightenment. The discussion also highlights the troubling misappropriation of Nietzsche by modern political movements and invites reflection on contemporary morality.

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Jul 8, 2024 • 47min
What India teaches us about liberalism — and its decline
Pratap Bhanu Mehta, a leading scholar on Indian democracy, shares insights into the complexities of Indian liberalism. He discusses how authoritarian tendencies under Prime Minister Modi are reshaping democracy in India. Voter attitudes are shifting as recent elections expose discontent with autocratic rule. The conversation also highlights the historical roots of liberalism in India, the rise of Hindutva nationalism, and the challenges liberals face in addressing economic inequalities and fulfilling promises.

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Jul 1, 2024 • 45min
1992: The year politics broke
John Ganz, a writer and author of "When the Clock Broke," explores how the 1990s marked a transformative era in American conservatism. He discusses the rise of radical figures like David Duke and Pat Buchanan, who shaped the Republican Party's trajectory leading to Trump. The conversation highlights the implications of rising nationalism and the left's missed opportunities during this period. Ganz also addresses current political dynamics, focusing on how identity and populism continue to influence American politics.

Jun 24, 2024 • 55min
The existential struggle of being Black
Nathalie Etoke, a professor and author of "Black Existential Freedom," dives into existentialism through the lens of the Black experience. She discusses how figures like Sartre and Camus connect to Black thinkers while navigating themes of identity and oppression. The conversation also tackles the dual narratives of Afro-pessimism and resilience, emphasizing the fight against systemic injustices. Etoke sheds light on the intricate ties between racism, power dynamics, and resource struggles in contemporary society, pushing for a deeper understanding of these critical issues.

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Jun 17, 2024 • 57min
The world after nuclear war
Annie Jacobsen, a journalist and author known for her in-depth work on nuclear warfare, discusses the shocking realities of potential nuclear conflict. She explores the devastating aftermath of a missile launch, the chilling concept of nuclear winter, and how current geopolitical tensions heighten risks. Jacobsen also examines the complexities of nuclear decision-making, highlighting the dangers of human error and political rhetoric. Her insights challenge the illusion of winnability in nuclear war and emphasize urgent global disarmament.

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Jun 10, 2024 • 55min
Gaza, Camus, and the logic of violence
Robert Zaretsky, a philosophy professor at the University of Houston, delves into Albert Camus's views on violence and morality. The conversation highlights Camus's measured stance during Algeria's war for independence and its relevance to the current Gaza conflict. Zaretsky explores the complexities of justice, the challenges of pacifism, and the tragic consequences of violent actions on innocent lives. He also discusses the cyclical nature of violence and the philosophical concept of rebellion as a means to uphold human dignity.

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Jun 3, 2024 • 54min
This is your kid on smartphones
Jonathan Haidt, a professor at NYU and author of "The Anxious Generation," dives into the profound impact of smartphones on youth mental health. He discusses the alarming rise in anxiety and depression since 2012, particularly among young girls. The conversation highlights the decline of real-world connections, emphasizing how tech fosters loneliness. Haidt advocates for delaying smartphone access for children and creating phone-free environments to enhance social interactions and emotional well-being, navigating the digital landscape with optimism for healthier futures.
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